knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Camby 2.5

I think he might have a slightly different skillset than Camby. Camby was also super duper skinny (which definitely contributed to his injury problems) while Robinson seems to have some wirey strength in him.

He’s definitely playing like Camby right now though.

I think he will fit alongside KP much better than Willy could (and I liked Willy)

I also think The SHit has a tenacity and ferociousness to his game that Camby often lacked. We will see him getting feeds on breaks that will produce thunder.

His FT shooting is horrible though -- needs immediate attention

I agree, Camby didnt become a real force until he left NY. Played with more intensity in Denver. His injuries also subsided (until we got him back of course)

Remember those 20/20 games he was putting up in Denver, or somewhere in that range. Robinson is going to need to improve his footwork, to be able to make the most out of his athleticism.

Definitely going to be an upgrade from Willy. Hernangomez was more polished around the rim, but he didnt put in half the effort, defensively. Looking forward to seeing a front line of KP/Robinson. Defensively, they should be scary, if they learn to work together to cover each other's mistakes.

I can't under estimate what camby did when he was healthy, your talking about an era where there was a surplus of big men in the league.

KP and Mitch don't have any Big men in the east to deal with other than Embiid.

The most important part of their success will be our PG, and that's on BOTH ENDS.

I heard fiz is considering playing a line up of

Mitch- 7"
Kornet- 7"
Kp- 7 3"
knox- 6 9"
Frank-6 6"

Think that can work?

The bigs of today are better than those of the late 90’s and early 00’s when Camby was here. Antonio Davis, Theo Ratliff, and Jamaal Magloire were making All-Star teams then.

Mitch looks very impressive but weight training will be very important in his rookie season. He will be a great rim protector and P&R defender but will struggle mightily in the post. If he got destroyed and repeatedly exploited by Tony Bradley and Diamond Stone what do you think real NBA starting caliber centers will do to him?

It’s not only Embiid. How is he expected to defend behemoths like Drummond, Whiteside, Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez in Milwaukee, you also got Al Horford a perennial All-Star. The kid Myles Turner in Indiana.

knicks1248 wrote:

I heard fiz is considering playing a line up of

Mitch- 7"
Kornet- 7"
Kp- 7 3"
knox- 6 9"
Frank-6 6"

Think that can work?

Currently, in specific matchup situations, Yes. ( This kind of lineup might do very well in transition, Robinson can flat out fly for a big man)

Over the long haul, for THIS SEASON, No. It would be exploited.

For floor spacing, Zinger would be forced to be a Stretch 4/5 almost exclusively. Replacing Kornet long term with a 3 And D wing would help.

There are solid arguments that any NBA team should just put the five best players on the floor and then figure it out later. While "positions" might be fluid, floor spacing is not. Knicks need more long range shooters or they need Frank N and/or Knox to develop a legit three point shot in a hurry.

I recognize Mikal Bridges does not have the same ceiling as Knox, but his floor might end up being more balanced against a cohesive lineup.

What Fizdale is likely referring to is the size of functional wings is growing ( i.e. a Ben Simmons type) not that you can roll out a lineup of pivots and not get burned in matchups. A FUNCTIONAL jumbo wing is very useful, a tweener pivot is not so much. The size difference can sometimes be marginal between the two.

I love the Knicks, I want them to do well. But I recognize this team is gonna suffer quite a bit at this point because that's just how a full on rebuild goes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordade01.html

With that said, he has great hands and may have makings of better skills than a lot of quality bigs in recent history. Unlike Shaq and Howard (and Deandre and Camby and Chandler) his shooting form looks good. This bodes well for him developing some range beyond just around the basket.

When MR gets a reliable 3 pt shot. That's gonna be a ball handlers dream of spacing, lobs, & protection from the 2 of them.

With KP, MR, Knox, Frank all in place. The foundation may finally be set up to go after a young dynamo with the ball.

Would like to see what Thjr brings to the table as well with the new pieces. Can he mold his game to become more of a player maker?

STATMELO wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Camby 2.5

I think he might have a slightly different skillset than Camby. Camby was also super duper skinny (which definitely contributed to his injury problems) while Robinson seems to have some wirey strength in him.

He’s definitely playing like Camby right now though.

I think he will fit alongside KP much better than Willy could (and I liked Willy)

I also think The SHit has a tenacity and ferociousness to his game that Camby often lacked. We will see him getting feeds on breaks that will produce thunder.

His FT shooting is horrible though -- needs immediate attention

I agree, Camby didnt become a real force until he left NY. Played with more intensity in Denver. His injuries also subsided (until we got him back of course)

Remember those 20/20 games he was putting up in Denver, or somewhere in that range. Robinson is going to need to improve his footwork, to be able to make the most out of his athleticism.

Definitely going to be an upgrade from Willy. Hernangomez was more polished around the rim, but he didnt put in half the effort, defensively. Looking forward to seeing a front line of KP/Robinson. Defensively, they should be scary, if they learn to work together to cover each other's mistakes.

I can't under estimate what camby did when he was healthy, your talking about an era where there was a surplus of big men in the league.

KP and Mitch don't have any Big men in the east to deal with other than Embiid.

The most important part of their success will be our PG, and that's on BOTH ENDS.

I heard fiz is considering playing a line up of

Mitch- 7"
Kornet- 7"
Kp- 7 3"
knox- 6 9"
Frank-6 6"

Think that can work?

The bigs of today are better than those of the late 90’s and early 00’s when Camby was here. Antonio Davis, Theo Ratliff, and Jamaal Magloire were making All-Star teams then.

