meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

They went to other teams who either werent interested or not willing to give up much

I believe the situation is that Mav intended to give what Mills wanted most, the caps. He needed the cap now and quick to keep his job. a lot more picks in future would not help him. (but would help Knicks)

The only chance he could turn around quick is FA. He bought out Noah, let Kanter and Quinn walk away. It is all about caps.

According to a poster on reddit, Perry on Michael Kay's show today said that the Knicks had been exploring interest in KP for months and that was why he was comfortable taking the Dallas deal.

Yeah, it's called damage control

mlby1215 wrote:

martin wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to **** on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Okay, I am going to do it seriously but I am not going to play a espn trade machine to prove my point, as it doesn't prove anything. except maybe I am a very good trade machine player. ;)

Lets look at the basic of trading, any trading.

1. More buyers lead to more demand, in general, then lead to higher price.
2. More sellers lead to more supply, in general, then lead to lower price.
3. The longer time it takes, the more flexibility a team has to make a package another side would want.
4. The longer time it takes, the infomation both side would get which may or may not lead to higher (or lower price).

Okay, if those are agreed then I try to explain why I don't think it is the best deal. Indeed I think it is quite a horrible deal.

First, there was only a few teams knowing that Mills wanted to trade KP. Fiz probably didn't know too. (not surprised)

https://nypost.com/2019/01/11/fizdale-couldnt-bear-to-watch-porzingis-impressive-workout/

As latest as Jan 11, Fiz said,“Today, I walked by and just put my hand up [in front of my face] because it’s just for me, it’s like, ‘God, I’ve got this 7-foot beast here,’”

But Perry said they have been searching a deal for months, right? It seems one of them must be dishonest, or they are just covering for their boss.

Second, how do I know Knicks didn't do enough to ask for a better deal? Because the trade caught a lot of teams by surprise.

I didn't say it, Howard Beck said it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818745-either-the-knicks-are-getting-kd-or-they-just-made-the-worst-trade-ever

The deal was made so quickly that most teams had no idea Porzingis was even available, which means they had no opportunity to make the Knicks a better offer.

"They absolutely did not do due diligence," one source said.

More buyers, higher price, and vice versa.

NBA is full of leakers. If you call every team for months, the leakers on other teams would leak it that you want to trade. This is why the trading of superstars are hard to be kept as secert.

No leaking, I wonder why.

Third, the timing.

I have to ask why do we have to trade away KP now? Because his agent said KP would only take QO? Then why don't we trade him at deadline, or even next off-season? Why is it so hurry? We want to tank right? Why do we need the cap now? The longer we wait, the better deal we will have because other team can make rooms to take we don't want and give us what we want.

People would probably ask there is a risk the longer it takes, the lower the price is. It is not correct in this case, because KP camp has already told everyone they would only sign QO, and currently he doesn't play a damn game to prove he is healthy. Now is the worst time to trade him.

QO doesn't mean a thing if the new team has the confidence to resign him, like Cuban is. He called it bluff, and probably rightfully so.

The price would be higher if KP would play some meaningless games or play in the summer league. Why now? a lot of teams on the safe side pushes the price lower.

Fourth, off-season is alway a better trading time because we have more flexibility too. THJr and Lee contracts will be one year shorter, and thus would give us a better deal if we do not care about FA. (obviously, Knicks do)

That is why I said it can't be the best deal. I am going to tell you it is much worse.

It was not a meeting, it was a setup, it was a trap.

No one could make a deal in such short time even as Mills wanted to. Because another team Mav is not a **** team, they really needed time to make a package. They have to check on contracts, timing and the willingness of their players. Knicks had to inform Mav they want to trade much earlier to give mav time to put an offer on the table, which means before the meeting the basic framework is already there. They wanted to trade, and they would.

So why did they still have a meeting if everything was already finished? Because Mills needed KP camp making a threat, like "if you don't do that we will not be a Knicks, we will only do QO". He needed the word and thus now he could trade him. The meeting last only 5 minutes because nothing to be discussed. Mills just needed the word leaked out and everything is history.

In Howard Beck's reporting,

And that's what had rival general managers gagging on their afternoon lattes.

"It's never happened," one veteran exec said. "Teams have given up unprotected picks. But no one's ever traded an established star, an established commodity, just to clear money."

Of course the exec felt confused, because it is not a trade, it is power struggle. Sooner or later KP camp would get Mills killed, like they killed Phil Jackson. A prez and a rising superstar? How many time the management could survive in this situation? But Mills does. He is amazing.

