GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Playing these youngsters and winning, also shows how bad the vets are, as a team. Money Mitch is a G league player getting starter minutes. That's the best experience to have. I bet if he went to the G league now, he would destroy them, just based on his few games of experience and confidence.

I'm also tired of seeing the vets get all the minutes, due to political reasons like Kanters contract year. Either there's a bigger strategy I'm not aware of, benching Kanter whos one of the most popular enforcers on the team, is a huge risk of losing him. But Kanter in my opinion, is a bench player on a good team. Durant is taller than Kanter, which is crazy when you think about it. I didn't realize it until the GS game.

Benching Kanter this early in the season, after one bad game, was a questionable move because the Knicks already have a bad rep when it comes to the way they treat their people. Be it coaches or players.

Dont believe Fizdale wants a rep as a frontrunner. A guy who is willing to push aside a proven vet, who is still producing at a high level. For the next shiny object.

Kanter need to humble a bit. He is not all-star by any stretch.
Being a best big on really bad team means nothing. Numbers will come automatically.
He needs to play way better defense and stretch the court at least a bit to have any consideration.
And he is not even close to doing this. I doubt he can.
He need to put his expectations in order and benching should help him in long run to stay in himself.

After one bad game against an elite big, when he's on his game. Sure lets bench everyone after one bad game. Because they need to be humbled. And they arent as good as they think they are. Barf.

This is not one game. You can take any game last year or this.
He redounds and can finish around the basket. That's it.
He is at best not hurting the team and he cannot play in the 4th.
Typical solid backup in todays NBA.
If he want to stay for 8-10 mils per it will be fine and only if no better option available.

Try looking at his box score some time, try looking how he abuses other bigs, and often gets the best of them. Kanter's D has been better. He has been passing better since the start of the season. Came back in even better shape. Is arguably the hardest worker on the floor. Has taken hard hits, without missing games. Has been a vocal leader, and a culture changing player.

You bench a player like that, just a few games into the season. After just one bad game (which happens to be vs coach's old team) you arent doing your rep as a coach any favors.

Right after you were let go from another team for the same problem.

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Playing these youngsters and winning, also shows how bad the vets are, as a team. Money Mitch is a G league player getting starter minutes. That's the best experience to have. I bet if he went to the G league now, he would destroy them, just based on his few games of experience and confidence.

I'm also tired of seeing the vets get all the minutes, due to political reasons like Kanters contract year. Either there's a bigger strategy I'm not aware of, benching Kanter whos one of the most popular enforcers on the team, is a huge risk of losing him. But Kanter in my opinion, is a bench player on a good team. Durant is taller than Kanter, which is crazy when you think about it. I didn't realize it until the GS game.

Benching Kanter this early in the season, after one bad game, was a questionable move because the Knicks already have a bad rep when it comes to the way they treat their people. Be it coaches or players.

Dont believe Fizdale wants a rep as a frontrunner. A guy who is willing to push aside a proven vet, who is still producing at a high level. For the next shiny object.

Kanter need to humble a bit. He is not all-star by any stretch.
Being a best big on really bad team means nothing. Numbers will come automatically.
He needs to play way better defense and stretch the court at least a bit to have any consideration.
And he is not even close to doing this. I doubt he can.
He need to put his expectations in order and benching should help him in long run to stay in himself.

After one bad game against an elite big, when he's on his game. Sure lets bench everyone after one bad game. Because they need to be humbled. And they arent as good as they think they are. Barf.

This is not one game. You can take any game last year or this.
He redounds and can finish around the basket. That's it.
He is at best not hurting the team and he cannot play in the 4th.
Typical solid backup in todays NBA.
If he want to stay for 8-10 mils per it will be fine and only if no better option available.

Try looking at his box score some time, try looking how he abuses other bigs, and often gets the best of them. Kanter's D has been better. He has been passing better since the start of the season. Came back in even better shape. Is arguably the hardest worker on the floor. Has taken hard hits, without missing games. Has been a vocal leader, and a culture changing player.

