Also....KD wanted to come to NY to be loved...going to the Nets will make him hated in NY....Knicks fans are not becoming Nets fans...

People are acting like they are building the SPurs East across the river...i heard folks making the case for Kyrie to the Nets because there will be less pressure...but everyone that grew up in tri-state area knows Knicks are the "City"'s team....

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1136731760887308288

Uh oh, means they likely will sign two max cats and must be confident (otherwise why include 2 firsts).

So looks like Kyrie is definitely signing with them. Hope the other one is Tobias Harris and not KD. Should hopefully take them out of the AD stakes though (earliest 1st round pick they could trade would be 2022)

with 46 mill, how will you sign 2 guys maxing out at 32 mill per..

so the rumors to NY are BS but the rumors to the Nets are valid coming from the same outlet...ok

They free up 2 max slots by renouncing D’Angelo. If they don’t renounce him then they only have $46mil.

Why would they trade two firsts this close to free agency unless they know they can sign two max players? Kyrie is signing with him- look at the timings, he was even out in the same club as a bunch of nets players last night, has posted a vid about returning home, and all his people have said he’s signing with the nets

You're the Nets, your PG just had an all-star, breakout season. He's younger, less wear and tear than Irving, a willing passer. Nets can match any offer on Russell. Why would you max out Kyrie, and cut Russell? Doubt that Durant has given the Nets a guarantee at this point.

My guess is that if Irving is a lock for the Nets, they are going to try to run a backcourt of Russell/Irving, with Irving playing off the ball, so it doesnt turn out like it did in Boston, or Houston even.

Have hard time believing Nets would give up on a young All-Star PG who is just starting to show what he can do.

You give up on Russell if KD say he will sign and wants to play with Kyrie.

Dont believe Durant has made any promises to the Nets. If thats the ultimatum though, I hope the Nets go for it. Better them than us. Id rather see the Knicks max out Russell, if its a choice between the two.

If the goal is to position yourself to have a chance to win a 'chip, we sign Durant. If the goal to be relevant again, and just compete to make the playoffs, we sign Russell.

I like Russell, in fact, he was the player I wanted the most in the draft until we slid to 4 and took KP. This year, Russell showed the potential that I knew he had which is why I wanted him. If the Nyets land KD and Kyrie, I wouldn't mind signing Russ, but no way am I saying I would rather have him over KD!

I'm delighted that Irving is going to the Nets. I prefer Russell, Rubio, or Rozier as well.

My other concern is that Durant and GS are hiding the extent of Durant's injury. WE have ALL been down the road of a star whose health has left the building.

KLeonard should be the #1 stretch FA signing. Durant only if there's a serious physical clearing him of an achille's heel issue.

fwk00 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1136731760887308288

Uh oh, means they likely will sign two max cats and must be confident (otherwise why include 2 firsts).

So looks like Kyrie is definitely signing with them. Hope the other one is Tobias Harris and not KD. Should hopefully take them out of the AD stakes though (earliest 1st round pick they could trade would be 2022)

with 46 mill, how will you sign 2 guys maxing out at 32 mill per..

so the rumors to NY are BS but the rumors to the Nets are valid coming from the same outlet...ok

They free up 2 max slots by renouncing D’Angelo. If they don’t renounce him then they only have $46mil.

Why would they trade two firsts this close to free agency unless they know they can sign two max players? Kyrie is signing with him- look at the timings, he was even out in the same club as a bunch of nets players last night, has posted a vid about returning home, and all his people have said he’s signing with the nets

You're the Nets, your PG just had an all-star, breakout season. He's younger, less wear and tear than Irving, a willing passer. Nets can match any offer on Russell. Why would you max out Kyrie, and cut Russell? Doubt that Durant has given the Nets a guarantee at this point.

My guess is that if Irving is a lock for the Nets, they are going to try to run a backcourt of Russell/Irving, with Irving playing off the ball, so it doesnt turn out like it did in Boston, or Houston even.

Have hard time believing Nets would give up on a young All-Star PG who is just starting to show what he can do.

You give up on Russell if KD say he will sign and wants to play with Kyrie.

Dont believe Durant has made any promises to the Nets. If thats the ultimatum though, I hope the Nets go for it. Better them than us. Id rather see the Knicks max out Russell, if its a choice between the two.

If the goal is to position yourself to have a chance to win a 'chip, we sign Durant. If the goal to be relevant again, and just compete to make the playoffs, we sign Russell.

