Allanfan20 wrote:I would offer both Kanter and O’Quinn very inflated 1 year deals if they both opt out.

Ummmmmmm why would Kanter opt out of his one year $18 mil deal only to sign another one year deal with us?

1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?

I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.

Welpee wrote:Questions:

1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?

I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.

1) Given the current marketplace, No.

My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.

2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost. What you see is about what you are going to get. His value won't go up over time, but down. There's nothing to convince, he's replaceable. Which is why the Thunder tried to trade him for a long time and could not and that there were not a line of teams waiting to trade for him.

I try to stay out of players personal lives for the most part, but Kanters private life is complicated. His issues with his homeland is complicated. Proximity to the United Nations is in his favor. It's something no one really wants to talk about. He needs to be in NY more than that Knicks need him. His personal situations are unfortunate. On a human level, you wish him only the best. From a team perspective and from a resource management perspective, if he opts out, thank the basketball Gods for small miracles and wish him well in his NBA future far from the Knicks.

Was he the Knicks best player last year? Yes, by a good country mile as well.

But that's more of a sign of the injury situation and the talent situation than Kanter just being something irreplaceable.

There are going to be a lot of servicable big men this offseason who will begrudgingly take a one year deal for not that much to stay on an NBA roster/get another year of service time towards their pension.

Welpee wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:Questions:

1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?

I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.

1) Given the current marketplace, No.

My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.

2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost.

The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.

Welpee wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:Questions:

1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?

I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.

1) Given the current marketplace, No.

My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.

2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost.

The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.

You don't seem to get it.

The "issue" is that in ANY MODERN BASKETBALL SYSTEM, Enes Kanter is a liability.

He cannot space the floor. I keep hearing he is working on a three point shot. We'll all believe it when we see it CONSISTENTLY. He cannot defend the rim. He cannot run a basic defense. He's a low IQ player who gives good energy/burst but he's in a contract year. He's dogged it before when he's be paid before. He is still a total blackhole with the ball in his hands ( he's not a good passer, he's not even a willing passer, I doubt he can really read the floor well enough to pass safely) He is a complete sieve against the basic pick and roll.

Fizdale could run anything. Nellieball. SSOL. Princeton. Four Out. Triangle. Showtime. Literally anything. And Kanter would falter in all of it. In the modern "space and pace" game, he's obsolete.

Why would the Knicks need to "convince" him of anything?

He's asking for a long term contract in the press and pretending he's thinking about opting out because he has zero leverage. He has zero leverage because he's obsolete in the modern game. Due to injury and attrition and a massive talent deficit, he became the primary option on a team willing to overlook his flaws because they could get no one else/had no one else. It's like nailing a Jenny Craig toothless landwhale reject with herpes because she's the only warm wet hole stuck with you on an isolated desert island.

Its a "Smurf Party" and in a gaggle of sausage, Kanter is the only warm wet hole and some posters here are go ape**** over basically having a warm healthy player who actually tries most of the time.

He has no real trade value. He has no real long term value to this franchise. He's eating up a roster spot and minutes because he was the only practical salary match to rid of Melo's toxic personality/contract/lack of leadership.

There is no realistic fit where Kanter becomes the player some of you claim he can be. If he was going to be that, he would have already.

If he was willing to take 4/32 and opt out, the Knicks would sign him right away.

I hope his personal situation works out. But for this team, he's a net liability.

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:Questions:

1) Can Kanter get a long term deal at over $18M from any other team.
2) Can the Knicks convince Kanter that they need to see another year from him under a new coach before committing long term?

I wouldn't give Kanter a long term deal right now before seeing him perform under Fizdale. If they have to let him walk, as much as a like Kanter, we have to do what we have to do. I understand Kanter's (and KOQ's) position but it's just not in the best interest of the Knicks right now.

1) Given the current marketplace, No.

My best guess is his current value/approximation is 4/32 or 2/16, the second year being a team option or a player option depending on the pathway to possibly starting.

2) I don't see this issue as relevant to his situation. Kanter is outside his prime developmental window. He's "young" in real life terms, in NBA terms, he's a sunk cost.

The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.

You don't seem to get it.

The "issue" is that in ANY MODERN BASKETBALL SYSTEM, Enes Kanter is a liability.

He cannot space the floor. I keep hearing he is working on a three point shot. We'll all believe it when we see it CONSISTENTLY. He cannot defend the rim. He cannot run a basic defense. He's a low IQ player who gives good energy/burst but he's in a contract year. He's dogged it before when he's be paid before. He is still a total blackhole with the ball in his hands ( he's not a good passer, he's not even a willing passer, I doubt he can really read the floor well enough to pass safely) He is a complete sieve against the basic pick and roll.

Fizdale could run anything. Nellieball. SSOL. Princeton. Four Out. Triangle. Showtime. Literally anything. And Kanter would falter in all of it. In the modern "space and pace" game, he's obsolete.

Why would the Knicks need to "convince" him of anything?

He's asking for a long term contract in the press and pretending he's thinking about opting out because he has zero leverage. He has zero leverage because he's obsolete in the modern game. Due to injury and attrition and a massive talent deficit, he became the primary option on a team willing to overlook his flaws because they could get no one else/had no one else. It's like nailing a Jenny Craig toothless landwhale reject with herpes because she's the only warm wet hole stuck with you on an isolated desert island.

Its a "Smurf Party" and in a gaggle of sausage, Kanter is the only warm wet hole and some posters here are go ape**** over basically having a warm healthy player who actually tries most of the time.

He has no real trade value. He has no real long term value to this franchise. He's eating up a roster spot and minutes because he was the only practical salary match to rid of Melo's toxic personality/contract/lack of leadership.

There is no realistic fit where Kanter becomes the player some of you claim he can be. If he was going to be that, he would have already.

If he was willing to take 4/32 and opt out, the Knicks would sign him right away.

I hope his personal situation works out. But for this team, he's a net liability.

TLover wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TLover wrote:Offer that same $ to Julius Randle. Fiz was talking highly of him on ESPN when he was commentating.
Randle & KP would be able to play off each other at the 4 & 5. Too perfect of a match. Our front court of Knox KP Randle would be a force for years to come.

If Kanter opts out we need to make an offer at 12:01 to Randle.

The problem is that would mess up 2019's cap space (presuming we target Kyrie). Maybe if we get rid of Lee you could use that money for Randle without affecting 2019's offseason. However I think PG will stay with OKC, which will mess up Lebron's plans of going to the Lakers. So likey the Lakers will re-sign Randle once they fail to land 2 max FAs.

This is why we must make that offer at 12:01 bc the Lakers will need that cap space for their plan of a super team (which I’m not a fan of) would rather add one super player to a core that was developed within. We can always make trades and stretch Noah for 1 max next season.

You can but need to be comfortable that you are out of the free agent market in 2019 and probably 2020.