I am not sure if KP wanted to be here, but I am pretty sure he didn't want to go to Mav. Does any sane player would tell another team he would only sign QO if he wanted to go there? What is the point? He said so because he didn't want to be traded. If KP camp said wherever he goes, he would only sign QO, it could only mean

He wanted to be here. He wanted to be a Knicks.

It is a very painful thing to think about.

Mic drops

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

From what has been reported, the front office sensed that KP did not want to be in NY and had been exploring moving him. When they met with him and he said he wanted out they took the deal that they thought was best. Getting a talented young player in Smith jr, two first round picks including one unprotected and a ton of cap space was a good trade. KP didnt want to be in NY. Move on and don't make it a media circus. This front office has been thorough and discrete when making moves. I don't think you can ask for more than that.

I answered above as I do not believe a deal that massive can be reached in such short time. It was already decided before the meeting. It was a setup.

Btw, we have to understand the Knicks has to be media circus because the media needs the circus to survive.

For example, this

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-sports-bondy-column-knicks-kristaps-porzingis-trade-20190131-story.html

But they screwed it up, of course. They couldn’t squash the losing, the dysfunction, the pettiness. After they agreed to trade Porzingis to the Mavericks for cap space and two future first-round picks, the Knicks launched a spin campaign to make it seem like this was all Porzingis’ fault and they were actually saving the fans (ha!).

Haha, I do not say Stefan Bondy is wrong, but was he one of the reporters who kept trashing Knicks when Phil Jackson was here? If there was dysfunction he surely contrituded it as well. Kept asking Melo "Hey, Phil has been ****ing on you, what do you think?" Sooner or later he would get what he wanted.

mlby1215 wrote:

martin wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to **** on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Okay, I am going to do it seriously but I am not going to play a espn trade machine to prove my point, as it doesn't prove anything. except maybe I am a very good trade machine player. ;)

Lets look at the basic of trading, any trading.

1. More buyers lead to more demand, in general, then lead to higher price.
2. More sellers lead to more supply, in general, then lead to lower price.
3. The longer time it takes, the more flexibility a team has to make a package another side would want.
4. The longer time it takes, the infomation both side would get which may or may not lead to higher (or lower price).

Okay, if those are agreed then I try to explain why I don't think it is the best deal. Indeed I think it is quite a horrible deal.

First, there was only a few teams knowing that Mills wanted to trade KP. Fiz probably didn't know too. (not surprised)

https://nypost.com/2019/01/11/fizdale-couldnt-bear-to-watch-porzingis-impressive-workout/

As latest as Jan 11, Fiz said,“Today, I walked by and just put my hand up [in front of my face] because it’s just for me, it’s like, ‘God, I’ve got this 7-foot beast here,’”

But Perry said they have been searching a deal for months, right? It seems one of them must be dishonest, or they are just covering for their boss.

Second, how do I know Knicks didn't do enough to ask for a better deal? Because the trade caught a lot of teams by surprise.

I didn't say it, Howard Beck said it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818745-either-the-knicks-are-getting-kd-or-they-just-made-the-worst-trade-ever

The deal was made so quickly that most teams had no idea Porzingis was even available, which means they had no opportunity to make the Knicks a better offer.

"They absolutely did not do due diligence," one source said.

More buyers, higher price, and vice versa.

NBA is full of leakers. If you call every team for months, the leakers on other teams would leak it that you want to trade. This is why the trading of superstars are hard to be kept as secert.

No leaking, I wonder why.

Third, the timing.

I have to ask why do we have to trade away KP now? Because his agent said KP would only take QO? Then why don't we trade him at deadline, or even next off-season? Why is it so hurry? We want to tank right? Why do we need the cap now? The longer we wait, the better deal we will have because other team can make rooms to take we don't want and give us what we want.

People would probably ask there is a risk the longer it takes, the lower the price is. It is not correct in this case, because KP camp has already told everyone they would only sign QO, and currently he doesn't play a damn game to prove he is healthy. Now is the worst time to trade him.

QO doesn't mean a thing if the new team has the confidence to resign him, like Cuban is. He called it bluff, and probably rightfully so.

The price would be higher if KP would play some meaningless games or play in the summer league. Why now? a lot of teams on the safe side pushes the price lower.

