elmaestro33 wrote:We need to be focused on building a TEAM. I think the move is to take long athletic wing or big man that can play next to KP (one of the Bridges, Carter, or Porter). I may be in the minority, but I think between Trey, Frank, and Mudiay, we're set at PG for another year - let's see how they play out. Personally, I think Trey can become the guy next to Frank and THJ.

elmaestro33 wrote:We need to be focused on building a TEAM. I think the move is to take long athletic wing or big man that can play next to KP (one of the Bridges, Carter, or Porter). I may be in the minority, but I think between Trey, Frank, and Mudiay, we're set at PG for another year - let's see how they play out. Personally, I think Trey can become the guy next to Frank and THJ.

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Easy dumb as that

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Drafting a kid with his dribble and range from almost half court, might end up being tbe wrong call vs. another player in the draft, but it isnt dumb IMO.

If those were only things that mattered you would be right. However he led the planet (including YMCA leagues) in turn overs. His shoot %s are not impressive either. He cant guard anyone. So for a team looking to build around defense he looks like a pretty dumb choice to me. Also we have 4 guys who can play PG coming back all 25 or under.

The league isnt full of 6'1 guys who weigh a 180. There is like one guy like that and he's the best shooter. Ever.

Dont believe the record numbers Trae was putting up for a while in the NCAA (not the Y) was just a fluke. Young can cover ground like few PGs Ive seen. Dont remember Curry's D being all that coming into the league. Whoever falls to 9 likely has reasons for it. If Perry picks Young, Im not mad.

I didnt say they were a fluke. Those record #s were a result of volume, nothing more. The shots he took to get those #s are not NBA shots. I would puke if my rookie PG thought running up the floor and shooting contested 3s from 5 feet behind the line was a good play. Trae does it 3-4 times a game.

If the Knicks draft him I would root and hope he pans out. That's me as a fan. Hey... they have him in for a private workout. Maybe he shows things we have no seen. The physical shortcomings alone are daunting. You need a 1 and done rookie from a mediocre team to play like the best shooter in the history of the game to justify taking him. Boy those are really long odds when there are other very good players on the board.

It's like some of you don't seem to understand that the way Young played in college won't be the way he's gonna play in the NBA. He's not gonna have to be a chucker and feel like he's the only offense on his team in the NBA like he did in college. He's gonna get put in a system and will play to that system. I'm not sure how anyone that pays attention to the game doesn't know this.

so ignore his body work. Got it. Tell me again what I am using to evaluate Young as an NBA player?

Defense and size doesnt matter cause he's Steph Curry
Ignore the poor college play.... cause this is the pros.
Anything else I am missing?

Wingspan. Its the most talked about thing these days. At 6-2, he got T-Rex arms.
Remember that kid back in Jr high, the little kid but could shot great. Had that low release point. That was him. All grown up.
He can shoot, has the quick release with feet still planted using the jump to get it off. Its effective, but in the pro's with nearly every team full of long arm freaks does that force him out even further? College 3 is closer in.
Brandon Jennings syndrome: Good quick rookie season then wear and team breaks them down. Kenny Anderson syndrome. Look at the new breed of PG's, these kids are long. Will Trae fill out and stay quick? Does that shot really work with big dudes.
Is he better than Burke?

Bottom line is Young has to show some other worldy aspects to his game for us to take him 9th, especially with Burke, Frank, Mudiay and Baker all on the squad next year.

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Easy dumb as that

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do we have a PG right on the roster right now that better than T Y.

thats not how you build a team imo. id rather draft a player that fits, not because we may or may not have a pg on the roster who is "better." what qualifies as "better" anyway? i have no interest in trae young, he's a chucker, plays no defense and is RECKLESS with the ball offensively. but yeah, if he shoots enough he'll score 40. yipee.

A chucker that led the entire NCAA in assist, with a below avg roster.

I watched curry in college a lot and he was not as good as trae was as far as seeing the floor and setting guys up, in fact i cant remember the last college player who had the floor vision of trae

Curry had the same knock on him coming out of college about defense and chucking

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Easy dumb as that

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do we have a PG right on the roster right now that better than T Y.

right now? yes. 2.

