MS wrote:I’m not sure how you can fault KP.

He was our franchise player. Look at Lebron, AD, KG, etc. They put their faith in their respective franchises and once you’re signed long term your at the mercy of bad trades, incompetent front offices and turmoil within ownership.

It’s not what you’ve accomplished, it’s what you want to accomplish.

James Dolan, literally had security throw Charles Oakley out of the garden and humiliate him in the media, that’s a Knick legend. How many different coaches have we gone through? Four since he’s been here. Do you trust Steve Mills? Not in the least bit. Do we like Scott Perry, yes. But what he’s he proven? What has he accomplished? What has this franchise accomplished? The answer is nothing. One playoff series win in 15 years.

Do you know how incompetent you have to be to miss the playoffs nearly every year with a built in fan base and media market like NY.

So while I don’t know what KP will accomplish going forward, I know the resumes of everyone in the brain trust has accomplished to date and it’s pretty bare. Fizdale flammed Out in Memphis and his first season is a **** show in NYC. This whole organization is built on potential and what ifs.

So Janis didn’t sabotage anything. Phil signed Noah and Mills signing THJR sabatoged our future. Let’s speak in facts.

KP really seemed like someone who wanted to embrace leading the Knicks back to success. No one knows exactly what happened but seems like he wasn't up to that task for whatever reason. Going to the west makes things a lot tougher for him, even with Doncic alongside him. Not sure what his overall goals here were.

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:We actually don’t treat veterans all that special.

Spree all of sudden was back on the scene after the Oakley fiasco. We never once offered Ewing an assistant coaching job or let him come in for an interview. This was the first season maybe ever Walt Clyde was brought in to work with the players.

Dolan has bread one of the most impressive toxic cultures in all of sports. Everyone is quick to say what KP hasn’t accomplished, but how many kids are all stars at 22 years old. Right now we have the Knicks PR machine. Whose to say it wasn’t spun in the Knicks narrative.

I’m just shocked that KP wanting to be in a winning culture automatically means he’s entitled. I never give this organization the benefit of the doubt. You need to earn that.

We are buying the narrative, but the guys are selling it have accomplished less then the guy we just traded.

Ewing was offered head coach of Gleague.
NO other team hired him as head coach in NBA.
Because of his legend I think it would be a distraction. Ewing was never disrespected.
Let’s not forget he wanted to be traded, he was given a big contract and could have chosen a more graceful way to end his career.
Spree was out of line to scream during a game at Dolan even if he was correct.
CLydes inclusion would have been at a coaches descretion. Clyde was great.
Spree came back. Knicks extended the olive branch and he took it. Even if for appearances. Spree is not an amabassader and went with the team to Europe. Seems like its not just for appearances, it’s MUTUAL.

KP did not see he was part of the solution?

KP was the first player in the history of NBA to refuse to sign the rookie deal extension. KP is the first player in the NBA whose agent is his brother. Janis did not sabotage anything? If KP's future with the Knicks was nothing then I guess Janis did not sabotage anything.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:We actually don’t treat veterans all that special.

Spree all of sudden was back on the scene after the Oakley fiasco. We never once offered Ewing an assistant coaching job or let him come in for an interview. This was the first season maybe ever Walt Clyde was brought in to work with the players.

Dolan has bread one of the most impressive toxic cultures in all of sports. Everyone is quick to say what KP hasn’t accomplished, but how many kids are all stars at 22 years old. Right now we have the Knicks PR machine. Whose to say it wasn’t spun in the Knicks narrative.

I’m just shocked that KP wanting to be in a winning culture automatically means he’s entitled. I never give this organization the benefit of the doubt. You need to earn that.

We are buying the narrative, but the guys are selling it have accomplished less then the guy we just traded.

