No matter what the injury is, the secrecy behind Frank's progress sounds like its more about business, than health. Would have expected more upbeat news by now about Frank being close to returning. From Frank or mgmt. An awful lot of radio silence, considering.

GustavBahler wrote:Sounds like an Elton John song, lol.

No matter what the injury is, the secrecy behind Frank's progress sounds like its more about business, than health. Would have expected more upbeat news by now about Frank being close to returning. From Frank or mgmt. An awful lot of radio silence, considering.

This is basically all I am saying --- this isn't about health it's something else (business) --- maybe both sides have agreed to shut him down with promise to move him this summer --- I just don't understand why.

Hoping I am wrong and Frank is back soon --- playing better.

TripleThreat wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Bottom line Knicks are dicking around with Frank....

That really makes no sense on multiple levels.

Frank N is passively trying to get traded. What he is doing is common in Euro-Ball, where he has experience. He would simply be more aggressive on another team.

Trier, Knox and MRob have been pushed way too far and too hard for rookies at their current level. But the Knicks have super limited options given injury/trade/gutted roster. Putting Frank N on the shelf means the minutes have to go somewhere. Overexposing the Knicks recent guys from the past draft class only risks injuring them.

Frank N is in his 2nd year. His trade value is in his cost control and potential as a wing defender. The ability to guard the wing at a potential elite level is actually pretty rare in the modern NBA. One of the other issues is he's going to need a consistent three to have value and the ball simply is not moving on this team. He can't create his own shot and he needs a true free flowing offense to help him get clean looks.

His footwork is very good and that generally bodes well for upside in helping a little of everything else. His shot could use help but it's not beyond repair ( its not like young Jason Kidd, who was a ****ing atrocious level shooter)

There are too many built in safeguards to prevent teams and players from taking advantage of injuries or phantom injuries. (Which makes the Leonard and Spurs situation so bizarre) Going to war with Frank N means going to war with CAA and Leon Rose. Which has interests in other things associated with Dolan and his family. And has interests in things vested within the league itself and the brands and networks. There is literally no incentive to do this.

I'm not saying Frank is a legit PG or that he has played as well as I'd/we had hoped --- I just think he is getting some odd treatment from the front office (Knick's Knicking) -- his groin would have to be off the bone to be out six weeks (it's laughable really) --- somebody find me 2 other cases where a groin injury kept an NBA player out 6 weeks.

It is possible Frank has gone behind the scenes (as I noted in my original post) and requested a trade (per your passive comment) but I just don't buy he is injured still --- hoping I am wrong and he is back soon.

1) Frankie: Play him. Bench him. Replace him with the exact pick Phil didn't make.
2) Next up: bye bye Lance Thomas
3) On the bubble: Luke Kornet disintegrates in the breeze.
4) Dolan (brought Phil in) sells the team,
5) New owner gets rid of Mills (Phil staff leftover).

Done

TripleThreat wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Are we all serious to believe Frank's groin is keeping him out this long? Even if he returns this weekend --- something smells very fishy to me.

Theory I've been bouncing around in my head is that Frank or his representation requested a trade (maybe during or after the KP situation unfolded).

It's possible management was afraid of the look of both KP and Frank asking out and in response the Knick's play hardball (bench him for a long time) and look to move him in the summer.

I just can't buy the timeline for this injury and don't put anything past the Knicks. Watching both DSJ and Mudiay over a longer period --- makes me doubt either is a better long term PG vs. Frank.

Thoughts?

Under the new Chris Bosh Rule under the current CBA, if a player and his representation have a conflict over an issue of health with their respective franchise, the player and his agent can petition for a review from a league approved medical panel outside of the bounds of said individual franchise.

It's a safeguard designed to prevent what amounts to insurance fraud ( Consider how much insurance is needed in all aspects of running a franchise, the NBA as a whole does not want to go to war with the insurance industry in general) and a backdoor way for teams to convert cap hold dollars into real dollars ( Player X counts against the cap, but insurance is paying out a chunk of the actual cash hit, allowing team to hit the salary floor but not paying cash that equalizes to the salary floor)

Frank N and his agent obviously want to do well for his next contract. This needs to happen by way of doing well on another team that has his Bird Rights. Which means a trade and means the sooner the better. Accepting a fake injury means no non Knicks team will want to trade for him.

There is no reason for the Knicks to **** with him like this ( Chris Bosh Rule)

There is no reason for Frank N to accept this kind of scenario you present, it only hurts him.

He's injured enough to keep him out.

If the Knicks truly wanted him gone, they'd have sent him out in the Zinger deal ( Carlisle and Donnie Nelson both really like Frank N in general) He's in his 2nd year, there's no pressure to move him now on the Knicks side.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I would have to agree with some on here that this is the last step in ridding the place of the Triangle Smell.

1) Frankie: Play him. Bench him. Replace him with the exact pick Phil didn't make.
2) Next up: bye bye Lance Thomas
3) On the bubble: Luke Kornet disintegrates in the breeze.
4) Dolan (brought Phil in) sells the team,
5) New owner gets rid of Mills (Phil staff leftover).

