jrodmc wrote:I thought we might beat Memphis, but this group apparently doesn't do **** for the gipper. Then Memphis traded that Fiz-hating Gasol. If they had pulled the trigger on that trade before, it could have been a win.

Be careful what you root for.

Losing breeds more losing, just like rats breed rats. The Hinkie plan is a ball of chocolate covered ****. The Sicksers could just as easily have hit paydirt on two out of 15 lottery picks without tanking.

The league is eventually just going to slowly evolve back to the Ewing lottery format. Encouraging half a league's worth of **** teams to to **** on themselves for 82 games just isn't good for business.

Actually, I'd like to see teams that barely make the playoffs get the best chances in the draft. Let the **** teams remain ****. Fuck the whole rewarding **** with ping pong balls. Let's see how front offices that are trying to SECURE/SAVE THEIR JOBS manage to do everything they can to win. Let them approach their NEED TO SURVIVE AND FEED THEIR KIDS the same way MJ approached practice. Kill off everything and anything that keeps you from winning.

This is actually a better and more rational approach.

The problem with the existing formats is that you get rewarded for being bad, really bad. So it directly encourages tanking. But while that is still the reality, there is no benefit to not tank. All this talk about losing culture isn't real, our roster is overhauled each year, there is NO culture. But you want your core players to NOT pick up bad habits, which unfortunately happens too often.

meloshouldgo wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I thought we might beat Memphis, but this group apparently doesn't do **** for the gipper. Then Memphis traded that Fiz-hating Gasol. If they had pulled the trigger on that trade before, it could have been a win.

Be careful what you root for.

Losing breeds more losing, just like rats breed rats. The Hinkie plan is a ball of chocolate covered ****. The Sicksers could just as easily have hit paydirt on two out of 15 lottery picks without tanking.

The league is eventually just going to slowly evolve back to the Ewing lottery format. Encouraging half a league's worth of **** teams to to **** on themselves for 82 games just isn't good for business.

Actually, I'd like to see teams that barely make the playoffs get the best chances in the draft. Let the **** teams remain ****. Fuck the whole rewarding **** with ping pong balls. Let's see how front offices that are trying to SECURE/SAVE THEIR JOBS manage to do everything they can to win. Let them approach their NEED TO SURVIVE AND FEED THEIR KIDS the same way MJ approached practice. Kill off everything and anything that keeps you from winning.

This is actually a better and more rational approach.

The problem with the existing formats is that you get rewarded for being bad, really bad. So it directly encourages tanking. But while that is still the reality, there is no benefit to not tank. All this talk about losing culture isn't real, our roster is overhauled each year, there is NO culture. But you want your core players to NOT pick up bad habits, which unfortunately happens too often.

The problem with a lot of bad teams is not in the draft but in CBA.
NBA is focused on entertainment revenues, endorsements, and sport betting.
This were the money are not in attendance or teams equality.
You need stars who team up to produce spectacular performances and there is not enough stars for all teams.
Reducing the NBA to 28 or 26 teams is not an option as money will be lost in huge amounts.
Draft is just window dressing and another way to extract gambling revenues.
Also the international players impact is overrated.
In hockey there are a bunch of foreign hockey superpowers with level of the game close to North American.
Russia, Sweden, Finland, Slovakia, Check Republic just to name a few where hockey is national sport number 1, 2, and 3.
Basketball not so much.

Knicksfan wrote:

Sambakick wrote:We need some wins. This losing is getting old.

Sambakick wrote:Well... odds are we aint crawling out of the bottom three. Even if we get a few feel good Ws.

Allow me to quote you in a different order:

“Even if we get a few feel good Ws, odds are we aint crawling out of the bottom three.“

So, why win?

To feel good. Can we win 1 out of 5 the rest of the way at least? I need some Ws!

Knicksfan wrote:

Sambakick wrote:Add if we are so unlucky to be in the bottom three but pick 7th or 6th instead of 5th ... does it really matter?

This is the small detail you need to understand: the worst record can’t get lower than 5th pick.

And if we finish 2nd to last we can't get lower than 6th pick.

What's the difference? It's not Top3.

Sambakick wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Sambakick wrote:We need some wins.

Losing more games win't help attract Free Agents... it only helps "the odds"

If you want more wins, then you need more talent. Talent can only come from three sources - The draft OR free agency OR trades

No i literally want this season to have more than 10 wins. Are we going to win ever again?? Are you guys really happy watching loss after loss right now?

Can we finish with like.... 15 wins maybe? That would be nice. I want to watch a frikkin Win. Especially for the new guys trying so hard.

yes. next season.

Sambakick wrote:

Kemet wrote:The consistent Tanking to get 4th pick KP, then 8th pick Frank, then 9th pick Knox, has become confusing.
Sometime I forget the Knicks front-office decision making has people calling us the Mismanagement-Knicks team.
Ok we Tank .. We get Zion in the draft .. And 3 season later Zion are asking to be traded !!!

LOL! Good one.

I was a dyed-in-the-wool tanker since before tankin was the word we use to describe tankin.

I'm "no longer rooting for losses" for this squad.

(That doesn't mean my rooting will somehow make a difference!)

I would like to finish bottom 3 and win some more games.

I understand the need for 14%.

I don't understand the need to "be, at worst, fifth worst"

That was never why i wanted to tank.

I would rather see DSJ and Knox start clickin and winning a couple games.

If we can't beat CAVS in Cleveland.... gonna be hard to win at all.

But i'm rooting for a couple at least. Jeez. Feeling good feels good.

Tired of smacking my **** with a hammer

It’s not being fifth worst at worst. It’s the fact that we have a better chance at getting a top 4 pick collectively than the fifth pick... and as the worst team, we have a better chance to get a top 3 pick than the 4th pick. There are only 26 more games. Why do you need the satisfaction of 3 bad wins th@is season when it’s semi-possible we can win 50 games next season?