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meloshouldgo
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6/7/2018  7:08 PM
Nalod wrote:Writer is credentialed but does that mean its not a sad article?
Then, our resident (take your choice of expletive)reads it with his usually gullibility and relabels it "Rumor".
Naturally his cognitive deficiency occurs as the blood that would be going to his brain fills his loins to any thought he can produce something that devalues Frank as it might actually might validate his view.
Its not a rumor, its an opinion.
So no need dignify it as any thought process by Mills or Perry. Its not rumor.

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6/7/2018  9:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2018  9:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Why no link to the article?...This was just one trade mentioned, it would seem...1/5...why not the other trades?

Strange.

Potential Trade Packages and Landing Spots for DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry
SEAN HIGHKIN
JUNE 6, 2018


Nick Wass/Associated Press
The 2018 NBA offseason could see some major shakeups throughout the league. There are big names on the free-agent market (LeBron James, Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan), the looming Kawhi Leonard situation in San Antonio and possible trades involving oft-rumored names like C.J. McCollum.

One of the toughest teams to get a read on is the Toronto Raptors, who secured the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference behind an All-Star backcourt of Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan and a slew of impressive young talent. But they are in transition after being swept in the playoffs by the Cleveland Cavaliers for the second year in a row and firing head coach Dwane Casey.

There's speculation that team president Masai Ujiri could finally be ready to make sweeping changes. On Tuesday night, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that no one on Toronto's roster is considered untouchable in trade talks. This means that even Lowry and DeRozan could be moved in the right deal.

Trading either one of the star guards could be tricky. Both are owed big money. Lowry is set to make $64.3 million over the next two seasons, while DeRozan is on the books for $83.2 million over the next three. Both are likely too expensive to fetch the kind of return in picks and prospects that could kick-start a from-the-bottom rebuild. Any deal involving either one would be more of a retooling, in which Ujiri would simply move pieces around and try to remain competitive in the Eastern Conference playoff picture.

With that said, there are a few teams that make sense as destinations for the Toronto guards.


New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.


San Antonio Spurs
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Eric Gay/Associated Press
San Antonio Spurs get: Kyle Lowry

Toronto Raptors get: Pau Gasol, Patty Mills, Dejounte Murray

Everything the Spurs do this summer hinges on how the Leonard situation gets resolved. The two-time Defensive Player of the Year missed all but nine games of the 2017-18 amid tensions with the organization over the rehab timeline for a quad injury suffered in last year's playoffs. If he and Gregg Popovich are not able to repair their relationship, San Antonio could start fielding trade offers, in which case it probably isn't looking to trade for a player as expensive as Lowry or DeRozan.

However, supposing Leonard and Popovich are able to reconcile and commit to their partnership long-term, the Spurs are an interesting Lowry trade destination. Tony Parker has already transitioned into a bench role, and his playing future is as yet undetermined. Lowry gives them an All-Star-caliber replacement with only two seasons left on his deal, whose age and experience are much more conducive to short-term contention alongside Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge than the 21-year-old Murray.

Between Murray and Mills, the Raptors get back plenty of production at the point guard position—one promising youngster and one dependable veteran. Gasol's contract is included to make salaries match. He's owed around $16 million in each of the next two seasons, but the second of those years is only $6.7 million guaranteed, providing considerable salary relief compared to paying Lowry through his deal.


Minnesota Timberwolves
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Stacy Bengs/Associated Press
Minnesota Timberwolves get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Andrew Wiggins

This is a straight-up swap that would act as something of a reset for two would-be contenders. Wiggins, who is about to begin a five-year, $146 million extension, hasn't been a perfect fit in Minnesota alongside Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns. DeRozan's money is similar on a per-year basis, but for two fewer years, and his age aligns much more closely with that of Butler. Together, the two would form a formidable scoring duo on the perimeter.

For the Raptors, the bet would be that Wiggins, a Toronto-area native, still has untapped potential as a two-way star. He's five years younger than DeRozan and isn't as ball-dominant. Toronto's coaching staff has a strong track record of developing young players like Norman Powell, Pascal Siakam and Fred VanVleet, and it could do the same with Wiggins.

Miami Heat
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Alan Diaz/Associated Press
Miami Heat get: Kyle Lowry

Toronto Raptors get: Goran Dragic, Kelly Olynyk

This swap of similarly-aged All-Star point guards gives both teams a different look. Lowry's hard-nosed defensive mentality would fit well in the famous Heat culture built by Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra, and Dragic would provide a more dynamic offensive style for the Raptors. Dragic has played alongside other high-scoring guards in his career (Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters, Dwyane Wade), so it wouldn't be much of an adjustment to slot in next to DeRozan in Toronto.

