Vmart wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.
Perry has had to clean up Phil’s mess with Noah, Melo and Lee’s contracts. I think the front office likes Dotson and will be patient with Frank. Frank’s lack of offense makes it hard to have him on the court all the time. Hopefully that improves as he continues to develop. Drafting a guy as young as Knox is a sign that they are willing to be patient and let guys develop. I do think if they know they can sign Durant any of the kids could be moved to get a team to take Lee or Hardaway.
Phil had to clean up the previous mess. He had 2 first round picks in 4 years. It’s not like the Knicks were under the cap either. So let’s see he picked up a franchise player in KP, Nitlikina, Dotson and Kornet.
Phil got Melo to the point where he waived his no trade which by the way he never would have done. He was being straight forward with Melo and telling him his game sucked. OKC and Rockets telling him the same basically indirectly. Remember they don’t have a no trade claus to deal with. I agree he should never have given him a NTC or even a contract but it’s a business and Melo still has a large contingency of fans who swear by his game. And still a business to sell jerseys and all.
What have Perry and Mills done but sign a bunch projects and hoping they stick. Hezonja horrific, Mudiay serviceable but I don’t see him as an answer and do you want to pay for his services going forward? Now you have Vonleah I like that signing but he is in for a payday and he is UFA. Mills signs THJ while I don’t mind this signing. Timmy can be a good player and is a good player but he is better served as a third option but thinks he is first option.
Just hat are the young Knicks learning? No system no passing no execution of plays if you like one on one basketball these Knicks are just what the doctor ordered for you. If you want passing and team play man that isn’t going to happen here. Not with the abysmal hiring of Fizz. Who hasn’t a clue of team management and development.
You want that number one overall pick I want that too and losing is the best way right now. But teach the kids damn basketball. Teach them a system to go forward with. So at least they know what to come next year instead of starting all over again. Mills, Perry and Fizz is a losing team.
Perry is terrible and he manages to choose the wrong guys over the promising ones. Like Oladipo wasn’t chosen over Payten or Hezonja. Some will say he wasn’t the GM but he was part of decision making process. Fizz has been a coattailing it all through his career. He is just plain awful. He is good for the tank his best attribute. If the Knicks brass wants to tank again next year they would be wise to bring him back.
There is a difference between perry and Mills. The difference is Mills has always been about execution of offense since his Princeton days and he knows that execution has a way of winning and making up for talent. Mills is a system guy and perry and Fizz not so much.
There will be change over soon.
I agree with a lot of this. I will reserve judgment on Fizz for the time being, hoping that he is actually trying to lose. Because if he is trying to win, he sucks. He also needs to talk less, promise less.
I don't mind losing and expect that we'll lose a lot -- it's the way we're losing. I still believe in system basketball on both ends of the court.
Phil had a great plan in that regard, getting players, all coaches, management, even the D-league on the same page about the type of system and players they wanted. Unfortunately (kind of like Idzik with the Jets) he had terrible execution. when Phil at least dabbled as a GM he had a number of mistakes with lasting consequences, e.g., Noah. (I think some of the flubs he's criticized for (e.g., Melo) he's over-criticized for. He hoped to transform Melo into a more well rounded Melo. He had succeeded with stuff like that before as a coach, and it seemed like a reasonable enough idea to add value to the team) And, it could also be the case that the Triangle was a terrible system to build around for any of a number of reasons. But I vividly recall him saying very many times he was not wed to the Triangle so much, as a system that involved player movement and passing (BTW If Kerr hadn't backed out of his verbal deal with Phil, a lot of the threads on this board might be very different).
At the moment, I see nothing hopeful with this team. They are playing selfish and often clueless basketball. There is no identity. Perhaps panglossian, but I'm hoping this is part of some genius plot for players to work on their individual skills while purposefully trying to lose and add more talent, and that next year Fizz takes the wraps off of his secrete offensive and defensive schemes.