I like Russell, in fact, he was the player I wanted the most in the draft until we slid to 4 and took KP. This year, Russell showed the potential that I knew he had which is why I wanted him. If the Nyets land KD and Kyrie, I wouldn't mind signing Russ, but no way am I saying I would rather have him over KD!

I'm delighted that Irving is going to the Nets. I prefer Russell, Rubio, or Rozier as well.

My other concern is that Durant and GS are hiding the extent of Durant's injury. WE have ALL been down the road of a star whose health has left the building.

KLeonard should be the #1 stretch FA signing. Durant only if there's a serious physical clearing him of an achille's heel issue.

Kyrie and KD were thought to possibly be a package deal...my concern with Kyrie going to Brooklyn is he may bring KD with him!!! No way can I see Durant coming here by himself...

Uptown wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1136731760887308288

Uh oh, means they likely will sign two max cats and must be confident (otherwise why include 2 firsts).

So looks like Kyrie is definitely signing with them. Hope the other one is Tobias Harris and not KD. Should hopefully take them out of the AD stakes though (earliest 1st round pick they could trade would be 2022)

with 46 mill, how will you sign 2 guys maxing out at 32 mill per..

so the rumors to NY are BS but the rumors to the Nets are valid coming from the same outlet...ok

They free up 2 max slots by renouncing D’Angelo. If they don’t renounce him then they only have $46mil.

Why would they trade two firsts this close to free agency unless they know they can sign two max players? Kyrie is signing with him- look at the timings, he was even out in the same club as a bunch of nets players last night, has posted a vid about returning home, and all his people have said he’s signing with the nets

You're the Nets, your PG just had an all-star, breakout season. He's younger, less wear and tear than Irving, a willing passer. Nets can match any offer on Russell. Why would you max out Kyrie, and cut Russell? Doubt that Durant has given the Nets a guarantee at this point.

My guess is that if Irving is a lock for the Nets, they are going to try to run a backcourt of Russell/Irving, with Irving playing off the ball, so it doesnt turn out like it did in Boston, or Houston even.

Have hard time believing Nets would give up on a young All-Star PG who is just starting to show what he can do.

You give up on Russell if KD say he will sign and wants to play with Kyrie.

Dont believe Durant has made any promises to the Nets. If thats the ultimatum though, I hope the Nets go for it. Better them than us. Id rather see the Knicks max out Russell, if its a choice between the two.

If the goal is to position yourself to have a chance to win a 'chip, we sign Durant. If the goal to be relevant again, and just compete to make the playoffs, we sign Russell.

I like Russell, in fact, he was the player I wanted the most in the draft until we slid to 4 and took KP. This year, Russell showed the potential that I knew he had which is why I wanted him. If the Nyets land KD and Kyrie, I wouldn't mind signing Russ, but no way am I saying I would rather have him over KD!

I'm delighted that Irving is going to the Nets. I prefer Russell, Rubio, or Rozier as well.

My other concern is that Durant and GS are hiding the extent of Durant's injury. WE have ALL been down the road of a star whose health has left the building.

KLeonard should be the #1 stretch FA signing. Durant only if there's a serious physical clearing him of an achille's heel issue.

Kyrie and KD were thought to possibly be a package deal...my concern with Kyrie going to Brooklyn is he may bring KD with him!!! No way can I see Durant coming here by himself...

kyrie needs kd. kd doesn't need kyrie. if you're an nba player who would you rather play with? the guy steph, klay, and draymond need or the guy who wanted his own team and quit on them? i'm sure durant will have players wanting to play with him if he's going to sign with the knicks.

Russell, Levert, Prince, Harris, Allen, Dinwidde, Harris is a strong strong young core. With money left over.

wargames wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Everyone is also glossing over the fact they got Taurean Prince as well. Who has a loads of potential. Even if they kept Russell and signed Tobias Harris.

Russell, Levert, Prince, Harris, Allen, Dinwidde, Harris is a strong strong young core. With money left over.

