Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lest we forget why Fiz got promoted from Assistant in Miami, to the head coach job in Memphis?
Look if up. If not, its lazy.

Yeah he road on LeBron, Wade and Bosh’s coattails. Lets not forget Pat the rat.

Riley has a decent tree of those spawned into the league.

IN the first season together Marc Gasol avg'd 19.5pts a game. Career is 15. He did not play in nba until 24 years old.
He took a miniscule .01-.03 three pt attempts. Fiz got him to take 3.4 per game in that season, he hit 38%. He has uped that to 4.6 attempts and last year hit 42% of three pts. He is 34. Has made 3 all star games. Age 27, age 30, age 32. The last: With Fiz as his coach. They made the playoffs.
The next year he butts head with Gasol, gets fired after starting 7-15. team goes 15-48.
Started the season 5-1. Conley gets hurt. Team loses 8 straight, Gasol, Two years into a max deal gets bench and freaks out. Team panics and fires Fiz.
Think in retro Fiz regrets some things? Memphis also demoted its GM. Im not going to say the team is a mess because fiz was fired, but getting rid of him did not fix their problems. Hard to say it would have been better with him. Seems like the shyt show was in play. But it started with Conley getting hurt, then a team over reacting to its young coach benching its star player in the fourth qtr during a bad stretch!

DO your homework. Martin not making you look bad, your doing it all by yourself. There are plenty of opinions not in agreement by many, but either have your facts or state them as an opinion. Then its just you looking bad, but at least you won't get called out on it as much.

Fiz worked his way to be lead assistant over 8 years in Miami. Last two as top deputy dog. He was part of a winning culture. Wade loves the guy and gives him credit for helping his longevity. Is he a good HEAD coach? I'd say its incomplete. Nurse is the first to ascent from GLeague. good for him and the raptors.
They had a nice run. He was given a very good team with a new superstar. Very ballsy move by master Ujiri!!!

I think its fair to be critical of a 17 win season. But not to the level of suggesting he get fired. I have no problem with what the knicks did last season.
But that's my opinion. Team talks about building over time and fans calling for his head after one season?

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lets just cut to the chase and fire Fizdale already and give Miller the job. No one wants to say anything about how awful a coach Fizdale is. The guy is out and out a hack.

almost to the point I can't tell the difference between you and 1248

You might be right we might be one and the same in mind. 1248 isn’t totally wrong. He makes some valid points. He likes the Knicks so he is one of us, he wants them to succeed. Some want to follow everything the Knicks do as the gospel some scrutinize them with their moves and motives. One of the goals Fizdale was hired for was making sure KP bought in. Fizdale failed that miserably. The Knicks were tanking great excuse to not teach and develop players into a system. Memphis did away with Fizdale without hesitation for what. Alienating his best player. This guy is a wall builder there is something about him that says no foreign players allowed. By end of December the fans are going to clamoring for him to be fired.

Hey if you wanna waste your time with thoughts like firing Fiz and replacing him with Miller, no one will pay attention to anything you say

Martin, why do you think Fiz is a good HEAD coach?

You just made a poor assumption.

Fiz has a lot to prove. I think it's totally asinine to think the Knicks would even think about firing him at this point in his tenure.

So you think memphis was assine for firing him after i season, and he actually had a decent 1st season..and I don't think it was all about the rif with Gasol(but it did play a role) because they traded him 13 month later

Players really like him because he's a cool dude but look at this and you have to be concern

some reasons why the griz fired him that are still red flags

Although Wallace did acknowledge that Fizdale’s relationship with Gasol “played a factor,” he intimated that there was so much more to Fizdale’s firing, which is utter nonsense.

Wallace pointed to a 14-26 record over the last 40 regular-season games to justify the team’s decision. He mentioned Fizdale’s record in close games, adding that the Grizzlies ended last year 7-14 with a different roster. An inability to consistently close out games didn’t help, he said, particularly when losing to mediocre or bad teams, because it raised legitimate concerns about game preparation.

The only thing Fiz did well is keep morale up...He fail to implement a system, a style, roles, a winning mentality, rotation, game plan, guys did not buy in to the defensive system..at least MDA, woodson and fisher had systems..