Ewing was offered head coach of Gleague.
NO other team hired him as head coach in NBA.
Because of his legend I think it would be a distraction. Ewing was never disrespected.
Let’s not forget he wanted to be traded, he was given a big contract and could have chosen a more graceful way to end his career.
Spree was out of line to scream during a game at Dolan even if he was correct.
CLydes inclusion would have been at a coaches descretion. Clyde was great.
Spree came back. Knicks extended the olive branch and he took it. Even if for appearances. Spree is not an amabassader and went with the team to Europe. Seems like its not just for appearances, it’s MUTUAL.

KP did not see he was part of the solution?

KP was the first player in the history of NBA to refuse to sign the rookie deal extension. KP is the first player in the NBA whose agent is his brother. Janis did not sabotage anything? If KP's future with the Knicks was nothing then I guess Janis did not sabotage anything.

He wasn't though, right? That opportunity won't come yup til this summer. Also, Greg Monroe really was the first

Oops, my bad. Second player ever. The opportunity will come up this summer, but even in 2017 which is when the interview happened Janis talked about reasons not to sign. Right after being traded to Mavs the big news from their camp was that they are signing the QO only.

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:We actually don’t treat veterans all that special.

Spree all of sudden was back on the scene after the Oakley fiasco. We never once offered Ewing an assistant coaching job or let him come in for an interview. This was the first season maybe ever Walt Clyde was brought in to work with the players.

Dolan has bread one of the most impressive toxic cultures in all of sports. Everyone is quick to say what KP hasn’t accomplished, but how many kids are all stars at 22 years old. Right now we have the Knicks PR machine. Whose to say it wasn’t spun in the Knicks narrative.

I’m just shocked that KP wanting to be in a winning culture automatically means he’s entitled. I never give this organization the benefit of the doubt. You need to earn that.

We are buying the narrative, but the guys are selling it have accomplished less then the guy we just traded.

Ewing was offered head coach of Gleague.
NO other team hired him as head coach in NBA.
Because of his legend I think it would be a distraction. Ewing was never disrespected.
Let’s not forget he wanted to be traded, he was given a big contract and could have chosen a more graceful way to end his career.
Spree was out of line to scream during a game at Dolan even if he was correct.
CLydes inclusion would have been at a coaches descretion. Clyde was great.
Spree came back. Knicks extended the olive branch and he took it. Even if for appearances. Spree is not an amabassader and went with the team to Europe. Seems like its not just for appearances, it’s MUTUAL.

KP did not see he was part of the solution?

KP was the first player in the history of NBA to refuse to sign the rookie deal extension. KP is the first player in the NBA whose agent is his brother. Janis did not sabotage anything? If KP's future with the Knicks was nothing then I guess Janis did not sabotage anything.

He wasn't though, right? That opportunity won't come yup til this summer. Also, Greg Monroe really was the first

Oops, my bad. Second player ever. The opportunity will come up this summer, but even in 2017 which is when the interview happened Janis talked about reasons not to sign. Right after being traded to Mavs the big news from their camp was that they are signing the QO only.

I don't recall that being the case. Could have been when it was reported but we don't know if it was intended for NY or for Dallas. Or both.

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:We actually don’t treat veterans all that special.

Spree all of sudden was back on the scene after the Oakley fiasco. We never once offered Ewing an assistant coaching job or let him come in for an interview. This was the first season maybe ever Walt Clyde was brought in to work with the players.

Dolan has bread one of the most impressive toxic cultures in all of sports. Everyone is quick to say what KP hasn’t accomplished, but how many kids are all stars at 22 years old. Right now we have the Knicks PR machine. Whose to say it wasn’t spun in the Knicks narrative.

I’m just shocked that KP wanting to be in a winning culture automatically means he’s entitled. I never give this organization the benefit of the doubt. You need to earn that.

We are buying the narrative, but the guys are selling it have accomplished less then the guy we just traded.

Ewing was offered head coach of Gleague.
NO other team hired him as head coach in NBA.
Because of his legend I think it would be a distraction. Ewing was never disrespected.
Let’s not forget he wanted to be traded, he was given a big contract and could have chosen a more graceful way to end his career.
Spree was out of line to scream during a game at Dolan even if he was correct.
CLydes inclusion would have been at a coaches descretion. Clyde was great.
Spree came back. Knicks extended the olive branch and he took it. Even if for appearances. Spree is not an amabassader and went with the team to Europe. Seems like its not just for appearances, it’s MUTUAL.

