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4/2/2019  5:38 PM
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

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4/2/2019  5:45 PM
Cartman718 wrote:I really doubt we will use it on lower tier players @vmart
Perry is too smart for that. Either he hits a home run in draft AND FA or he continues to rebuild through draft alone
I agree with this. Also, Windhorst has a new pod out, ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ where they revisit the KP trade. Bontempts talks about how he heard from gums that the Knicks were going to need to give up 3 first rounders just to move Tim. There is a brief discussion about KP’s situation in regards to what needs to be disclosed in a situation like his and the severity of Tim ‘s injury. Windhorst stayed again that he thought the Knicks did great and did not understand the criticism they received at the Tim of the trade.
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4/2/2019  7:20 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.

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4/2/2019  7:27 PM
dacash wrote:Spending all that money on only kd and kyrie, would the the only home run we could make?
would kawai who could get 30-32 , dj,who could get 9-11, a pg like rubio 20 or kemba 25 and trade a few of the young guys for beal ; like dsj, frankie heck knox any one but mitch
even at the higher scale that would still leave a good amt for a bench to go with them.?

20 million for Rubio would be an awful, awful move
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4/2/2019  9:57 PM
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Vmart wrote:The way I see it going down. The Knicks will not land a top FA. Once again they will be using the cash on lower tier players.

This is what my gut is telling me as well (although I would not be surprised if they DO land K.Irving but that's it).

I wouldn't be surprised if they target J.Randle or T.Harris and try to land one of them, if not, both.

I think there are going to be a lot of surprises during free agency but none involving the Knicks (or Lakers). I have a feeling Durant will head to the Clippers and Leonard stays in Toronto. I would be surprised if Kemba leaves Charlotte.

I do seeing the Knicks going "all in" on trying to acquire A.Davis if they strike out on Durant.

AD would be the worst move. Gutting the entire roster for 1 guy would be a huge mistake. Im fine with cap space but no way am I trading 3 first round picks Mitch,Knox and Dotson or something crazy like that.

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4/2/2019  10:02 PM
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dacash wrote:Spending all that money on only kd and kyrie, would the the only home run we could make?
would kawai who could get 30-32 , dj,who could get 9-11, a pg like rubio 20 or kemba 25 and trade a few of the young guys for beal ; like dsj, frankie heck knox any one but mitch
even at the higher scale that would still leave a good amt for a bench to go with them.?

20 million for Rubio would be an awful, awful move

Why, I think he made like 14-15 his last paycheck and did well is a good passing defending PG, like how we envision Frank but actually kinda proven

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4/2/2019  11:33 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Vmart wrote:The way I see it going down. The Knicks will not land a top FA. Once again they will be using the cash on lower tier players.

This is what my gut is telling me as well (although I would not be surprised if they DO land K.Irving but that's it).

I wouldn't be surprised if they target J.Randle or T.Harris and try to land one of them, if not, both.

I think there are going to be a lot of surprises during free agency but none involving the Knicks (or Lakers). I have a feeling Durant will head to the Clippers and Leonard stays in Toronto. I would be surprised if Kemba leaves Charlotte.

I do seeing the Knicks going "all in" on trying to acquire A.Davis if they strike out on Durant.

AD would be the worst move. Gutting the entire roster for 1 guy would be a huge mistake. Im fine with cap space but no way am I trading 3 first round picks Mitch,Knox and Dotson or something crazy like that.

I agree with you about being hesitant including Mitch in an AD trade. But I'm not letting Knox, Dotson or anyone else dissuade me from making a move for Davis. The thing is, no move gets made unless we include Mitch or Zion. I'd rather keep Mitch, but probably move him if AD is on the table. Same if we're lucky to get Zion. AD is really good man lol I know, youth movement, homegrown talent, yadda yadda yadda... They're all assets at the end of the day. If cashing them all in means KD, Kyrie and AD, then we gotta cash them in.

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4/3/2019  12:07 AM
Hilarious to me people question signing Durant. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't sign Durant if they had the cap space and he was willing to play for them. He is to old for the laughing stock Knicks.
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No we don't need to. We can keep the cap space to take on contracts in exchange for draft picks or other assets. There's no shortcuts in this league. Perry seems patient, I hope he continues that pattern.
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4/3/2019  5:10 AM
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Jmpasq wrote:
dacash wrote:Spending all that money on only kd and kyrie, would the the only home run we could make?
would kawai who could get 30-32 , dj,who could get 9-11, a pg like rubio 20 or kemba 25 and trade a few of the young guys for beal ; like dsj, frankie heck knox any one but mitch
even at the higher scale that would still leave a good amt for a bench to go with them.?