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lets just cut to the chase and fire Fizdale already and give Miller the job. No one wants to say anything about how awful a coach Fizdale is. The guy is out and out a hack.

almost to the point I can't tell the difference between you and 1248

You might be right we might be one and the same in mind. 1248 isn’t totally wrong. He makes some valid points. He likes the Knicks so he is one of us, he wants them to succeed. Some want to follow everything the Knicks do as the gospel some scrutinize them with their moves and motives. One of the goals Fizdale was hired for was making sure KP bought in. Fizdale failed that miserably. The Knicks were tanking great excuse to not teach and develop players into a system. Memphis did away with Fizdale without hesitation for what. Alienating his best player. This guy is a wall builder there is something about him that says no foreign players allowed. By end of December the fans are going to clamoring for him to be fired.

Hey if you wanna waste you time with thoughts like firing Fiz and replacing him with Miller, no one will pay attention to anything you say

There a lot of view points out there Martin it may not necessarily reflect your own.

Fiz did not coach KP. Ever. How could he "fail miserably"? How could he have alienated him?
He and Gasol butted heads. Do you think it was a Euro thing? He wanted Gasol to take more threes. Gasol compliments Fiz on making him a better player. Look it up. I posted article in last two days.
He might have an issue with Frank. Gasol went to HS in Memphis. Mudiay is Foreign. As foreign as Gasol. SO is Mario. There was no problem with Enes. Enes wanted to play. Knicks season was lost. YOu think Fiz should put Enes over the good of the team? Or you just want him gone so you can hate on a new coach?
Your entitled to an opinon, but you can't mask it fact. Then your just making shyt up. Its what 1248 does and why he gets called out.
Postscript: Gasol got traded to Toronto. Fiz learned a lesson and it makes him a better coach. Gasol took more threes. Memphis still imploded after Fiz left.

He was brought here to sooth things over with KP hence his visit to Latvia. Playing Mudiay and Hezonja who were Perry specials one year contract players. WTF was he playing them for it wasn’t for future development was it.

I’ll take a new coach thank.

I think signing them to check them out was a good idea.

The issue, as it relates to Fizdale and those two players, is about whether Fiz put them in the best position to make a case for keeping them. Did we see everything those 2 have to offer? Both had some good games, but were very inconsistent.

The fact that both Mudiay and Mario had played well below expectation prior to coming to the Knicks, means you have to give Fizdale the benefit of the doubt on those two, but let's face it, he did seem to use them irregularly and inconsistently.

I have always had a problem with Fizdale. To me a coach coaches no matter what the talent. He is in record numerous times wanting better players. A coach is suppose to coach no matter the talent level.

CleaverGreene wrote:

Vmart wrote:https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/07/david-fizdale-unnecessary-comments-to-marc-gasol-should-be-a-warning-sign-to-star-players-marc-gasol-lebron-james/amp/

I have always had a problem with Fizdale. To me a coach coaches no matter what the talent. He is in record numerous times wanting better players. A coach is suppose to coach no matter the talent level.

I had never seen this before...Actually it's a bit troubling, and makes you wonder about what went between Fizdale and Porzingis, though I figure Janis was stirring the pot a bit to make things even worse, no matter what was said between coach and star.

Had folks on UK seen this before we hired him? Did you guys see it and just dismiss it as angry Memphis whining?

David Fizdale is now the head coach of the New York Knicks and is already saying he wants LeBron James to join him. Fizdale has a good relationship with LeBron, but there should be a serious concern if any other player not named LeBron should even want to play for Fizdale.

This is a result of the way Fizdale treated Marc Gasol and the rest of the players in Memphis. According to Dan Feldman of NBC Sports, Fizdale did not care about the already established “Grit n Grind” brand, he instead wanted the vibe around the team to be about him.

Memphis was known to always be a tough out no matter the talent and when Fizdale convinced management to move on from both Zach Randolph and Tony Allen they lost that mojo.

Fizdale also appeared to rub the locker room the wrong way with his aggressive presence:

“The coach went around the locker room asking each player if he believed he could win a championship. If they lacked belief, they didn’t belong on the Grizzlies.”

The team’s best player Marc Gasol stuck up for the team telling Fizdale “No. We don’t have the right leader.” Fizdale did not sit back and take it: “I get it, you want Gregg Popovich, and I want LeBron James.”

It wasn’t just the coaching style that resulted in the player-coach rift, Ken Berger of Bleacher Report reports that Fizdale actually diminished the accompaniments of Gasol in addition:

“He literally said to Marc Gasol, ‘I know what real championships are, not that fake stuff in Europe,” … “That Euro championship stuff doesn’t cut it.’”