That is true.....

agreed

I actually think the deal was good for both teams and a sign that their FOs have realistic plans. Nets got an athletic wing; Atlanta got a shooter. Nets are positioned for a "now" move; Atlanta is getting assets for future as their two best players are very young. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them pair Russel and Kyrie as some have suggested above

I don't know why everyone is assuming KD to the Nets. For certain KD is not feeling he needs to follow Kyrie someplace -- he'll make his own decision

Personally if Kyrie goes to the nets i won't cry and I'll be a little relieved. His best moments were with Lebron. Pre-Lebron meh; post Lebron is filled with question marks. He has unbelievable flashes but the Celts performed better in the playoffs without him. On top of that you'll pay max money for a player who is probably only going to play 60 games (that's a big issue to me)

I also worry about KD. Super talent no doubt. But we're betting a lot of money that his game will continue for 4 years?!? It could happen but i think any honest assessment will suggest that's unlikely

smackeddog wrote:See this is a perfect example of the complete preferential coverage the Nets get vs the Knicks:

In addition to Irving, we know this summer's free-agent class is stacked. We know Durant and Irving have been linked as potential partners with the Knicks. Why not form the same partnership across town with a better supporting cast in place? What about, say, Kawhi Leonard? Jimmy Butler? Klay Thompson? Kemba Walker? We'll talk about this in a bit, but there may even be a way to put together an attractive enough package to get into the Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

Even if you look at this deal independent of Brooklyn eventually hooking a couple big fish, it's still a good trade. Prince is a useful player. He can get a little tunnel-visioned as a scorer, but he's long and athletic, he can defend and he can certainly create offense. Getting off Crabbe's money was the win. Getting a good player on a team-friendly deal with an additional unprotected draft pick is pure gravy. The Nets really nailed this.

And now they become a major player this summer. Again, they were already in the mix, but with this additional space and the culture they've built there, not to mention the team itself, this is a very attractive destination. As opposed to a guy like Irving, or any other big free agent, choosing, say, the Knicks, who have nothing to offer except the allure of New York City and whatever new pieces the can add, the Nets, also in New York, already have something good going.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-reportedly-serious-about-joining-nets-who-can-now-offer-irving-cap-space-for-a-super-friend/

How come when we trade KP for space and get picks its dependent on if we sign any big FAs, but when the nets send OUT 2 first rounders to move an expiring, it's a great deal regardless as to if they sign any big FA's?! And why does that brain dead writer think they've got an unprotect first?! Why is Kyrie now god with no question marks? Why is there zero critical coverage as whether it's a good idea to get rid of Russell and replace him with Kyrie?

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:See this is a perfect example of the complete preferential coverage the Nets get vs the Knicks:

In addition to Irving, we know this summer's free-agent class is stacked. We know Durant and Irving have been linked as potential partners with the Knicks. Why not form the same partnership across town with a better supporting cast in place? What about, say, Kawhi Leonard? Jimmy Butler? Klay Thompson? Kemba Walker? We'll talk about this in a bit, but there may even be a way to put together an attractive enough package to get into the Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

Even if you look at this deal independent of Brooklyn eventually hooking a couple big fish, it's still a good trade. Prince is a useful player. He can get a little tunnel-visioned as a scorer, but he's long and athletic, he can defend and he can certainly create offense. Getting off Crabbe's money was the win. Getting a good player on a team-friendly deal with an additional unprotected draft pick is pure gravy. The Nets really nailed this.

And now they become a major player this summer. Again, they were already in the mix, but with this additional space and the culture they've built there, not to mention the team itself, this is a very attractive destination. As opposed to a guy like Irving, or any other big free agent, choosing, say, the Knicks, who have nothing to offer except the allure of New York City and whatever new pieces the can add, the Nets, also in New York, already have something good going.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-reportedly-serious-about-joining-nets-who-can-now-offer-irving-cap-space-for-a-super-friend/

How come when we trade KP for space and get picks its dependent on if we sign any big FAs, but when the nets send OUT 2 first rounders to move an expiring, it's a great deal regardless as to if they sign any big FA's?! And why does that brain dead writer think they've got an unprotect first?! Why is Kyrie now god with no question marks? Why is there zero critical coverage as whether it's a good idea to get rid of Russell and replace him with Kyrie?

Also, it took two firsts two move Crabbe with one year left on his deal. What would it take to move Tim with two years left and Lee in this market? The Knicks got off two bad salaries, got two first round picks, and DSJ and DJ. No one in the media has mentioned that the Hawks wanted to move Prince because they were not planning on resigning him after this year.

we gave up a bona fide All star to get rid of THJ and Lee, and those guys are still very useful players. I wish I knew the other deals that were on the table for KP.