Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:and get a nice high draft pick, let the yoots play......>But losing 50+ games will suck.
Remember you won't have a good fuzzy feeling for some our players even though they are the future.
If KP even plays, he'll be limited. He has to be.
Frank will be better, but he won't be a finished product and some of you have limited imagination.
Knox might look awful at times. If Fiz is going to mature him, he might have to physically grow before the talent can shine.
Mitchell might just foul out every game. But he'll learn from it.
its all good but it will feel awful. Uncle Nalod just reminding you rebuilding is a process and it will hurt at times.
Some of you will accuse me and others as being "not caring" or "sugar coating it"....but its not that, its just the path to success has to be this way. Its a process and pain is included.
Good luck fellas. BTW, I hope Im wrong as hell!!!!

This may seem negative but right now Im not convinved anyway outside of KP is a building block piece. Knox has been brutal. Awful shot selection, awful descion making, out of control drives into the paint with prayer heaves. The guy is shooting 33%. Frank is so bad offensivly he makes Lance Thoams look like Kevin Durant ( Yes an Exaggeration but not by much). I'm already convinved he is not starter. DIdn't like him when we drafted him still haven't seen enough of him to believe he is anything more than a backup guard. Im hoping we end the charade and get a real pg this off-season. Hardaway has improved but I would still drop him for cap space. Trier looks alright he could be a rotation player. Always room for microwave offense off the bench, Mitchell RObinson could be a rotation player - lots of energy above average rim protector - great contract. I have seen very little to be positive about.
We have 2 legitimate NBA starters Kristaps and Hardaway jr. I pray to god we are able to get a 3rd and 4th one this off-season. We have fallen twice on draft day its time for things to go our way this time. If we are lucky enough to get Williamsom I look to move Knox. Not crazy about a WIlliamson, Knox, Porzingis frontcourt.

Knox missed 7 games, so we taking about less than 10 games into his career. On any teams sniffing .500 he would to be a starter. Or would have Frank. Not sure we even draft Mitch or he just becomes a “Christian Wood” type low % project. Trier would not have opportunity to play as he has.
There is little to be enthusiastic about other than the knicks are a team of opportunities because its depleted. We are not “Rebuilding” because it might assume there was something to begin with.
Yes, only KP is legit and he is suspect because of his height and health.
But........
This why they are interesting. For some that are on fire its about results that are not there.
Could we have imagined this scenario 12 months ago? New coach’s, few settled roster spots, drafting blue chips but very young and raw? So when we say this will take a few years and after 15-16 games we are lacking enthusiasm is it really that surprising? If you bought the SL hype and thought it would carry over (rarely does) then I suppose so.
I’m not clairvoyant enough to predict how this team unfolds and thus won’t attach myself to anything other than enjoying the games to see how this young group works tru or DOES NOT. It’s. Drama that unfolds for a few years.
Knox and Frank are really young and show POTENTIAL. Robinson too. KP is a cornerstone as will our next pick. Knicks have money and upside. Durant is not stupid, he does not have to see things to know the potential. If he is down being part of a process and not a ready made team then perhaps living in NY is what he wants and the experience of being part of a growth. Lebron is doing this. Sometimes legacies are already set. I’m hanging on to this hope. I’m not delusional.
Fiz is also a growth potential. We don’t need players and FO that has proven in other areas. We have done that many times and itself does not guarantee success. Can’t snap our fingers and just acquire talent. It takes time.
Knicks messed up for years. Starting from zero is painful but sometimes you have to understand as a fan just how bad it is. How bad it was, and as Triple says we really have no choice but persue the long version.
16 games in. Call it what it is, A tank but one with purpose to develope. It’s a worthy process that should yield in time. Question is how much time? We don’t know. Our UK hater/critics are somehow repulsed by the lack results. It’s their choice. Seems foolish to think beyond logic and comprehension of what the team is doing. Media can sell that anger. I don’t buy it.
Wins don’t define my interest in this team.

Triangle still dead.
Old Knick fans wont let go of 90s style bball
Frank still not a lottery pick
Knox needs lots more bball IQ
THjr earning his money
Kanter still cant play D but our best rebounder and post player but gets no burn for aledgede better defenders.
Dotson, Voleh and Trier our best youngins thus far.
Mudiay still best PG
Bakers hair getting longer
KP still 120 lbs. and hurt.
Mario showing why he is yet another Euro flop
Thomas still our moral leader.
Lee still in Limbo
Noah still not earning his money.

But I love this team.

This is what so many teams that have built their future on one amd done 19 years old's (Or ones from France) are all going through. Looking forward to this summer when we hopefully add a provem star to the mix. The League really needs to put a stop to allowing kids to come out after one year. But only after the greedy NCAA agrees to pay their young athletes who are responsible for building their corporate institutions.

Nalod wrote:its all good but it will feel awful. Uncle Nalod just reminding you rebuilding is a process and it will hurt at times.
Some of you will accuse me and others as being "not caring" or "sugar coating it"....but its not that, its just the path to success has to be this way. Its a process and pain is included.