Telling your most notable player that his accolades are not real because they happened in the player’s native continent makes it nearly impossible to see Fizdale as a coach that is desirable to play for.

Apparently, Fizdale knows all because he won two championships, as he pointed out to Gasol because he has zero. It seems unlikely at this point that he reminded Gasol he won them as an assistant coach. However, the other players knew it: “The general feeling among the Grizzlies was that Fizdale’s two championships as an assistant coach in Miami were because of LeBron James.”

Fizdale comes across as a coach that makes his player feel unworthy of him unless they are LeBron James. And given that there are not very many LeBrons and the chances of him coming to New York are slim to none, why would anyone want to play for him?

The Knicks have always been a team that has the goal to attract star free agents, and this hire should not help those matters one bit. It is not hard to envision a scenario in which Fizdale and Kristaps Porziņģis are butting heads.

Things have been bad in New York for a long time, and this hire doesn’t seem to be the answer.

Wow I never saw this, and it's hard to say what role he had in KP's departure, but KP obviously didn't think highly of him.

I just didn't see any kind of game plan whatsoever, we played YMCA ball from day 1. Right now he is battling DON CHANEY for the worst knicks Head coach ever

knicks1248 wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Vmart wrote:https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/07/david-fizdale-unnecessary-comments-to-marc-gasol-should-be-a-warning-sign-to-star-players-marc-gasol-lebron-james/amp/

I have always had a problem with Fizdale. To me a coach coaches no matter what the talent. He is in record numerous times wanting better players. A coach is suppose to coach no matter the talent level.

I had never seen this before...Actually it's a bit troubling, and makes you wonder about what went between Fizdale and Porzingis, though I figure Janis was stirring the pot a bit to make things even worse, no matter what was said between coach and star.

Had folks on UK seen this before we hired him? Did you guys see it and just dismiss it as angry Memphis whining?

David Fizdale is now the head coach of the New York Knicks and is already saying he wants LeBron James to join him. Fizdale has a good relationship with LeBron, but there should be a serious concern if any other player not named LeBron should even want to play for Fizdale.

This is a result of the way Fizdale treated Marc Gasol and the rest of the players in Memphis. According to Dan Feldman of NBC Sports, Fizdale did not care about the already established “Grit n Grind” brand, he instead wanted the vibe around the team to be about him.

Memphis was known to always be a tough out no matter the talent and when Fizdale convinced management to move on from both Zach Randolph and Tony Allen they lost that mojo.

Fizdale also appeared to rub the locker room the wrong way with his aggressive presence:

“The coach went around the locker room asking each player if he believed he could win a championship. If they lacked belief, they didn’t belong on the Grizzlies.”

The team’s best player Marc Gasol stuck up for the team telling Fizdale “No. We don’t have the right leader.” Fizdale did not sit back and take it: “I get it, you want Gregg Popovich, and I want LeBron James.”

It wasn’t just the coaching style that resulted in the player-coach rift, Ken Berger of Bleacher Report reports that Fizdale actually diminished the accompaniments of Gasol in addition:

“He literally said to Marc Gasol, ‘I know what real championships are, not that fake stuff in Europe,” … “That Euro championship stuff doesn’t cut it.’”

Telling your most notable player that his accolades are not real because they happened in the player’s native continent makes it nearly impossible to see Fizdale as a coach that is desirable to play for.

Apparently, Fizdale knows all because he won two championships, as he pointed out to Gasol because he has zero. It seems unlikely at this point that he reminded Gasol he won them as an assistant coach. However, the other players knew it: “The general feeling among the Grizzlies was that Fizdale’s two championships as an assistant coach in Miami were because of LeBron James.”

Fizdale comes across as a coach that makes his player feel unworthy of him unless they are LeBron James. And given that there are not very many LeBrons and the chances of him coming to New York are slim to none, why would anyone want to play for him?

The Knicks have always been a team that has the goal to attract star free agents, and this hire should not help those matters one bit. It is not hard to envision a scenario in which Fizdale and Kristaps Porziņģis are butting heads.

Things have been bad in New York for a long time, and this hire doesn’t seem to be the answer.

Wow I never saw this, and it's hard to say what role he had in KP's departure, but KP obviously didn't think highly of him.