20 million for Rubio would be an awful, awful move

Why, I think he made like 14-15 his last paycheck and did well is a good passing defending PG, like how we envision Frank but actually kinda proven

If we gave Rubio 3 years 60 million we would immediatly be looking to dump the contract. If the choice is No one or giving Rubio 20 million I would choose no one. That would be the same move every Knick GM the last 20 years has made. I feel like there should be 2 options either we sign stars or stay the course and use our cap space to take on bad contracts and try again in 2 years.

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4/3/2019  8:43 AM
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jrodmc wrote:Agree with Cartman; Perry should target Durant or AD or just save the money.

Would love Kawai's D, but he's a headcase.
Everyone else is close to being a defensive liability, which Mitch is not going to be able to cover for. He can't block everyone.

Rubio? He probably couldn't guard most of the posters on this site. Okay, maybe that's a bit overboard, but...


Rubio is one of the better defensive guards in the league.

My bad; I remember reading a few articles over the years that dragged his off ball defense through the mud.

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4/3/2019  9:12 AM
why is this a topic? if durant and kyrie want to come here you get them. i love knick fans that see a team with cap space and all of a sudden they feel the organization should pick and choose as if they won multiple championships in the last decade. stop the nonsense. they can sign those two and still develop young players especially if they were able to draft zion to go along with robinson, dot, trier, dennis smith, knox. this is simple.
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4/3/2019  9:22 AM
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Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.


yea... where there is no reason to be convinced he IS coming, there are plenty of reasons for him to come. PLENTY
1) he wants to be paid, Knicks can do that
2) he wants his own team, Knicks can give him that
3) he will have choices in his supporting cast as Knicks can sign another max guy or spread it a bit between a couple guys (Middleton/Rubio/DJordan come to mind)
4) his business is based in NY, as is his partner. He has strong logistical reasons for coming
5) East is wide open with there are no powerhouse teams. Very possible Knicks are best team with KD+ other FAs + lottery pick etc
6) NY has been historically bad and he would be loved (as he feels he isnt now) for coming here

I mean people who think this has no chance of happening just havent been following along. Is it? We'll see, but I would guess Knicks have a very strong chance. If he stays in GS he will have to do more with less every year. They have no young talent, no up and coming guys. Knicks will have a roster they can add some vet guys, they already have some good young players and should be adding another. This is not a Lebron goes to Lakers, but Vmart is so salty he brews his coffee with brine so whatever

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4/3/2019  9:55 AM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.


yea... where there is no reason to be convinced he IS coming, there are plenty of reasons for him to come. PLENTY
1) he wants to be paid, Knicks can do that
2) he wants his own team, Knicks can give him that
3) he will have choices in his supporting cast as Knicks can sign another max guy or spread it a bit between a couple guys (Middleton/Rubio/DJordan come to mind)
4) his business is based in NY, as is his partner. He has strong logistical reasons for coming
5) East is wide open with there are no powerhouse teams. Very possible Knicks are best team with KD+ other FAs + lottery pick etc
6) NY has been historically bad and he would be loved (as he feels he isnt now) for coming here

I mean people who think this has no chance of happening just havent been following along. Is it? We'll see, but I would guess Knicks have a very strong chance. If he stays in GS he will have to do more with less every year. They have no young talent, no up and coming guys. Knicks will have a roster they can add some vet guys, they already have some good young players and should be adding another. This is not a Lebron goes to Lakers, but Vmart is so salty he brews his coffee with brine so whatever

earlier in the year I thought we were competitive, and adding KD and KP, we'd be winning games, and at least 500.

Now, I don't know what this roster looks like if we add KD & some other max player. Is there any depth? A lot is riding on our draft standing - pick first, and Zion sure seems like a legit franchise changing talent.

If we're picking 5, how are Knox and Frank doing?

I'm kinda getting tired of the annual roster redo.

We'll see.

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4/3/2019  11:12 AM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.

I’m sorry close friends and all that doesn’t really fly. DeAndre, CP3 and Griffin were close friends but they separated. I’m sure Westbrook and Durant are friends but they separated. Wade and LeBron are friends but it didn’t stop LeBron from returning to Cleveland. LeBron is from Cleveland and it didn’t stop him from leaving twice. The friendship angle is a very weak angle. Put it this way LeBron teamed up with Wade and Bosh for a chip more than friendship. And LeBron returned to Cleveland for a Chip because they had amassed enough assets to make a run. Friendship is only strong if winning is already in place. Ivy doesn’t even play and DeAndre is a FA himself so where is this going?

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4/3/2019  11:46 AM
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.

I’m sorry close friends and all that doesn’t really fly. DeAndre, CP3 and Griffin were close friends but they separated. I’m sure Westbrook and Durant are friends but they separated. Wade and LeBron are friends but it didn’t stop LeBron from returning to Cleveland. LeBron is from Cleveland and it didn’t stop him from leaving twice. The friendship angle is a very weak angle. Put it this way LeBron teamed up with Wade and Bosh for a chip more than friendship. And LeBron returned to Cleveland for a Chip because they had amassed enough assets to make a run. Friendship is only strong if winning is already in place. Ivy doesn’t even play and DeAndre is a FA himself so where is this going?


