Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

thats exactly what I was saying. perhaps Marbury now trumps Payton, but not by a lot--there is no big difference between the two players imho. Im not talking about 4 years from now Im talking today.
When i read that someone compared Pierce to marbury, of course my natural thought is why are you comparing a PG to a SF/SG when they have Gary Payton? It's ludicrous to dismiss Gary Payton somehow as a guy who is shot or who is way below they play of Marbury when statistics don't show any differnce. remember gary Payton has been 1st team all NBA 8 times, top 5 MVP ballooting 5 times and has carried his teams to the finals and deep into the playoffs several years--he did play poorly in last years playoffs and really didnt mesh with the way they were doing things there, but like Marbury with almost every game in the Olympics--take the player out of his element and change his style--and you can take away that players game.

I compared Pierce to Marbury. Payton is good and he'll put up numbers, but he's no superstar, not anymore. Pierce is the superstar and leader of the Celtics. Marbury is the superstar and leader of the Knicks. At the end of the game, the ball will be in their hands. Payton has a lot to prove and will be playing for a contract, but if you actually watched any games you would know his defense is wretched now and his offense has fallen down. Triangle or no, he looked slow last year. The Celtics CAN be good. The Knicks can too.

But to compare Payton to Marbury at this point is absurd. Marbury is the best point guard in the game with Kidd down for the count. Payton is an aging, cranky superstar who can't deal with his diminishing skill set. I'll say it one last time for you, Marbury is the best point guard in the league right this second and he's 27.

I think Payton's better than the garbage player he was in the playoffs. I could see him easily returning to being like a 15/7 player--light years below Marbury in effectiveness, but still a solid player. I agree that up until 2002 Marbury and Payton were at about the same level. In fact, I think Isiah 20 years ago was better than both of them. But this is 2004. Payton would kill Isiah on the court right now and Marbury beats Payton right now.

Why do you post numbers when Payton was 26--who cares? Payton put up the same numbers as Marbury two years ago. Im well aware that Marbury will play much longer and likely can trump Payton by a little now--thats isnt my arguement. My arguement was Marbury is not that much better than payton right now and that bringing in Payton upgraded the Boston roster a tremendous amount.

Its impossible to say GP has lost so much, because he was the fourth wheel behind Malone Kobe and Shaq. If you put Marbury as the PG in that system behind KOBE Shaq and Payton he wouldnt have much better numbers than what Payton had. Payton had a bad playoffs--it was obvious he was fed up and didnt care, but that doesnt mean he stinks!

Marbury had an AWFUL Olympics, there were knick fans posting in here that he stinks--no, he was out of his element. As for defense and rebounding you have to be kidding me. Gary is was and will always be a MUCH better defender and reboundr than Marbury--hes also a better % shooter from the field--even last year.

My arguement isnt that Payton is better--its that he upgrades the Celtics quite a bit at that position and he isnt that far behind Marbury in any standard.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why do you post numbers when Payton was 26--who cares? Payton put up the same numbers as Marbury two years ago. Im well aware that Marbury will play much longer and likely can trump Payton by a little now--thats isnt my arguement. My arguement was Marbury is not that much better than payton right now and that bringing in Payton upgraded the Boston roster a tremendous amount.

Its impossible to say GP has lost so much, because he was the fourth wheel behind Malone Kobe and Shaq. If you put Marbury as the PG in that system behind KOBE Shaq and Payton he wouldnt have much better numbers than what Payton had. Payton had a bad playoffs--it was obvious he was fed up and didnt care, but that doesnt mean he stinks!

Marbury had an AWFUL Olympics, there were knick fans posting in here that he stinks--no, he was out of his element. As for defense and rebounding you have to be kidding me. Gary is was and will always be a MUCH better defender and reboundr than Marbury--hes also a better % shooter from the field--even last year.

My arguement isnt that Payton is better--its that he upgrades the Celtics quite a bit at that position and he isnt that far behind Marbury in any standard.

Did you watch GP last year, man? To quote Jamie Foxx: That Glove had a hole in it last year. His defense is a joke man. He might be a better rebounder than Steph, he is about four inches taller than him, so you would hope he would be. But, this is about Knicks vs. Celtics and the Knicks have better rebounders than the Celtics. The Celtics CAN be good, but they have more question marks than most teams who have playoff hopes...

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why do you post numbers when Payton was 26--who cares? Payton put up the same numbers as Marbury two years ago. Im well aware that Marbury will play much longer and likely can trump Payton by a little now--thats isnt my arguement. My arguement was Marbury is not that much better than payton right now and that bringing in Payton upgraded the Boston roster a tremendous amount.

Its impossible to say GP has lost so much, because he was the fourth wheel behind Malone Kobe and Shaq. If you put Marbury as the PG in that system behind KOBE Shaq and Payton he wouldnt have much better numbers than what Payton had. Payton had a bad playoffs--it was obvious he was fed up and didnt care, but that doesnt mean he stinks!

Marbury had an AWFUL Olympics, there were knick fans posting in here that he stinks--no, he was out of his element. As for defense and rebounding you have to be kidding me. Gary is was and will always be a MUCH better defender and reboundr than Marbury--hes also a better % shooter from the field--even last year.

My arguement isnt that Payton is better--its that he upgrades the Celtics quite a bit at that position and he isnt that far behind Marbury in any standard.

Did you watch GP last year, man? To quote Jamie Foxx: That Glove had a hole in it last year.

Big LOL!