I just didn't see any kind of game plan whatsoever, we played YMCA ball from day 1. Right now he is battling DON CHANEY for the worst knicks Head coach ever

I don't need a playoff team when we have so many young players, I just want to see teamwork and player development.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lets just cut to the chase and fire Fizdale already and give Miller the job. No one wants to say anything about how awful a coach Fizdale is. The guy is out and out a hack.

almost to the point I can't tell the difference between you and 1248

You might be right we might be one and the same in mind. 1248 isn’t totally wrong. He makes some valid points. He likes the Knicks so he is one of us, he wants them to succeed. Some want to follow everything the Knicks do as the gospel some scrutinize them with their moves and motives. One of the goals Fizdale was hired for was making sure KP bought in. Fizdale failed that miserably. The Knicks were tanking great excuse to not teach and develop players into a system. Memphis did away with Fizdale without hesitation for what. Alienating his best player. This guy is a wall builder there is something about him that says no foreign players allowed. By end of December the fans are going to clamoring for him to be fired.

Hey if you wanna waste your time with thoughts like firing Fiz and replacing him with Miller, no one will pay attention to anything you say

Martin, why do you think Fiz is a good HEAD coach?

You just made a poor assumption.

Fiz has a lot to prove. I think it's totally asinine to think the Knicks would even think about firing him at this point in his tenure.

Also his plays out of timeouts were many a time executed to perfection resulting in baskets. Still, he does need better personnel to work with.
A head coach today is not just Xs and Os. If that was the case, it's also about instilling confidence and uplifting the mental makeup of the team. As bad as the team's W-L record was, how many times during the year from ALL players did you hear that Fiz is helping them? Ever get those comments universally for hornacek, woodson, isaiah thomas, derek fisher?

Vmart wrote:Lets just cut to the chase and fire Fizdale already and give Miller the job. No one wants to say anything about how awful a coach Fizdale is. The guy is out and out a hack.

If you keep churning coaches, no one will want the job. This happened to the Cleveland Browns.

I'm not saying Fizdale is the right choice, I am saying if you keep whacking guys after a season, it's unstable for the entire team and situation.

Yes, sometimes guys get clipped after just one year. But you have to really really think hard even when the coach is a real dog. It's also very very hard on young players as well.

Alex Smith with the 49ers is a test case for this situation. He got so much churn around him, it was difficult to evaluate him as a player because he had zero stability.

Be fair to Fizdale. He got a roster full of retreads and guy wanting a new contract and a broken down roster. He might very well be a suck ass coach, but you have to at least give him a 2nd year to see what happens.

Firing Fizdale now does NOT get you a better coach in return. It pretty much prevents it. Sucks I know, but this is how it works.

arkrud wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:Lets just cut to the chase and fire Fizdale already and give Miller the job. No one wants to say anything about how awful a coach Fizdale is. The guy is out and out a hack.

If you keep churning coaches, no one will want the job. This happened to the Cleveland Browns.

I'm not saying Fizdale is the right choice, I am saying if you keep whacking guys after a season, it's unstable for the entire team and situation.

Yes, sometimes guys get clipped after just one year. But you have to really really think hard even when the coach is a real dog. It's also very very hard on young players as well.

Alex Smith with the 49ers is a test case for this situation. He got so much churn around him, it was difficult to evaluate him as a player because he had zero stability.

Be fair to Fizdale. He got a roster full of retreads and guy wanting a new contract and a broken down roster. He might very well be a suck ass coach, but you have to at least give him a 2nd year to see what happens.

Firing Fizdale now does NOT get you a better coach in return. It pretty much prevents it. Sucks I know, but this is how it works.

Vmart just get some thought stuck in his head and it cycling endlessly.
This happened when live sucks for reasons uncontrollable by you.
So man need to find some explanation and put a blame on somebody.
Team will start doing good and all will be forgotten...

Your absolutely correct. The thought of firing Fizdale is stuck in my head. You probably own a business Arkrud and I have owned businesses in my lifetime and the hardest thing to do is to fire someone. Because they have no guaranteed contracts. Here I am nothing to lose asking for Fizdale’s firing. I am not saying fire him for the sake of firing him. I’m firing him because of his negligence. There is a lot to be desired. You can’t hide behind the skirt of tanking and not teach and implement a system.

You don’t go around throwing what you have under the bus asking for better players Fizdale has done this numerous times. He is looking for a gift that Miami got through free agency to make him look good. What would really look good is if he could get these young players to play as a team. At no point during last season did anyone feel this team was coming together. What some Knicks fans are doing is allowing the tank to justify Fizdale’s incompetence as a coach.

I’m going to put this down right now. By January most everyone will be clamoring for him to be fired. Even if the Knicks sign top tier free agents.