Fourth, off-season is alway a better trading time because we have more flexibility too. THJr and Lee contracts will be one year shorter, and thus would give us a better deal if we do not care about FA. (obviously, Knicks do)

That is why I said it can't be the best deal. I am going to tell you it is much worse.

It was not a meeting, it was a setup, it was a trap.

No one could make a deal in such short time even as Mills wanted to. Because another team Mav is not a **** team, they really needed time to make a package. They have to check on contracts, timing and the willingness of their players. Knicks had to inform Mav they want to trade much earlier to give mav time to put an offer on the table, which means before the meeting the basic framework is already there. They wanted to trade, and they would.

So why did they still have a meeting if everything was already finished? Because Mills needed KP camp making a threat, like "if you don't do that we will not be a Knicks, we will only do QO". He needed the word and thus now he could trade him. The meeting last only 5 minutes because nothing to be discussed. Mills just needed the word leaked out and everything is history.

In Howard Beck's reporting,

And that's what had rival general managers gagging on their afternoon lattes.

"It's never happened," one veteran exec said. "Teams have given up unprotected picks. But no one's ever traded an established star, an established commodity, just to clear money."

Of course the exec felt confused, because it is not a trade, it is power struggle. Sooner or later KP camp would get Mills killed, like they killed Phil Jackson. A prez and a rising superstar? How many time the management could survive in this situation? But Mills does. He is amazing.

I am not sure if KP wanted to be here, but I am pretty sure he didn't want to go to Mav. Does any sane player would tell another team he would only sign QO if he wanted to go there? What is the point? He said so because he didn't want to be traded. If KP camp said wherever he goes, he would only sign QO, it could only mean

He wanted to be here. He wanted to be a Knicks.

It is a very painful thing to think about.

meloshouldgo wrote:
That was good read, not sure I agree with all of it. But I agree they could have waited till th eoffseason to unload KP, this idea that it had to be done now is as you aptly pointed out political.
I don't know about KP-Mills power struggle, seems possible actually. But I wouldn't want a player who without having acomplished anything himself proceeds to dictate terms, any more than I want Mills. What I do know is his body type and height makes him a injury risk. I also know him and his brother know little to nothing about how to win the NBA and I wouldn't want them making decisions for the franchise. If this was a power struggle he played his juice card and got called. Sucks for him.

Now I agree with you on the trade timing and the return we got not being enough. I totally don't want anything to do with Dennis Smith Jr which is really the "centerpiece" of the return package and it sucks. I can't predict where the first rounders will land or when but getting those made the trade a little more acceptable. I do think we could have gotten more out of Boston in the offseason once Kyrie left. Power struggle or not the way this was done still bothers me.

That was why Phil Jackson went old-school and wanted to punish KP when he skipped his exit meeting. But we canned Phil Jackson, right? It doesn't matter if Phil Jackson deserved it but why would KP behave next time when he realized he was the one calling the shot? We made him a diva. He was a good kid, but he was only 21 at the time, and his brothers were not much older. NYC may be a great place to live but it also corrupts a lot of ppl. Honestly, you know that. When we were 21 we could have done much worse if given chance.

To be fair, this kind of deal must have approval from Dolan before anything. You can call Mills as a mastermind, or just a puppet, and the truth is probably just in between.

CrushAlot wrote:
I have not heard or seen a report of a better deal but if there was one please post it. I like Beck but he is very biased in his Knick coverage. If you listen to him you know that he hates Dolan, thinks Dolan is running things and that the Knicks will never do anything right as long as Dolan owns the team.
In regards to the trade, the Knicks got a lot. They were able to acquire a young player that was a top 5 talent in a loaded draft 1 1/2 years ago. The Knicks have had reported interest in Smith for awhile. He is a guy they scouted and wanted. He isn’t cap filler or a throw in. They also acquired
two first round picks including a pick that is unprotected. If the unprotected pick gets pushed to 2022 it will be an unprotected pick in the first draft where high school players are allowed to declare. That doubles the size of the draft class for that year. Teams don’t trade first round picks even for stars. To get two firsts is Ainge like. The Knicks also got off two horrible contracts and created a ton of cap space. They have so many options now.
We know Porzingis did not want to be a Knick. What we don’t know is if the Knicks were concerned about committing to a max deal with a player who struggles to stay healthy and has a body type prone to injury. The Knicks did really well in this trade. If there was a better offer please post it. No team gets two firsts in a trade anymore. The Knicks got two firsts, a player they wanted and unloaded their two worst contracts.