Winning and friendships were not involved in Lebron’s move to LA, it was business and lifestyle. I think Martin referenced Lebron going to LA. There are reports of Durant moving business interests to ny, his agent reportedly would love a job in the front office, and Durant has a good relationship with Perry. The ability to pick a star teammate might help as well.
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4/3/2019  1:03 PM
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Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:we sign whoever KD wants us to sign

While agree with you. You would first have to get KD on board. How do you plan on doing so when other teams will have room for him as well. Are the Knicks gonna sell the team or NYC. Honestly they both leave a lot to be desired. Knicks suck and NYC isn’t really a destination the top tier FAs covet, probably more to do with the mob mentality of the media.

There has been a ton of reporting on how assistant coach Royal Ivey is a best friend of Durant. Lots of reporting on Durant's business interests, all centered in NYC (want to say Durant's business partner also has ties to either the Knicks or NYC).

Room for 2 free max agents and (hopefully) a top pick; pick your team Durant...

DeAndre Jordan happens to be a close friend of Durant's too.

None of the above could matter, all of it could matter, all of it could be coincidental, none of it could be coincidental.

Just feels like the same vibe of LeBron to LA; reports around the league (scouts, GM's etc) say the same.

Feel like the Knicks were high-fiving themselves a bit too much after the cap clearing KP trade.

I’m sorry close friends and all that doesn’t really fly. DeAndre, CP3 and Griffin were close friends but they separated. I’m sure Westbrook and Durant are friends but they separated. Wade and LeBron are friends but it didn’t stop LeBron from returning to Cleveland. LeBron is from Cleveland and it didn’t stop him from leaving twice. The friendship angle is a very weak angle. Put it this way LeBron teamed up with Wade and Bosh for a chip more than friendship. And LeBron returned to Cleveland for a Chip because they had amassed enough assets to make a run. Friendship is only strong if winning is already in place. Ivy doesn’t even play and DeAndre is a FA himself so where is this going?


Winning and friendships were not involved in Lebron’s move to LA, it was business and lifestyle. I think Martin referenced Lebron going to LA. There are reports of Durant moving business interests to ny, his agent reportedly would love a job in the front office, and Durant has a good relationship with Perry. The ability to pick a star teammate might help as well.
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Yes, thanks. I listed many many reason for Durant to NY, his multitude of connections is just one. For me, mentioning that DeAndre, CP3 and Griffin were friends and separated not only has nothing to do with this situation, it's kinda left field irrelevant.

Maybe Royal Ivey has nothing to do with anything and it's coincidental. Maybe the Knicks hired Ivey and the type of coaching staff that they knew Durant and company would want long term (play the Miami system when LeBron and company were in town).

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4/3/2019  3:44 PM
im ok with KD even though i think in the last year or 2 he may be a bench player but still effective.

I am concerend with him wanting Kyrie with him. Kyrie is a talent but his head is worrisome. NOt a great team concept player so far. I'd be ok with Middleton/Kemba combo instead of Kyrie, especially if they end up with JA. The pick really determines who the other FA. Hopefully KD allows the team to bring in the right peice and is not insistent on Kyrie if they already have JA, DSJ and Frank under contract.

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4/3/2019  9:52 PM
I also am concerned where we will be in 2-3 years with a 33 year old KD, a likely injured Kyrie and a roster that's been gutted to acquire AD or a bunch of experienced vets to complement our 2 max guys during our 3 year window. When it's done - the cupboard may again be bare and we'll have to do this all over again. Can't we add one max guy and resist going after AD or another max guy that's already 30 and/or has injury history. I get Kawhi is not likely to come - but he fits the bill of what we should be spending such a high percentage of our cap on (2 way player, under 30). If we get Zion or Ja we can keep Mitch and build around 2-3 young players with a really good max vet. If KD wants to play with that - great! If not, it won't end up working unless we gut the roster - so don't bother. Can't think I'm one of the only ones that don't want to lose Mitch, possibly Zion and future picks for a shot at winning for 2-3 years? I'm warming up to Kris Middleton if Kyrie is part of the KD package.
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4/3/2019  9:53 PM
KnickDanger wrote:I am against the two max philosophy. I would prefer to build through the draft, young FA's, smart trades. Start developing players for God's sake. Not doing the same old s#!t. I know that won't happen. ADHD fans and a media of snakes and weasels wouldn't allow it.

THIS - for the first time in 20+ years... absolutely!

is it a must we spend all 70 million on two players??

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