Chandler wrote:Crush you made a lot of legitimate criticisms about Phil. There is no denying that. There is also no denying that Phil at least knew how to win (as a coach and player) and seemed to be able to coax more out of players -- even the ones not fighting for survival -- again as a coach. It seemed reasonable to hire him. He had a plan and promise and an ego big enough (so it seemed) up for the challenge. It wasn't the plan at fault; it was the execution. (and to be fair many of the criticisms are a bit misplaced because he wasn't the GM, but fair enough, the buck should stop with him). Perry's claim to fame? kicked out at Orlando and Sacramento.

We can agree that Perry nailed the draft. And hopefully that is a sign of good things to come.

However, if KP comes back and dominates in Dallas, Perry and Mills will live in infamy. They had a whole season to sell KP on a plan and a vision; they threw Phil under the bus, in an effort to tell KP they're not Phil. Now it could be the case that KP and Janis were such utter a-holes that trading KP is another genius move. If so, great. As a fan I prefer that. However, if it ends up that KP was reasonably fed up with watching the endless losing, lack of vision and consistency, and having a coach who consistently speaks before he thinks, that trade may end up on par with Joe Barry Carrol in exchange for Parrish and McHale. Lord help him if he proves incapable of convincing top tier FA talent to join this dumpster fire.

Frank being traded on draft night to San Antonio or another team with a plan and that develops a player is another possible mark on Perry's and Mill's judgment.

Perry hired a head coach whose best known for alienating Gasol. Should we be surprised that Fizz repeated that with KP and Enes.

Then you have the Mudiay, Hezonja, Vonleh (who I like), and Ellenson signings. Like them or not, there is no upside for us. if we're successful in rejuvenating a guy's career we receive a much higher salary request as they enter FA. We get nothing for providing them with that opportunity and "development".

Perry quite possibly may end up being the worst GM we have ever had. We'll have to see. There's an adage that says it's darkest before the dawn. This season can't get over fast enough and I'm truly hoping that the darkest stuff is behind us

I have been saying this for a while now

Around here a Good GM/Prez is one that doesn't trade picks, never mind that they somehow put together the worst roster in franchise history, and everyday FIZ is reminding me of a CAR SALES MEN. He's good enough to convince someone that a FORD FOCUS has great RESALE value

With Zero accountability across the board, and even after almost 70 games, absolutely nothing has been establish with any of these players.

Perry already has the TITLE of the WORST GM this franchise ever saw, and FIZDALE has the TITLE of the worst coach this franchise has ever saw..Both are being manage by Mills, who's being Mange by Dolan who put it all together

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Crush you made a lot of legitimate criticisms about Phil. There is no denying that. There is also no denying that Phil at least knew how to win (as a coach and player) and seemed to be able to coax more out of players -- even the ones not fighting for survival -- again as a coach. It seemed reasonable to hire him. He had a plan and promise and an ego big enough (so it seemed) up for the challenge. It wasn't the plan at fault; it was the execution. (and to be fair many of the criticisms are a bit misplaced because he wasn't the GM, but fair enough, the buck should stop with him). Perry's claim to fame? kicked out at Orlando and Sacramento.

We can agree that Perry nailed the draft. And hopefully that is a sign of good things to come.

However, if KP comes back and dominates in Dallas, Perry and Mills will live in infamy. They had a whole season to sell KP on a plan and a vision; they threw Phil under the bus, in an effort to tell KP they're not Phil. Now it could be the case that KP and Janis were such utter a-holes that trading KP is another genius move. If so, great. As a fan I prefer that. However, if it ends up that KP was reasonably fed up with watching the endless losing, lack of vision and consistency, and having a coach who consistently speaks before he thinks, that trade may end up on par with Joe Barry Carrol in exchange for Parrish and McHale. Lord help him if he proves incapable of convincing top tier FA talent to join this dumpster fire.

Frank being traded on draft night to San Antonio or another team with a plan and that develops a player is another possible mark on Perry's and Mill's judgment.

Perry hired a head coach whose best known for alienating Gasol. Should we be surprised that Fizz repeated that with KP and Enes.

Then you have the Mudiay, Hezonja, Vonleh (who I like), and Ellenson signings. Like them or not, there is no upside for us. if we're successful in rejuvenating a guy's career we receive a much higher salary request as they enter FA. We get nothing for providing them with that opportunity and "development".

Perry quite possibly may end up being the worst GM we have ever had. We'll have to see. There's an adage that says it's darkest before the dawn. This season can't get over fast enough and I'm truly hoping that the darkest stuff is behind us

I have been saying this for a while now

Around here a Good GM/Prez is one that doesn't trade picks, never mind that they somehow put together the worst roster in franchise history, and everyday FIZ is reminding me of a CAR SALES MEN. He's good enough to convince someone that a FORD FOCUS has great RESALE value

With Zero accountability across the board, and even after almost 70 games, absolutely nothing has been establish with any of these players.

Perry already has the TITLE of the WORST GM this franchise ever saw, and FIZDALE has the TITLE of the worst coach this franchise has ever saw..Both are being manage by Mills, who's being Mange by Dolan who put it all together

ugh dude, seriously, I guess I don't mind and can understand the frustration but your posts are just repetitive blather. Time to pick up your game.

knickstorrents wrote:Uh the current FO is light years ahead of the Scott Layden years. It's not even CLOSE. I'm not even sure how Layden still has a job in the league.
Layden gave Allan Houston 100mm over 6 years, one of the worst contracts in NBA HISTORY
Traded for Howard Eisley, a mediocre guard just starting a 7 year 41 million dollar contract LOL AND Shandon Anderson who was just starting a 6 year 42 million dollar contract. Shandon was later waived for poor performance
Traded away Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby, and Mark Jackson for Antonio McDyess!!!!
Drafted such players as Mike Sweetney, and traded a large majority of the draft picks from the Ewing trade for crap.

