knicks1248 wrote:

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Kemet wrote:

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Kemet wrote:

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Vmart wrote:

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Kemet wrote:Truth be said .. I would like to keep all our young guards, especially Trier Frank Dotson DSJr, and Akeem (No Mudiay) however, I would like for each of our guards to be thoroughly Coached by Mark Jackson this upcoming season to see the best performance each guard has to offer given a winning system to perform at. Something our current head coach Fizdale showed to be clueless of in Memphis and NYC.

I agree with you. Get rid of Fizz get Jackson in here ASAP. I’m not even a fan of his but I know he is better than Fizz.

So then why Jackson?

He took three player not draft top and developed their game to a point where it perpetrated winning. So why not get Jackson back to develop Barrett, Smith, Frank, Knox and MR. he is proven.

Jackson favored an ISO heavy offense in GS, isnt that what we are trying to avoid?

From 2011 to 2013, Mark Jackson and complimentary player David Lee cured all the ISO performance out of Curry Klay Bogut and Green, making them perform at a high-level of team-ball chemistry, by having the defense on the same-page every time the lineup went on a run. Curry and Klay will tell u today that Mark Jackson is a Great Head-Coach!
Mark Jackson got a long well with the coaching staff and the players .. he did not get a long so well with any of GS front-office. That's why GS Warriors hired Kerr as the GM/Coach.

Saw this panel on espn with Doc Rivers. Was talking about GS. Said that the first thing Kerr did was to no longer let Curry dominate the ball. Rivers said that Curry touched the ball 55 percent less that first year, and they won a title.

Didnt need to hear that stat to know that the ball moved a lot more after Jackson left. Was popular with players, not with his assistants, mgmt. Vacancies open up all the time and Jackson doesnt look like he is getting interviewed. Believe what happened in GS scared teams off.

Mark Jackson first season coaching GS, he had Curry passing the ball to make Ellis and Lee the top scorers for GS. The 2nd year of Mark's coaching was when Curry lead the team in scoring.

None of what you said refutes the fact that the ball moved more after Jackson left, which was instrumental in GS winning a ring.

Fizdale is the opposite of Mark, can't coach, but gets along with everybody

The only thing he did was Keep morale High, and that's little scary knowing he got guys to accept losing.

Trier didn't get drafted despite his talent, he has me me attitude and and tries to prove himself with highlight losing plays.

I do think he can change that around with the right coach and vets...It's a reason the locker room was split on him

Some context might help here. Jackson didnt have his star, starters, traded early in the season. Wasnt encouraged to develop players instead of focusing on Ws. Really dont understand your rush to bring in yet another coach. You saw mgmt wipe the roster clean of its most productive players, yet you're insisting Fizdale be compared to a coach with a stacked playoff team. I just dont get it.

Dont know if Fizdale is going to start winning games next season, help the young players get to the next level. Do know its wildly unrealistic to have expected him to be competitive with a gutted roster (gutted during the season), and a mandate to develop players and lose games for Zion. Thats horrible boss kind of stuff.

Also, has was mentioned by some, he is a close friend of Durant. Give Durant what he wants!!!

jskinny35 wrote:Trier has a lot of offensive firepower and def exceeded expectations as a rookie. That said, I can't get past his lousy body language, looking off Hardaway Jr and being a gunner in his rookie season. He also seems not well liked by some of his teammates (maybe bad for team chemistry)? With everyone talking about dumping Frank and maybe DSJr - should we consider moving Trier instead? Know he's friends with KD but he just seems worse then Knox and DSJr as far as being a ball stopper and not a great teammate. The good thing is he has some value as he was a surprise last season. Just want guys that are unselfish and team oriented - he seems like a bit of a knucklehead. Can we resign and then trade him this offseason? What do you think we could get for him if we did move him?

I'm also not as big a Trier fan as many Knicks fans have become but i don't really think he has all that much trade value as of now. The only thing he showed is that he can be ISO Zo and i just don't think there's much value in that, at least not enough to just keep for one more season to see if he can improve his game in other areas and play well with others which it seems he didn't do all that good a job of last year. If we could get a late first round pick for him i'd jump all over it though.

Sambakick wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:So you want Trier to stay if Mark Jackson comes aboard? While I'm not sure how Fiz actually is as a coach (since last year seemed like JV warm-ups), I would not want Mark Jackson for the same reason I wouldn't want Jason Kidd. I think his ego and inability to work with others is his downfall. Can't disagree with you on his motivating tactics, success at GS, and he was a heady point guard for us. Just don't trust him as he (and Kidd) always seem to positioning themselves for their own best interests. I want a selfless strong leader, especially with all these young guys. I think Mark would do well for a year or two and then something will go wrong. Past history suggests he'll have another off the court scandal or have conflict with other coaches or management or ownership... we don't need any more of that - we already survived the Isiah GM years

Fizdale appears open minded to me. Jackson and Kidd .... maybe because they were such good/smart point guards and learned under famous coaches - think they know everything about the game. Maybe they do.... but the attitude of "I'm the smartest guy in the room you should listen to me" can be counter-productive. Would Draymond Green still be a Warrior if he had to butt heads with Mark Jackson instead of Steve Kerr?

Would Dray be the player he is if Mark didn't give him minutes to develop early in is career. No one ever expected Dray to stick in the league. I'm not high on Mark or Kidd as coaches, but they have shown a willingness to develop and play their young coaches. Their X&Os leave a lot to be desired. Kerr took a team that wasn't considered a serious contender under Jackson and turned them into champions. Fair or not, that's a bad look for Mark.

Mark Jax first year with young players he gave minutes to develop they won just 23 games.
We tend to think “Jax won 55 games and did wonders with young guys.....”. It did not happen in one season.

Vmart wrote:He averaged 18 a game last year and this before trade to Sac. His shooting was down but went back up when he went to Sacramento.

I think the expectation based on his salary tainted him. He got that Marvin Williams thing going. Good ballplayer paid like a star but did not develop.