Pg: DSJr
Sg: Klay
Sf: KD
Pf: AD/KD
C: AD

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

nyknickzingis wrote:According to Ian Begley the reason NO didn’t want KP in a trade for AD is they felt KP was not staying in New Orleans. Now ask how would a team be sure of that? Simple ... one phone call to KPs agent. Once KP finds out that he was offered for AD he says F this, I’m forcing a trade to a place I can actually grow or stay with longterm. Dallas with the Dirk and Luka connection were obvious for him.

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:According to Ian Begley the reason NO didn’t want KP in a trade for AD is they felt KP was not staying in New Orleans. Now ask how would a team be sure of that? Simple ... one phone call to KPs agent. Once KP finds out that he was offered for AD he says F this, I’m forcing a trade to a place I can actually grow or stay with longterm. Dallas with the Dirk and Luka connection were obvious for him.

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

KP didn’t force a trade to Dallas. Initially it was reported by Shams that he notified the Mavs he was only signing his qualifying offer. There was only one team in the nba that had 40 million in expirings, draft assets, and a young lottery pick point guard that the Knicks wanted. When KP wouldn’t commit to the Knicks, the front office sent him to the one team that could satisfy all their needs. KP had no say in where he was traded. Wojnreported that he had a list of teams that he wanted to be moved to and Dallas was not on the list.
K

Crush, where do you think KP ultimately wants to be?

Killa4luv wrote:1. His rehab wasn't going well and they didn't think he'd be the same.
2. They KNOW Kevin Durant is coming, and want to create room for him & Kyrie and his trade request
provided an oppurtunity for them to do so.
3. There is a follow up trade that brings AD to the Knicks but that involves Enes Kanter & our pick.

I think #2 alone if true justifies the move by itself. We opened up cap space for 2 maxes easy with acquired assets to trade for 3 potentially. But even if they dont get the 3rd guy it still made sense unless there was a very strong possibility to keep him and still be able to find a way to shed enough salary to bring in another big 2. They could also believe his body type/ playing style would not hold up well and that wouldn't necessarily be an outlandish judgement.

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:According to Ian Begley the reason NO didn’t want KP in a trade for AD is they felt KP was not staying in New Orleans. Now ask how would a team be sure of that? Simple ... one phone call to KPs agent. Once KP finds out that he was offered for AD he says F this, I’m forcing a trade to a place I can actually grow or stay with longterm. Dallas with the Dirk and Luka connection were obvious for him.

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

KP didn’t force a trade to Dallas. Initially it was reported by Shams that he notified the Mavs he was only signing his qualifying offer. There was only one team in the nba that had 40 million in expirings, draft assets, and a young lottery pick point guard that the Knicks wanted. When KP wouldn’t commit to the Knicks, the front office sent him to the one team that could satisfy all their needs. KP had no say in where he was traded. Wojnreported that he had a list of teams that he wanted to be moved to and Dallas was not on the list.
K

Crush, where do you think KP ultimately wants to be?

Woj had a list of teams he mentioned on his podcast with Bobby Marks. The two I remember are the Spurs and the Nets. I think the Clippers might have been on the list but I am not positive b

And which of those teams would have given up 2 first rounders (one unprotected), taken all our crap contracts and given up a young player? Remember there's no way in hell we'd send him to the nets, from a business point of view that would be a double disaster

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:According to Ian Begley the reason NO didn’t want KP in a trade for AD is they felt KP was not staying in New Orleans. Now ask how would a team be sure of that? Simple ... one phone call to KPs agent. Once KP finds out that he was offered for AD he says F this, I’m forcing a trade to a place I can actually grow or stay with longterm. Dallas with the Dirk and Luka connection were obvious for him.

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

KP didn’t force a trade to Dallas. Initially it was reported by Shams that he notified the Mavs he was only signing his qualifying offer. There was only one team in the nba that had 40 million in expirings, draft assets, and a young lottery pick point guard that the Knicks wanted. When KP wouldn’t commit to the Knicks, the front office sent him to the one team that could satisfy all their needs. KP had no say in where he was traded. Wojnreported that he had a list of teams that he wanted to be moved to and Dallas was not on the list.
K

Crush, where do you think KP ultimately wants to be?

Woj had a list of teams he mentioned on his podcast with Bobby Marks. The two I remember are the Spurs and the Nets. I think the Clippers might have been on the list but I am not positive b

And which of those teams would have given up 2 first rounders (one unprotected), taken all our crap contracts and given up a young player? Remember there's no way in hell we'd send him to the nets, from a business point of view that would be a double disaster

Initial reaction was that this trade was a joke. Helps hearing some better abgles. Fear I have is that the Knicks, as history shows, screw this up and sign 2nd tiers Faq to big contracts. Will keep the hope. Interesting on why he would pick the Nets? Understand playing for pop. Also,,seems strange that he would not like to stay with Luca.

Hopefully the new players dont ruin the tank, we get a very good draft pick, get lucky in draft and somehow het KD and Kyrie/Play. Good to be at game today.

Keep hope alive.

I would not be surprised if the first round picks came later, after some cajoling from Perry, who was able to convince Cuban that screwing Dolan so royally was going a step too far, and he had to let the Knicks save face just bit.

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:According to Ian Begley the reason NO didn’t want KP in a trade for AD is they felt KP was not staying in New Orleans. Now ask how would a team be sure of that? Simple ... one phone call to KPs agent. Once KP finds out that he was offered for AD he says F this, I’m forcing a trade to a place I can actually grow or stay with longterm. Dallas with the Dirk and Luka connection were obvious for him.

So this isn’t about injury or anything
This is about Knicks realizing they may have a shot at AD
And then if they have AD they need even more cap so they can get Kyrie and or KD
And KP once he realized their plans - did what’s best for him.

I hope Knicks get AD ... but I’m not sure they will
Not sure they will get the free agents in the summer either

KP didn’t force a trade to Dallas. Initially it was reported by Shams that he notified the Mavs he was only signing his qualifying offer. There was only one team in the nba that had 40 million in expirings, draft assets, and a young lottery pick point guard that the Knicks wanted. When KP wouldn’t commit to the Knicks, the front office sent him to the one team that could satisfy all their needs. KP had no say in where he was traded. Wojnreported that he had a list of teams that he wanted to be moved to and Dallas was not on the list.
K

Feeling was that the talk regarding "Teams being unaware" was probably only teams that did not have the combined assets that were better than what Mavs offered. Trying to figure out what harm would have been done, to Mavs offer, if the Knicks would have vetted this further until trade deadline or waited until the off season when teams have more flexibility.

I think there were timing issues involved with KP's cap hold and available cap space that made it necessary to have KPs decision sooner, rather than later. It's already been stated, but there were only a handful of teams that had what needed in terms of assets and cap flexibility. A week is enough time for Janis and is team to squash deals through backchannels. Then we might risk having to settle for the deal that best suits Team Porzingis instead of Team Knicks.