You bench a player like that, just a few games into the season. After just one bad game (which happens to be vs coach's old team) you arent doing your rep as a coach any favors.

Right after you were let go from another team for the same problem.

Dude, we were 1-5. Sometimes you shake things up based the entire starting five, not the individuals. It's not unusual for one of your five best players to help the team more coming off the bench. Whatever Fiz wanted to change he thought this starting five would accomplish what he was looking for. I'm sure he explained that to Kanter, Burke and Thomas.

Going to have a hard time convincing me that we are 1-5 because of Kanter. If he was playing like a scrub, or just mediocre, Id get it. Other starters with more room for improvement IMO.

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Playing these youngsters and winning, also shows how bad the vets are, as a team. Money Mitch is a G league player getting starter minutes. That's the best experience to have. I bet if he went to the G league now, he would destroy them, just based on his few games of experience and confidence.

I'm also tired of seeing the vets get all the minutes, due to political reasons like Kanters contract year. Either there's a bigger strategy I'm not aware of, benching Kanter whos one of the most popular enforcers on the team, is a huge risk of losing him. But Kanter in my opinion, is a bench player on a good team. Durant is taller than Kanter, which is crazy when you think about it. I didn't realize it until the GS game.

Benching Kanter this early in the season, after one bad game, was a questionable move because the Knicks already have a bad rep when it comes to the way they treat their people. Be it coaches or players.

Dont believe Fizdale wants a rep as a frontrunner. A guy who is willing to push aside a proven vet, who is still producing at a high level. For the next shiny object.

Kanter need to humble a bit. He is not all-star by any stretch.
Being a best big on really bad team means nothing. Numbers will come automatically.
He needs to play way better defense and stretch the court at least a bit to have any consideration.
And he is not even close to doing this. I doubt he can.
He need to put his expectations in order and benching should help him in long run to stay in himself.

After one bad game against an elite big, when he's on his game. Sure lets bench everyone after one bad game. Because they need to be humbled. And they arent as good as they think they are. Barf.

This is not one game. You can take any game last year or this.
He redounds and can finish around the basket. That's it.
He is at best not hurting the team and he cannot play in the 4th.
Typical solid backup in todays NBA.
If he want to stay for 8-10 mils per it will be fine and only if no better option available.

Try looking at his box score some time, try looking how he abuses other bigs, and often gets the best of them. Kanter's D has been better. He has been passing better since the start of the season. Came back in even better shape. Is arguably the hardest worker on the floor. Has taken hard hits, without missing games. Has been a vocal leader, and a culture changing player.

You bench a player like that, just a few games into the season. After just one bad game (which happens to be vs coach's old team) you arent doing your rep as a coach any favors.

Right after you were let go from another team for the same problem.

Dude, we were 1-5. Sometimes you shake things up based the entire starting five, not the individuals. It's not unusual for one of your five best players to help the team more coming off the bench. Whatever Fiz wanted to change he thought this starting five would accomplish what he was looking for. I'm sure he explained that to Kanter, Burke and Thomas.

Going to have a hard time convincing me that we are 1-5 because of Kanter. If he was playing like a scrub, or just mediocre, Id get it. Other starters with more room for improvement IMO.

And I think that's where you're looking at this wrong. It's not about individual blame. I assuming Fiz thought some of the attributes Robinson and the other two brought would yield better collective results. I think you're looking at this strictly as a punitive thing towards Kanter. Fiz is searching for a combination that clicked.

It is punitive for a vet who isnt playing poorly. 6 games into the season A player who was putting up double doubles, for a rook.

Changing the culture to me is giving a starter a fair shot to keep his job.

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Playing these youngsters and winning, also shows how bad the vets are, as a team. Money Mitch is a G league player getting starter minutes. That's the best experience to have. I bet if he went to the G league now, he would destroy them, just based on his few games of experience and confidence.