Mitch looks very impressive but weight training will be very important in his rookie season. He will be a great rim protector and P&R defender but will struggle mightily in the post. If he got destroyed and repeatedly exploited by Tony Bradley and Diamond Stone what do you think real NBA starting caliber centers will do to him?

It’s not only Embiid. How is he expected to defend behemoths like Drummond, Whiteside, Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez in Milwaukee, you also got Al Horford a perennial All-Star. The kid Myles Turner in Indiana.

Yeah, how he develops physically will make a huge difference on whether he becomes a legitimate starter or not. He may have to start hi career at forward

OldFan wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Camby 2.5

I think he might have a slightly different skillset than Camby. Camby was also super duper skinny (which definitely contributed to his injury problems) while Robinson seems to have some wirey strength in him.

He’s definitely playing like Camby right now though.

I think he will fit alongside KP much better than Willy could (and I liked Willy)

I also think The SHit has a tenacity and ferociousness to his game that Camby often lacked. We will see him getting feeds on breaks that will produce thunder.

His FT shooting is horrible though -- needs immediate attention

I agree, Camby didnt become a real force until he left NY. Played with more intensity in Denver. His injuries also subsided (until we got him back of course)

Remember those 20/20 games he was putting up in Denver, or somewhere in that range. Robinson is going to need to improve his footwork, to be able to make the most out of his athleticism.

Definitely going to be an upgrade from Willy. Hernangomez was more polished around the rim, but he didnt put in half the effort, defensively. Looking forward to seeing a front line of KP/Robinson. Defensively, they should be scary, if they learn to work together to cover each other's mistakes.

I can't under estimate what camby did when he was healthy, your talking about an era where there was a surplus of big men in the league.

KP and Mitch don't have any Big men in the east to deal with other than Embiid.

The most important part of their success will be our PG, and that's on BOTH ENDS.

I heard fiz is considering playing a line up of

Mitch- 7"
Kornet- 7"
Kp- 7 3"
knox- 6 9"
Frank-6 6"

Think that can work?

The bigs of today are better than those of the late 90’s and early 00’s when Camby was here. Antonio Davis, Theo Ratliff, and Jamaal Magloire were making All-Star teams then.

Mitch looks very impressive but weight training will be very important in his rookie season. He will be a great rim protector and P&R defender but will struggle mightily in the post. If he got destroyed and repeatedly exploited by Tony Bradley and Diamond Stone what do you think real NBA starting caliber centers will do to him?

It’s not only Embiid. How is he expected to defend behemoths like Drummond, Whiteside, Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez in Milwaukee, you also got Al Horford a perennial All-Star. The kid Myles Turner in Indiana.

The late 90 weren't as devoid of quality big men as you imply: SHAQ, Duncan, Mutombo, Mourning were pretty good, but I agree he'll need to get stronger.

The cream of the crop was quality but the depth wasn’t there. Look at some of the other centers starting on other teams. Hell, look at who was defending Shaq in those Finals series. Mourning was injury prone, Mutombo was on that Rudy Gobert/Clint Capela level, Patrick was past his prime.

If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.

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This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.

On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.

Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.

For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.

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Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.

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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.

While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.

His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.

Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.

knicks1248 wrote:

If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.

Kevin O'Connor
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@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.

On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.

Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.

For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.

Joseph Flynn
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@ChinaJoeFlynn
Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.

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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.

While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.

His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.

Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

If there is one player who has helped their stock the most by competing in NBA summer league, it’s New York Knicks rookie Mitchell Robinson.

Kevin O'Connor
✔
@KevinOConnorNBA
This block by Mitchell Robinson is nuts. Look at the amount of ground he covers after defending the pick-and-roll.

On the defensive end, he should be able to make a tremendous impact for the Knicks next season and for years to come as he continues to develop. It was clear during his time in Las Vegas that he has the necessary intangibles, which were on display whenever guarding the opposition.

Robinson averaged 4.0 blocks per game, which is the most ever recorded in summer league. He added 13.0 points and 10.2 rebounds in 24.7 minutes per game, while shooting 66.7 percent from the field. In his best performance, he totaled 14 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks in just 19 minutes. His 6.2 offensive rebounds per game were also the most in summer league history.

For comparison, No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton averaged 14.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.0 block per game for the Phoenix Suns. Ayton was on the floor for an additional two minutes in each game he played as well.

Joseph Flynn
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@ChinaJoeFlynn
Mitchell Robinson is gonna end Summer League with pretty similar numbers as No. 1 overall pick Deandre Ayton, despite not playing basketball for a year. That's wild.

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It’s just exhibition basketball, but it was especially refreshing to see Robinson in great shape considering he did not play competitively last season after foregoing his sole collegiate season.

While it’s worth applauding his defensive skill set, the big man also showed tremendous offensive efficiency. He was able to score without having the ball in his hands for most of the possession and, as reporters noted, he hardly had to dribble to get his buckets.

His athleticism has made him a tremendously exciting prospect and one worth watching whenever he steps on the court. When he’s near the basket on either end of the floor, he’s a potential human highlight.

Did the knicks catch a diamond in the ruff or what.

He was a huge get. Skipping the combine really hurt him but helped the Knicks. Kudos to Perry/Mills for locking him up to a team friendly deal.

Having a guy like Noah around can really help him on and off the court.

I know the knicks want to clear as much Cap as they could, but the 3 guys in which they need to get rid of..LEE, LANCE and NOAH, are the 3 vets we need to help These guys development.