I see where you are coming from, and I get what the tone is supposed to be here, but no rational, functional and competent NBA front office will consider what you say to actually make sense.

The position you are really taking is it's going to suck now but it will pay off. This is not a functional front office mindset.

It MIGHT pay off. Odds are against it. But it's better than the alternative, which is zero chance at all.

Too many casual fans operate in absolutes. They think, oh , draft this dude this year, sign this guy next, then draft this guy and it will all work out. No one accounts for margin of error. Teams will miss on picks. Even elite ones.

"Rebuildng" and "Development" implies too much on outcome dependence.

It's really a "dart throw"

Using the NBA draft is throwing darts. But that 1 percent chance is better than zero percent chance.

There is no "Process" run by any NBA team. There are some loose guiding market principles and teams try to make the best choices they can given the time and place. Boston had no idea Kyrie Irving would be on the market. Houston had no long range plan to get James Harden. Complicated situations opened up narrow opportunities that can't be replicated.

If more people called it and recognized it as a basic "Dart Throw" then you'd see less arguing about what the Knicks have to do to get better.

Teams are fighting for OPPORTUNITY, not CERTAINTY. Many fans want to operate to certainty and it simply doesn't exist.

Nalod wrote: When I say “luck is when preparation and opportunity collide” is what the Celtics ate built on.

Did this knicks1248 fella really support Dolan and advocate for a lower draft pick in your sig? Are we sure it's not a troll account?

HofstraBBall wrote:Update deep into season...

Triangle still dead.
Old Knick fans wont let go of 90s style bball
Frank still not a lottery pick
Knox needs lots more bball IQ
THjr earning his money
Kanter still cant play D but our best rebounder and post player but gets no burn for aledgede better defenders.
Dotson, Voleh and Trier our best youngins thus far.
Mudiay still best PG
Bakers hair getting longer
KP still 120 lbs. and hurt.
Mario showing why he is yet another Euro flop
Thomas still our moral leader.
Lee still in Limbo
Noah still not earning his money.

But I love this team.

This is what so many teams that have built their future on one amd done 19 years old's (Or ones from France) are all going through. Looking forward to this summer when we hopefully add a provem star to the mix. The League really needs to put a stop to allowing kids to come out after one year. But only after the greedy NCAA agrees to pay their young athletes who are responsible for building their corporate institutions.

100% agree, except, I highly doubt the knicks sign any big names next off season, all 2nd tier, tim hardaway types

As far as the youngins, we just thrust them into the starting line up like that's going to get them better quicker.

We'll watch knox and Mitch get into foul trouble(fatigue and IQ) for most of the seasons rendering their season in effective

I wouldn't call Mario a flop though, kids got talent, he just makes some of the dumbest decisions

JamesKPolk wrote:

Nalod wrote: When I say “luck is when preparation and opportunity collide” is what the Celtics ate built on.

Did this knicks1248 fella really support Dolan and advocate for a lower draft pick in your sig? Are we sure it's not a troll account?

I did say that after watching the owners round table on NBA TV, and saw how much input these guys had in there teams, yet we want dolan nowhere near the team and expect this franchise to have success.

It's so bad with him because you really do need the owner to be part of the franchise, but dalan is so clueless, that you can't have him involved either, so it really a catch 22.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Update deep into season...

Triangle still dead.
Old Knick fans wont let go of 90s style bball
Frank still not a lottery pick
Knox needs lots more bball IQ
THjr earning his money
Kanter still cant play D but our best rebounder and post player but gets no burn for aledgede better defenders.
Dotson, Voleh and Trier our best youngins thus far.
Mudiay still best PG
Bakers hair getting longer
KP still 120 lbs. and hurt.
Mario showing why he is yet another Euro flop
Thomas still our moral leader.
Lee still in Limbo
Noah still not earning his money.

But I love this team.

This is what so many teams that have built their future on one amd done 19 years old's (Or ones from France) are all going through. Looking forward to this summer when we hopefully add a provem star to the mix. The League really needs to put a stop to allowing kids to come out after one year. But only after the greedy NCAA agrees to pay their young athletes who are responsible for building their corporate institutions.

100% agree, except, I highly doubt the knicks sign any big names next off season, all 2nd tier, tim hardaway types

As far as the youngins, we just thrust them into the starting line up like that's going to get them better quicker.

We'll watch knox and Mitch get into foul trouble(fatigue and IQ) for most of the seasons rendering their season in effective

I wouldn't call Mario a flop though, kids got talent, he just makes some of the dumbest decisions

dumbest decisions for a high potential talent guy is the definition of a flop

IDK dude.. JR smith has made some of the dumbest decisions I ever seen?

Mario is definitely tinkering on the edge of a complete bust, and like I said in another thread, some Euro players are just not cut out for the NBA despite their talents

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:People already talking about trading Knox? Incredible.

where did you hear that?

It's suggested earlier in this thread, thats all.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:People already talking about trading Knox? Incredible.

where did you hear that?