Okay, I try to answer it honestly. Usually we don't know those offers which didn't finalize until years later. It is because it would make players angry. For example, if Hornets wanted to trade Kemba to get KP but the offer went nowhere. Why would the team announce it now? What is the point? It would only make Kemba angry. This is why you rarely see alternative offers.

Second, why do you believe everything against Phil Jackson but you are suddenly cautious if it is against this management? To me it is just double standard.

Again, playing a trade machine would not prove better deals are out there. The only things I can convince you is already posted above, like timing and no leaking. If you are not convinced, I doubt I can do better.

mlby1215 wrote:

martin wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The irony part is that KP would probably still be here if Phil Jackson was in charge. Both wanted to trade away KP (lets assume the rumor about phil trading him is true) but the difference is that Phil would not find a trade he would like for weeks or months, but Mills would just in 25 minutes. After weeks or months, the sitution would cool down then KP would apologize then everything would make up.

But not in this case. Mills is Mills and people still refuse to believe it. I think he could wield a chainsaw and chop people right and left in MSG but fans still would say "this guy is probably not right....but.....maybe he has a reason to do so?"

They said they were aware of the situation and had begun exploring trade for a while. It just seemed like 25 minutes because none of us knew how tenuous the situation was. KP is gone and it's a bit of a gut punch, but it is what it is. Can't look back now, only forward to the summer.

The buttom line is that trade deadline is still a week away and Mills now is going to tell me it is the best ever deal he could get? I don't believe him.

It is clear KP wanted to go and it is clear he selected Dallas.
What choice the FO had for a trade but the team KP penciled?
If there is some fault it is in how KP and Knicks relationship transpired over long time.
And there are many parties who acted to lead to the trade.
Inevitable events cannot be stopped.
You just acknowledge them and move on.

Again I am not going to **** on people, as everyone is sad. But, how could it be the best deal? Lakers? Boston? I can think of a lot of teams they really wanted KP and were willing to trade.

At the end, I really hope people would finally realize these two guys are always here (almost).

Mills, and Dolan.

It is not Donnie Walsh, not Isiah Thomas, not Glen Grunwald, not Phil Jackson.

It is always Mills and Dolan.

Name them, put out your details. Boston is absolutely not trading for KP until he returned from injury and proved healthy, see Gordon Hayward. They are also in a playoff hunt and need to resign Kyrie, they ain't busting up that team to save a space for KP next year.

Lakers? Almost in the same spot; LeBron and team are in a playoff hunt and wouldn't risk trading for KP (who they then would want to re-route to New Orleans? who also just shot down a KP trade?).

Knicks probably wanted to send KP to the West. And wanted to get rid of Lee/THJr at the least, so lots of expiring contracts and picks needed to make sure $40M in cap space.

Go for it, put out some scenarios.

Okay, I am going to do it seriously but I am not going to play a espn trade machine to prove my point, as it doesn't prove anything. except maybe I am a very good trade machine player. ;)

Lets look at the basic of trading, any trading.

1. More buyers lead to more demand, in general, then lead to higher price.
2. More sellers lead to more supply, in general, then lead to lower price.
3. The longer time it takes, the more flexibility a team has to make a package another side would want.
4. The longer time it takes, the infomation both side would get which may or may not lead to higher (or lower price).

Okay, if those are agreed then I try to explain why I don't think it is the best deal. Indeed I think it is quite a horrible deal.

First, there was only a few teams knowing that Mills wanted to trade KP. Fiz probably didn't know too. (not surprised)

https://nypost.com/2019/01/11/fizdale-couldnt-bear-to-watch-porzingis-impressive-workout/

As latest as Jan 11, Fiz said,“Today, I walked by and just put my hand up [in front of my face] because it’s just for me, it’s like, ‘God, I’ve got this 7-foot beast here,’”

But Perry said they have been searching a deal for months, right? It seems one of them must be dishonest, or they are just covering for their boss.

Second, how do I know Knicks didn't do enough to ask for a better deal? Because the trade caught a lot of teams by surprise.

I didn't say it, Howard Beck said it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818745-either-the-knicks-are-getting-kd-or-they-just-made-the-worst-trade-ever

The deal was made so quickly that most teams had no idea Porzingis was even available, which means they had no opportunity to make the Knicks a better offer.

"They absolutely did not do due diligence," one source said.

More buyers, higher price, and vice versa.

NBA is full of leakers. If you call every team for months, the leakers on other teams would leak it that you want to trade. This is why the trading of superstars are hard to be kept as secert.

