fwk00 wrote:An earlier trade proposal revisited;

In my trade scenario, Knicks get Parsons and #4 for Lee, Thomas, and a future first, top 3 protected (and one of: Baker, Dotson, or Burke) - Their bench is replentished, they have some extra cash to burn on a FA or two (all covered by Parsons existing salary) AND, if the playoff run is a bust they restore a lottery pick NEXT year (a year in which they don't have one).

Burke, inexpensively backing up Conley makes a lot of sense.

Dont like giving up 1st rounders..but its an interesting trade offer

dwiley20 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:An earlier trade proposal revisited;

In my trade scenario, Knicks get Parsons and #4 for Lee, Thomas, and a future first, top 3 protected (and one of: Baker, Dotson, or Burke) - Their bench is replentished, they have some extra cash to burn on a FA or two (all covered by Parsons existing salary) AND, if the playoff run is a bust they restore a lottery pick NEXT year (a year in which they don't have one).

Burke, inexpensively backing up Conley makes a lot of sense.

Dont like giving up 1st rounders..but its an interesting trade offer

My rationale remains that if the Knicks are going to retool with youth then do it in Fizdale's first year. Give him the wetware to build whatever team he can and move the vets out of the way so they get playing time.

If the youth movement becomes a yearly drip. Fizdale may not get the shelf-life to see it through.

For Memphis, they get some useful vets to run with this year (all lunch-pail players) AND if their run falls short, they can begin their youth movement next year with a decent pick.

Panos wrote:

Mike1989 wrote:We don't really have the ammo to move up to 4 without including Frank or KP, or giving up future picks....

Frank? And? Why would that hold up the deal? If you need to trade Frank to get the #4 pick, you wouldn't do it? Come on. The homerism is unbearable. Somebody offers you the #4 for Frank, you do it and say thank you very much.

Back that train up a little, sure you can discuss Frankie for #4 - that's fair enough. I wouldn't make that trade but its fair game.

HOWEVAH, no way in hell can that deal be #4 AND eat Chandler's millions for Frankie - that's nuts.

But why not discuss Frankie for #4.

The reason I don't do that deal is that Frankie is already a known NBA quality, #4 isn't. AND, trades like this, IFF they work out, are little more than lateral moves - you get one to lose one who you already have invested in.

If I'm building I want to ADD to Frankie not just shuffle the deck of Jokers yet again.

Panos wrote:

Mike1989 wrote:We don't really have the ammo to move up to 4 without including Frank or KP, or giving up future picks....

Frank? And? Why would that hold up the deal? If you need to trade Frank to get the #4 pick, you wouldn't do it? Come on. The homerism is unbearable. Somebody offers you the #4 for Frank, you do it and say thank you very much.

no i thinks its Frank and the #9 for #4 not straight up LMAO

If the Clippers would be interested in taking the 9th and 36th pick for 12 and 13, one of those picks and expiring contracts could be used to acquire Parsons and the 4th pick. Memphis is one of the few teams I can think of that could use Enes Kanter as a big off the bench, so why not:

Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, a $4.3 million trade exception and the 13th pick for Chandler Parson and the 4th pick?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y94fswgb

It frees the Grizzlies of $4.3 million in the immediate, and effectively erases the remaining $19 million of Parson's contract at the end of the season. We also allow them to stay in the lottery, which can help their PR effort with fans who'd be pissed about them valuing short-term goals over long-term goals. I personally wouldn't do it but I also would have preferred a rebuild to paying Mike Conley Jr. and Marc Gasol a +$30 million and +$25 million salary, respectively.

We, on the other hand, would be armed with the 4th and 12th pick in the draft. I suppose it has its appeal but I think there is a bit too much risk in this draft at the top for me to be comfortable trading up. I guess at 4, I'd take Mo Bamba though. I think he'll be the most impactful player in this draft and have people wondering why he didn't go no.1 overall (if the Kings don't pick him). That twin-tower duo with he and KP would be intriguing despite the league moving towards more of a smallball format.

Exactly! KP, Frank and #9 is untouchable!

Give them THJ, Lee and second round pick and possibly Thomas

Knixkik wrote:I'll consider #9, Lee (still useful for Memphis), Lance (only 1 mil guaranteed after this season), and their choice of Mudiay or Baker (both expiring) for #4 and Parsons. I would delay free agency for the opportunity to build around Porzingis, Doncic, and Frank. I'll only do that deal if Doncic is on the board. He's the perfect wing when Frank is the PG. It gives us 2 playmakers. Then 2020 should be time to sign a real difference maker. But that core of KP, Frank, and Doncic with all draft picks going forward (and Hardaway as a quality placeholder at SG) is a great start here.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I'll consider #9, Lee (still useful for Memphis), Lance (only 1 mil guaranteed after this season), and their choice of Mudiay or Baker (both expiring) for #4 and Parsons. I would delay free agency for the opportunity to build around Porzingis, Doncic, and Frank. I'll only do that deal if Doncic is on the board. He's the perfect wing when Frank is the PG. It gives us 2 playmakers. Then 2020 should be time to sign a real difference maker. But that core of KP, Frank, and Doncic with all draft picks going forward (and Hardaway as a quality placeholder at SG) is a great start here.

Cant see Doncic being there, but if he fell I would give up a future #1 with top 3 lotto protection. Doncic is a generational talent

I am in this boat as well. I would hope for this to happen. Wouldn't do it got Marvin Bagley or Bamba but if Doncic falls, I'd say go for it. The kings seem to want Porter, maybe the trade down as well? Or pick him at 2?

My own sense is he's been too caught up in chasing ladies to rehab, and worry tremendously about establishing a culture here (in addition to accumulating talent).

I am hoping similar deals can be had if we want to move up, i.e., our 9 and some serviceable player (not a pick) for a higher pick and someone less good but still fitting the bill for our in other ways

ankurk wrote:I agree that kanter can be a servicable backup or front court addition for the grizzlies.
If I’m the grizzlies and thinking of making a run with the same team again I honestly do consider it (the mirror test everyone talks about).
Conley, Tyreke, bridges, kanter, gasolina

Kanter + 9 + Lee + 2020 pick lottery protected for 4 + Parsons + mclemore

Can we trade Kanter? Not sure what the rules are pre and post opt in

If we could, I think Kanter and Lee for the 4th, Parsons and filler is fair considering that the Griz just seem to want to win 50 games (I didn't say it would be smart for them!). It gives them two win-now vets, and cap relief after the season.

I wouldn't trade the 9th too