It's suggested earlier in this thread, thats all.

Naw, you go to other forums and you can see Knox rumblings. Ridiculous considering his age and the lack of continuity in our lineups from game to game. Plus, the dude has played a total of 10 NBA games.

Knox just turned 19 (could easily be a college freshman) and has already had some flashes. With him it's about confidence first and foremost. But he has some serious talent and will figure it out. I'm really optimistic about him. I don't care about his shooting %, he is tailored made for today's NBA as a 2-way forward.

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:and get a nice high draft pick, let the yoots play......>But losing 50+ games will suck.
Remember you won't have a good fuzzy feeling for some our players even though they are the future.
If KP even plays, he'll be limited. He has to be.
Frank will be better, but he won't be a finished product and some of you have limited imagination.
Knox might look awful at times. If Fiz is going to mature him, he might have to physically grow before the talent can shine.
Mitchell might just foul out every game. But he'll learn from it.
its all good but it will feel awful. Uncle Nalod just reminding you rebuilding is a process and it will hurt at times.
Some of you will accuse me and others as being "not caring" or "sugar coating it"....but its not that, its just the path to success has to be this way. Its a process and pain is included.
Good luck fellas. BTW, I hope Im wrong as hell!!!!

This may seem negative but right now Im not convinved anyway outside of KP is a building block piece. Knox has been brutal. Awful shot selection, awful descion making, out of control drives into the paint with prayer heaves. The guy is shooting 33%. Frank is so bad offensivly he makes Lance Thoams look like Kevin Durant ( Yes an Exaggeration but not by much). I'm already convinved he is not starter. DIdn't like him when we drafted him still haven't seen enough of him to believe he is anything more than a backup guard. Im hoping we end the charade and get a real pg this off-season. Hardaway has improved but I would still drop him for cap space. Trier looks alright he could be a rotation player. Always room for microwave offense off the bench, Mitchell RObinson could be a rotation player - lots of energy above average rim protector - great contract. I have seen very little to be positive about.
We have 2 legitimate NBA starters Kristaps and Hardaway jr. I pray to god we are able to get a 3rd and 4th one this off-season. We have fallen twice on draft day its time for things to go our way this time. If we are lucky enough to get Williamsom I look to move Knox. Not crazy about a WIlliamson, Knox, Porzingis frontcourt.

Knox missed 7 games, so we taking about less than 10 games into his career. On any teams sniffing .500 he would to be a starter. Or would have Frank. Not sure we even draft Mitch or he just becomes a “Christian Wood” type low % project. Trier would not have opportunity to play as he has.
There is little to be enthusiastic about other than the knicks are a team of opportunities because its depleted. We are not “Rebuilding” because it might assume there was something to begin with.
Yes, only KP is legit and he is suspect because of his height and health.
But........
This why they are interesting. For some that are on fire its about results that are not there.
Could we have imagined this scenario 12 months ago? New coach’s, few settled roster spots, drafting blue chips but very young and raw? So when we say this will take a few years and after 15-16 games we are lacking enthusiasm is it really that surprising? If you bought the SL hype and thought it would carry over (rarely does) then I suppose so.
I’m not clairvoyant enough to predict how this team unfolds and thus won’t attach myself to anything other than enjoying the games to see how this young group works tru or DOES NOT. It’s. Drama that unfolds for a few years.
Knox and Frank are really young and show POTENTIAL. Robinson too. KP is a cornerstone as will our next pick. Knicks have money and upside. Durant is not stupid, he does not have to see things to know the potential. If he is down being part of a process and not a ready made team then perhaps living in NY is what he wants and the experience of being part of a growth. Lebron is doing this. Sometimes legacies are already set. I’m hanging on to this hope. I’m not delusional.
Fiz is also a growth potential. We don’t need players and FO that has proven in other areas. We have done that many times and itself does not guarantee success. Can’t snap our fingers and just acquire talent. It takes time.
Knicks messed up for years. Starting from zero is painful but sometimes you have to understand as a fan just how bad it is. How bad it was, and as Triple says we really have no choice but persue the long version.
16 games in. Call it what it is, A tank but one with purpose to develope. It’s a worthy process that should yield in time. Question is how much time? We don’t know. Our UK hater/critics are somehow repulsed by the lack results. It’s their choice. Seems foolish to think beyond logic and comprehension of what the team is doing. Media can sell that anger. I don’t buy it.
Wins don’t define my interest in this team.

I actually happen to like Fiz's changing the approach every 15 minutes. Mitch Rob's time is a nod to defense. Don't ask Bradley and Clyde and Rashweed to come talk and play with the boys if you're not going to prioritize D and you're going to play Kanter. The rest of his current approach seems to be the quote of his I heard on WFAN the other day:

"I'm going to play Knox against the best offensive players in the league so he can get beat and learn how to play the best offensive players in the league"

But just like Triple says, how long can these kids play at an NBA pace without losing too much ligaments and cartilage? But what's the alternative? Building up Kanter and Lee and Lance's trade value? Pass.