No leaking, I wonder why.

Third, the timing.

I have to ask why do we have to trade away KP now? Because his agent said KP would only take QO? Then why don't we trade him at deadline, or even next off-season? Why is it so hurry? We want to tank right? Why do we need the cap now? The longer we wait, the better deal we will have because other team can make rooms to take we don't want and give us what we want.

People would probably ask there is a risk the longer it takes, the lower the price is. It is not correct in this case, because KP camp has already told everyone they would only sign QO, and currently he doesn't play a damn game to prove he is healthy. Now is the worst time to trade him.

QO doesn't mean a thing if the new team has the confidence to resign him, like Cuban is. He called it bluff, and probably rightfully so.

The price would be higher if KP would play some meaningless games or play in the summer league. Why now? a lot of teams on the safe side pushes the price lower.

Fourth, off-season is alway a better trading time because we have more flexibility too. THJr and Lee contracts will be one year shorter, and thus would give us a better deal if we do not care about FA. (obviously, Knicks do)

That is why I said it can't be the best deal. I am going to tell you it is much worse.

It was not a meeting, it was a setup, it was a trap.

No one could make a deal in such short time even as Mills wanted to. Because another team Mav is not a **** team, they really needed time to make a package. They have to check on contracts, timing and the willingness of their players. Knicks had to inform Mav they want to trade much earlier to give mav time to put an offer on the table, which means before the meeting the basic framework is already there. They wanted to trade, and they would.

So why did they still have a meeting if everything was already finished? Because Mills needed KP camp making a threat, like "if you don't do that we will not be a Knicks, we will only do QO". He needed the word and thus now he could trade him. The meeting last only 5 minutes because nothing to be discussed. Mills just needed the word leaked out and everything is history.

In Howard Beck's reporting,

And that's what had rival general managers gagging on their afternoon lattes.

"It's never happened," one veteran exec said. "Teams have given up unprotected picks. But no one's ever traded an established star, an established commodity, just to clear money."

Of course the exec felt confused, because it is not a trade, it is power struggle. Sooner or later KP camp would get Mills killed, like they killed Phil Jackson. A prez and a rising superstar? How many time the management could survive in this situation? But Mills does. He is amazing.

I am not sure if KP wanted to be here, but I am pretty sure he didn't want to go to Mav. Does any sane player would tell another team he would only sign QO if he wanted to go there? What is the point? He said so because he didn't want to be traded. If KP camp said wherever he goes, he would only sign QO, it could only mean

He wanted to be here. He wanted to be a Knicks.

It is a very painful thing to think about.

Your response is complete fluff and not based on any type of reality. I don’t need you to spin the Trade Checker but you have completely skirted any type of direct response.

CrushAlot wrote:Nothing this front office has done has been leaked. I am speculating here but I think the Knicks were exploring what they could get for KP and were presented with a package from the mags that they really liked. I think they brought in KP to see if he wanted to be a Knick and decided to make the deal based on his response.
IN regards to Phil, I loved the hire and was very excited about a Pres finally having autonomy. Phil’s job performance soured me on Phil. In regards to believing everything I hear about Phil, that is not the case. I try to be thorough before passing judgement or accepting accusations as truth. There are some media sources that are more trustworthy and reliable. I think if you are hearing, and reading things from sources that do not have a credibility issue you have to at least believe there is something to it. Phil was really bad at his job. There is a lot out there about the rift he created with Porzingis. Porzingis loved NY but he came to the knicks during a time of horrible mismanagement.

I always think Mills is a leaker because local media usually are pretty forgiving when things come to him, and media only loves two kinds of persons, winners or leakers.

Clearly Mills didn't win much at the past.

It is not that Phil didn't deserve the hate but who would take the seat when he was gone? I just didn't want the ball back to the inner circle of Dolan. It seems fans do not mind it a bit as long as they keep the pick and/or caps. With them they can dream all the years what they would get. Doncic or Zion? LBJ or KD? The end (spoiler: no FA would be here, and 86% Zion would not) does not matter. The journey does. Fans always pay the price, psychically and mentally. Who am I to argue what they truly want? It is always how things get done in this town. I am starting to get it.

PhilinLA wrote:I've been a Knick fan my whole life, but I hate their FO right now.

I've been a NYer all my life and can't stand guys thinking they can come and throw their imaginary weight around. If reports of Janus' negotiating tactics are true, then it's grab your ankles or kick the bums out. I vote for the latter.