KP did not see he was part of the solution?

KP was the first player in the history of NBA to refuse to sign the rookie deal extension. KP is the first player in the NBA whose agent is his brother. Janis did not sabotage anything? If KP's future with the Knicks was nothing then I guess Janis did not sabotage anything.

He wasn't though, right? That opportunity won't come yup til this summer. Also, Greg Monroe really was the first

Oops, my bad. Second player ever. The opportunity will come up this summer, but even in 2017 which is when the interview happened Janis talked about reasons not to sign. Right after being traded to Mavs the big news from their camp was that they are signing the QO only.

I don't recall that being the case. Could have been when it was reported but we don't know if it was intended for NY or for Dallas. Or both.

this is where i got it from

martin wrote:Here's a nice kicker:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1091080742749253632

Right, this was at the time of the trade and wasn't really reported elsewhere or re-inforced.

Remember: sources can be anyone, and this was probably KP's team saying it but to NY, not Dallas.

In fact, at the new conference in Dallas just now, when asked, KP backed off of the statement.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:We actually don’t treat veterans all that special.

Spree all of sudden was back on the scene after the Oakley fiasco. We never once offered Ewing an assistant coaching job or let him come in for an interview. This was the first season maybe ever Walt Clyde was brought in to work with the players.

Dolan has bread one of the most impressive toxic cultures in all of sports. Everyone is quick to say what KP hasn’t accomplished, but how many kids are all stars at 22 years old. Right now we have the Knicks PR machine. Whose to say it wasn’t spun in the Knicks narrative.

I’m just shocked that KP wanting to be in a winning culture automatically means he’s entitled. I never give this organization the benefit of the doubt. You need to earn that.

We are buying the narrative, but the guys are selling it have accomplished less then the guy we just traded.

Ewing was offered head coach of Gleague.
NO other team hired him as head coach in NBA.
Because of his legend I think it would be a distraction. Ewing was never disrespected.
Let’s not forget he wanted to be traded, he was given a big contract and could have chosen a more graceful way to end his career.
Spree was out of line to scream during a game at Dolan even if he was correct.
CLydes inclusion would have been at a coaches descretion. Clyde was great.
Spree came back. Knicks extended the olive branch and he took it. Even if for appearances. Spree is not an amabassader and went with the team to Europe. Seems like its not just for appearances, it’s MUTUAL.

KP did not see he was part of the solution?

KP was the first player in the history of NBA to refuse to sign the rookie deal extension. KP is the first player in the NBA whose agent is his brother. Janis did not sabotage anything? If KP's future with the Knicks was nothing then I guess Janis did not sabotage anything.

He wasn't though, right? That opportunity won't come yup til this summer. Also, Greg Monroe really was the first

Oops, my bad. Second player ever. The opportunity will come up this summer, but even in 2017 which is when the interview happened Janis talked about reasons not to sign. Right after being traded to Mavs the big news from their camp was that they are signing the QO only.

I don't recall that being the case. Could have been when it was reported but we don't know if it was intended for NY or for Dallas. Or both.

this is where i got it from

martin wrote:Here's a nice kicker:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1091080742749253632

Right, this was at the time of the trade and wasn't really reported elsewhere or re-inforced.

Remember: sources can be anyone, and this was probably KP's team saying it but to NY, not Dallas.

In fact, at the new conference in Dallas just now, when asked, KP backed off of the statement.

Well that would make more sense. Teams don't do such trades for rentals. In that case the decision to not sign with the Knicks was heavily influenced by Janis, in this article he refers to "us" when he talks about skipping the exit meeting and how that was a thought out move to put them in " another situation ". You are right to say that " sources " could have been people not in the know, however, the only way to justify the Trade is if KP said to the FO that it's not a fact that he will sign long term.

Speaking of signing long term- AD said today that the Knicks are another team other than Lakers that he would sign long term !