Done

New billionaire owner with Napoleonic tendancies:

1. Goes all in on AD.
2. Hires Jerry West as "Consultant"
3. We bring in Durant and Kyrie
4. We trade everything for veteran players
5. Rainman takes over the UK
6. Knicks lose in Conf. Finals for two years.
7. AD has a bad back, KD and Kyrie opt out. DSjr Starburies us, and Trier signs with Nets.
8. We are back were we started, Napoleonic owner is indicted for fraud with the SEC, team has to slash payroll.
9. MSG loses lease as new Penn Station is announced. Team has two years to vacate. They decide to play in Newark until new arena is build in White plains.
10. Obama, Lebron and Jay Z sign letter of intent to buy team. White Plains arena is scrapped due to Union bickering and extortion. New Arena is announced for rail yards area of NYC for 100 gazillion dollars and will be operated by MSG via Dolan.
11. Lebron announces he is coming out of retirement to play one more season with his son at age 41. He has exhumed the testes of Wilt Chamberlin and is blood doping in Germany with it. Lavar Ball is institutionalized.
12. Spike Lee wins an Oscar for the Movie "GodZingis" vs. Godzilla.
13. Frank is the league MVP after leading the Timberwolves to there second consecutive championship.
14 President Mark Cuban is elated with the leagues diversity. His blind trust owns the Mavs and Becky Hammons is Coach of the year. The team loses in the west conf finals when team chemistry is ruined when its rumored KP impregnated her.

This post is destined to become a Nalod classic! Funny shyte homey.

LivingLegend wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Bottom line Knicks are dicking around with Frank....

That really makes no sense on multiple levels.

Frank N is passively trying to get traded. What he is doing is common in Euro-Ball, where he has experience. He would simply be more aggressive on another team.

Trier, Knox and MRob have been pushed way too far and too hard for rookies at their current level. But the Knicks have super limited options given injury/trade/gutted roster. Putting Frank N on the shelf means the minutes have to go somewhere. Overexposing the Knicks recent guys from the past draft class only risks injuring them.

Frank N is in his 2nd year. His trade value is in his cost control and potential as a wing defender. The ability to guard the wing at a potential elite level is actually pretty rare in the modern NBA. One of the other issues is he's going to need a consistent three to have value and the ball simply is not moving on this team. He can't create his own shot and he needs a true free flowing offense to help him get clean looks.

His footwork is very good and that generally bodes well for upside in helping a little of everything else. His shot could use help but it's not beyond repair ( its not like young Jason Kidd, who was a ****ing atrocious level shooter)

There are too many built in safeguards to prevent teams and players from taking advantage of injuries or phantom injuries. (Which makes the Leonard and Spurs situation so bizarre) Going to war with Frank N means going to war with CAA and Leon Rose. Which has interests in other things associated with Dolan and his family. And has interests in things vested within the league itself and the brands and networks. There is literally no incentive to do this.

I'm not saying Frank is a legit PG or that he has played as well as I'd/we had hoped --- I just think he is getting some odd treatment from the front office (Knick's Knicking) -- his groin would have to be off the bone to be out six weeks (it's laughable really) --- somebody find me 2 other cases where a groin injury kept an NBA player out 6 weeks.

It is possible Frank has gone behind the scenes (as I noted in my original post) and requested a trade (per your passive comment) but I just don't buy he is injured still --- hoping I am wrong and he is back soon.

Out a month, 5 weeks?

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CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Are we all serious to believe Frank's groin is keeping him out this long? Even if he returns this weekend --- something smells very fishy to me.

Theory I've been bouncing around in my head is that Frank or his representation requested a trade (maybe during or after the KP situation unfolded).

It's possible management was afraid of the look of both KP and Frank asking out and in response the Knick's play hardball (bench him for a long time) and look to move him in the summer.

I just can't buy the timeline for this injury and don't put anything past the Knicks. Watching both DSJ and Mudiay over a longer period --- makes me doubt either is a better long term PG vs. Frank.

Thoughts?

Under the new Chris Bosh Rule under the current CBA, if a player and his representation have a conflict over an issue of health with their respective franchise, the player and his agent can petition for a review from a league approved medical panel outside of the bounds of said individual franchise.

It's a safeguard designed to prevent what amounts to insurance fraud ( Consider how much insurance is needed in all aspects of running a franchise, the NBA as a whole does not want to go to war with the insurance industry in general) and a backdoor way for teams to convert cap hold dollars into real dollars ( Player X counts against the cap, but insurance is paying out a chunk of the actual cash hit, allowing team to hit the salary floor but not paying cash that equalizes to the salary floor)

Frank N and his agent obviously want to do well for his next contract. This needs to happen by way of doing well on another team that has his Bird Rights. Which means a trade and means the sooner the better. Accepting a fake injury means no non Knicks team will want to trade for him.

There is no reason for the Knicks to **** with him like this ( Chris Bosh Rule)

There is no reason for Frank N to accept this kind of scenario you present, it only hurts him.

He's injured enough to keep him out.

If the Knicks truly wanted him gone, they'd have sent him out in the Zinger deal ( Carlisle and Donnie Nelson both really like Frank N in general) He's in his 2nd year, there's no pressure to move him now on the Knicks side.

I thought Dallas had a lot of interest in Frank, especially at the 2017 draft. After the KP trade I listened to a podcast with the guy that writes about the Mavs for The Athletic. He said the Mavs had no interest in Frank. I think Frank has been mentioned in a Tim for Matthews deal prior to the KP trade.

Just don't believe it, or maybe how it is reported. When the trade went down the Mavs had plenty of salary exchange cushion to, for example, take on Frank instead of Burke, and any franchise I would assume would have wanted that asset (Frank over Trey). Would Mavs want Frank over Doncic as a lead guard? Obviously not. But I just don't believe that they would have turned down such a scenario.

Maybe they didn't want Frank included at the expense of giving up extra picks or something but the flat denial of wanting Frank in general makes zero sense.

Lots of context and grey area there