So yea, Layden is definitely much worse. Scott Perry is a superstar in comparison.

Layden over paid for Houston, Walsh over paid for Amare, Phil over paid for Noah, every GM/Prez makes a bad signing..it happens all the time,

Mills over paid for THJ, and while he didn't trade an actual pick, they did eventually trade their best pick in 4 decades (in KP) because of the losing culture they seem to be immune to.

knickstorrents wrote:Uh the current FO is light years ahead of the Scott Layden years. It's not even CLOSE. I'm not even sure how Layden still has a job in the league.
Layden gave Allan Houston 100mm over 6 years, one of the worst contracts in NBA HISTORY
Traded for Howard Eisley, a mediocre guard just starting a 7 year 41 million dollar contract LOL AND Shandon Anderson who was just starting a 6 year 42 million dollar contract. Shandon was later waived for poor performance
Traded away Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby, and Mark Jackson for Antonio McDyess!!!!
Drafted such players as Mike Sweetney, and traded a large majority of the draft picks from the Ewing trade for crap.

So yea, Layden is definitely much worse. Scott Perry is a superstar in comparison.

RC Buford hired him to be his assistant in SAS.
Layden was fired after he had cleared cap, had draft picks and in turn had ammunition for Isiah to create the worst team to dollar ratio in the history of mankind. Layden didn't want to do the Marbury deal.
Layden was young and dolan was calling the shots. GM's don't give out owners money. Owners do the deals.
Executives are not players. They are cerebral are not prone to making the same mistakes over and over again. That's why he has a job. That's why the Best GM in the business hired him to be his assistant.
Nothing Layden did 20 years ago is even remotely related to Perry. Its not like there is a voodoo spell on the team. Only the residue from Phil carries over in the form of assets or deficits he has to navigate with.

Chandler wrote:Just read an article in the Post (which I generally don't like) where Tim Sr. says he likes Fizz Mills and Perry. So while I'm pessimistic about them that message gives me some hope because i respect Tim St's knowledge. Fingers crossed he's right!

Just because you have a cool personality and get along with everyone, doesn't mean your really good at your job. I'm sure we have all worked around cool incompetent people.

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Just read an article in the Post (which I generally don't like) where Tim Sr. says he likes Fizz Mills and Perry. So while I'm pessimistic about them that message gives me some hope because i respect Tim St's knowledge. Fingers crossed he's right!

Just because you have a cool personality and get along with everyone, doesn't mean your really good at your job. I'm sure we have all worked around cool incompetent people.

Hardaway wasn't saying these guys are cool. Perhaps you may want to read the article.

In any event, though I am pessimistic about that crew, I will keep my fingers-crossed and hope Tim Sr. is right -- someone who was not a fan of the Knicks when he played and certainly has no reason to sugarcoat things now that his son was traded by them for the second time. Time will tell, and I think that means at least one more year

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:Q: Maybe Perry knows WTF he is doing?

Respone: let me know when you are fielding bets on that

The luxury afforded to Perry is beyond belief. I guarantee you if Phil did this people would be screaming their heads off and asking for his resignation. I guarantee you next year if the and when the Knicks strike out in FA. Everyone is going to ask for his head on a platter.

jskinny35 wrote:It's too early to grade Perry, as this summer will give us an idea whether his plan is successful. At least it's a decent plan and he's set the table without giving away everything in advance (something Walsh had to do before 2010). The best part for me is that we have some options that don't keep us in a position of desperation or weakness - something we always seem to operate out of...

If we strike out this summer, at least we're not saddled with Howard Eisley-type contracts that won't allow us to do something in the future. We can go up to bat again next summer or seize a trade opportunity when they arise. Again, something we never could receive fair trade value for as we were always over the cap and/or had lousy assets which necessitated us to give up crazy 1st rounders. Just happy we're going about things differently then before.

Melo’s NTC and Joakim’s contract as about the worst sin of the Phil-Mills-Perry era. Hardaway being second and fact is the kid is an 18pt scorer on what has been the worst team in the NBA the last few seasons.
Melo was a problem Phil inherited and at the time of the NTC he was still playing up to Max money and was saying all the right things. At. Best Melo-Rose-Joakim was to be a bridge at worst is what happened.

My point is this franchise direction is not moving in any direction we have seen before. That can all change at a moment of Dolans bad synapse but even as fans we not talking about bad contracts and ignorance, we talking about progress or lack of with a very young group of players. IMagine that!
Not that our Win-loss record is anything to write home about but at least we own our picks!!!!

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.atthehive.com/2019/5/2/18527141/charlotte-hornets-player-review-willy-hernangomez-backup-center

https://nypost.com/2019/05/02/knicks-using-playoffs-to-scout-soon-to-be-free-agent-targets/

I hope we get lucky- is it tomorrow? I can't imagine us trading Zion for AD.

But, I think our FO finally get's it. Scouting during the play offs - makes so much sense! We have the resources to pay for more scouts. You always see guys step up big - and those are the players you need.

And maybe we miss out on the big names - but are there small players (contract, visibility) that we should sign? Absolutely. I have faith in our FO.