I'm also tired of seeing the vets get all the minutes, due to political reasons like Kanters contract year. Either there's a bigger strategy I'm not aware of, benching Kanter whos one of the most popular enforcers on the team, is a huge risk of losing him. But Kanter in my opinion, is a bench player on a good team. Durant is taller than Kanter, which is crazy when you think about it. I didn't realize it until the GS game.

Benching Kanter this early in the season, after one bad game, was a questionable move because the Knicks already have a bad rep when it comes to the way they treat their people. Be it coaches or players.

Dont believe Fizdale wants a rep as a frontrunner. A guy who is willing to push aside a proven vet, who is still producing at a high level. For the next shiny object.

Kanter need to humble a bit. He is not all-star by any stretch.
Being a best big on really bad team means nothing. Numbers will come automatically.
He needs to play way better defense and stretch the court at least a bit to have any consideration.
And he is not even close to doing this. I doubt he can.
He need to put his expectations in order and benching should help him in long run to stay in himself.

After one bad game against an elite big, when he's on his game. Sure lets bench everyone after one bad game. Because they need to be humbled. And they arent as good as they think they are. Barf.

This is not one game. You can take any game last year or this.
He redounds and can finish around the basket. That's it.
He is at best not hurting the team and he cannot play in the 4th.
Typical solid backup in todays NBA.
If he want to stay for 8-10 mils per it will be fine and only if no better option available.

Try looking at his box score some time, try looking how he abuses other bigs, and often gets the best of them. Kanter's D has been better. He has been passing better since the start of the season. Came back in even better shape. Is arguably the hardest worker on the floor. Has taken hard hits, without missing games. Has been a vocal leader, and a culture changing player.

You bench a player like that, just a few games into the season. After just one bad game (which happens to be vs coach's old team) you arent doing your rep as a coach any favors.

Right after you were let go from another team for the same problem.

Dude, we were 1-5. Sometimes you shake things up based the entire starting five, not the individuals. It's not unusual for one of your five best players to help the team more coming off the bench. Whatever Fiz wanted to change he thought this starting five would accomplish what he was looking for. I'm sure he explained that to Kanter, Burke and Thomas.

Going to have a hard time convincing me that we are 1-5 because of Kanter. If he was playing like a scrub, or just mediocre, Id get it. Other starters with more room for improvement IMO.

And I think that's where you're looking at this wrong. It's not about individual blame. I assuming Fiz thought some of the attributes Robinson and the other two brought would yield better collective results. I think you're looking at this strictly as a punitive thing towards Kanter. Fiz is searching for a combination that clicked.

It is punitive for a vet who isnt playing poorly. 6 games into the season A player who was putting up double doubles, for a rook.

Changing the culture to me is giving a starter a fair shot to keep his job.

It’s a good point and for a player vying for a new contract and performing to his ability. Let’s be honest, Enes is a good player and perhaps one that came to us as a alter of value because of his contract in the Melo trade. Noah was to come off suspension. Also this was Perry’s first big task and we were rolling with Hornacek at that moment going forward. With Fiz and a double down to rebuild the “right way” Enes despite his lobbying to retire a knick might not correspond with the Knicks vision of the future. Is it “fair”? Perhaps not. $Mitch does not earn this starting role but Knicks are taking a bold step investing in this kid early and perhaps as important as any other player his acquisition in the second round and potential emergence might prove to be the kind of opportune even knick fans have prayed for years to happen! Luck is born from opportunity. Knicks seizing the potential. Best to see what is there EARLY and perhaps able to mold decisions based on that. Maybe a contending team needs his services and can trade a protected late 1st round or early 2nd to make a playoff run at the deadline in the even one of their frontline guys goes down. He’d be a short term rental for them and an asset obtained for us.
I like Enes. He has been ostracized by his homeland and plays hard. He has the balls to speak out about what he feels is injustice in Turkey.