Olynyk's contract is included to make the money match up, but he's also a useful bench big man, and this would be a homecoming to his native Toronto. There are other contracts the Raptors could take back in place of Olynyk. Josh Richardson, James Johnson or Waiters would all get the salaries to match up pretty closely.


Charlotte Hornets
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Nell Redmond/Associated Press
Charlotte Hornets get: DeMar DeRozan, Jonas Valanciunas

Toronto Raptors get: Nicolas Batum, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Malik Monk

The Hornets have arguably the worst salary-cap situation in the NBA, with numerous huge deals given to role players without much hope for contention. They need a shake-up in the worst way, and this offseason's changes on the bench (replacing longtime head coach Steve Clifford with former Spurs assistant James Borrego) and in the front office (replacing Rich Cho with former Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak) are signs they're ready to blow things up.

This trade would involve a lot of swapping of bad contracts on both sides, with the Raptors unloading Valanciunas' remaining two years and $34.2 million as part of the trade-off for losing DeRozan. Batum and Kidd-Gilchrist are both talented wings with health concerns who are still young enough (29 and 24, respectively) to provide some value, especially on the defensive end.

Toronto would also get to take a flier on Monk, a talented scoring guard who didn't prove much in his rookie year in Charlotte but may just need a change of scenery.

THANKS...Did not realize that this wasn't a Knicks' centered article...

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Panos
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6/7/2018  11:24 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:how about knicks1248, a first, and $3 million for Nicolas Batum

No way Charlotte does that deal. Knicks1248 is a tweener and has one of the worst contracts in the league.

fitzfarm
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6/8/2018  11:41 PM
Again terrible trade for the knicka after the AB trade we should be forbidden from trading with the raps
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6/9/2018  1:00 AM
I thought for a second, what was the last trade that went our way when we made a deal with the raptors. I thought for a sec, the oak trade for Camby was good for the time. considering oaks age. But we only turned around put camby in the deal for McDyess hahaha WTF are we cursed?
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6/9/2018  9:47 AM
fitzfarm wrote:I thought for a second, what was the last trade that went our way when we made a deal with the raptors. I thought for a sec, the oak trade for Camby was good for the time. considering oaks age. But we only turned around put camby in the deal for McDyess hahaha WTF are we cursed?


Have to look back at the time which camby was soft, always hurt and head not in the game.
He obviously got it right after.

I agree it was a good deal and the plan for Camby to be a modern running 5 was spot on.
Knicks had balls to move the beloved oak.

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6/9/2018  10:20 AM
Lonzo Ball to CLE?
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6/9/2018  11:03 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
New York Knicks
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Mary Altaffer/Associated Press
New York Knicks get: DeMar DeRozan

Toronto Raptors get: Joakim Noah, Ron Baker, Frank Ntilikina

New York almost traded for Lowry during the 2013-14 season, before Knicks owner James Dolan reportedly got cold feet at the last minute. Five years later, the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of a rebuild and could be chasing big names again. DeRozan is coming off a career year, and at 28 years old, he is much closer to his prime than the 32-year-old Lowry, putting him more in line with Kristaps Porzingis' development timeline.

The Noah and Baker contracts could be bought out or stretched. New York would love to get off of Noah's money in particular, as he's owed $37.8 million over the next two seasons.

Doing so, and returning a player as good as DeRozan, would likely cost them the best young piece on their roster outside of Porzingis. Ntilikina showed tremendous defensive potential in his rookie season, but he isn't a true point guard, so he would be somewhat redundant next to DeRozan. He and Lowry would form a formidable defensive backcourt, and he's versatile enough that he'd be able to adapt to a different role later on if the Raptors eventually move Lowry.

For Toronto, the opportunity to get much younger and cheaper in the backcourt, paired with Ntilikina's upside, makes this a worthwhile move to consider if they decide to move DeRozan.

The only way Noah gets traded is if the knicks sacrifice frank or draft picks.

This trade cuts in to future cap flex, but pairing derozen up with KP will definitely give KP the incentive to stay.

It will also make us a very attractive destination for FA who maybe willing to sacrifice $$ for a legit shot at a ring, maybe even leonard

i dont think this trade will happen and to be honest i am not impressed with derozen especially since he laid an egg in the playoffs. i would rather sacrifice some assets to get someone like wiggins who could still be unhappy and available.

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6/9/2018  11:05 AM
I’ll pass on DD. Don’t think he has the NY makeup needed. He’d have a choice of therapistsbhowever.
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6/9/2018  4:17 PM
The first trade of Frankie and hot steaming garbage for an all star is hilarious.
That’s not a trade rumor it’s merely comedy.
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