Dude your so hooked on frank, that In your opinion, he's the best thing since slice bread.

You may be like the little kid crying when the knicks picked KP..lol

Check out Rainman with the KP Kid Snap!!!

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Easy dumb as that

fixed

Drafting a kid with his dribble and range from almost half court, might end up being tbe wrong call vs. another player in the draft, but it isnt dumb IMO.

If those were only things that mattered you would be right. However he led the planet (including YMCA leagues) in turn overs. His shoot %s are not impressive either. He cant guard anyone. So for a team looking to build around defense he looks like a pretty dumb choice to me. Also we have 4 guys who can play PG coming back all 25 or under.

The league isnt full of 6'1 guys who weigh a 180. There is like one guy like that and he's the best shooter. Ever.

Dont believe the record numbers Trae was putting up for a while in the NCAA (not the Y) was just a fluke. Young can cover ground like few PGs Ive seen. Dont remember Curry's D being all that coming into the league. Whoever falls to 9 likely has reasons for it. If Perry picks Young, Im not mad.

I didnt say they were a fluke. Those record #s were a result of volume, nothing more. The shots he took to get those #s are not NBA shots. I would puke if my rookie PG thought running up the floor and shooting contested 3s from 5 feet behind the line was a good play. Trae does it 3-4 times a game.

If the Knicks draft him I would root and hope he pans out. That's me as a fan. Hey... they have him in for a private workout. Maybe he shows things we have no seen. The physical shortcomings alone are daunting. You need a 1 and done rookie from a mediocre team to play like the best shooter in the history of the game to justify taking him. Boy those are really long odds when there are other very good players on the board.

It's like some of you don't seem to understand that the way Young played in college won't be the way he's gonna play in the NBA. He's not gonna have to be a chucker and feel like he's the only offense on his team in the NBA like he did in college. He's gonna get put in a system and will play to that system. I'm not sure how anyone that pays attention to the game doesn't know this.

so ignore his body work. Got it. Tell me again what I am using to evaluate Young as an NBA player?

Defense and size doesnt matter cause he's Steph Curry
Ignore the poor college play.... cause this is the pros.
Anything else I am missing?

Wingspan. Its the most talked about thing these days. At 6-2, he got T-Rex arms.
Remember that kid back in Jr high, the little kid but could shot great. Had that low release point. That was him. All grown up.
He can shoot, has the quick release with feet still planted using the jump to get it off. Its effective, but in the pro's with nearly every team full of long arm freaks does that force him out even further? College 3 is closer in.
Brandon Jennings syndrome: Good quick rookie season then wear and team breaks them down. Kenny Anderson syndrome. Look at the new breed of PG's, these kids are long. Will Trae fill out and stay quick? Does that shot really work with big dudes.
Is he better than Burke?

that is part of it as well.

Bottom line is Young has to show some other worldy aspects to his game for us to take him 9th, especially with Burke, Frank, Mudiay and Baker all on the squad next year.

I trust our front office. If they believe Trae is the BPA, they have to take him.

Frank hasn't shown himself to be a PG. He might become a 3&d specialist a la Bruce Bowen.

Burke was this close to being out of the league. I think he has a future in the NBA. I don't know if he is a starter type material for a solid team.

Mudiay I love, but he has to get into shape and prove he belongs or he will be out of the league after next season.

And Baker? Please, he is woefully over paid. He has a roster spot on a 20 win team that is bereft of talent.

BRIGGS wrote:

codeunknown wrote:Move up to 6/7 and make it close to a guarantee - take Trae Young.

I feel confident that the top 6 will be (not in order) Aayton Bagley Bamba Jackson Carter Doncic

that puts the draft at 7
Chicago is NOT taking another PG
Cleveland might? at 8 but thats the chance we have to take.
If hes gone than we are likely to get a role player so I might look at whats for sale below. Brogdon and pick 17 for 9?
I look at tapes with Young playing with the top guys(where he isnt surrounded by 3-4 guys) and hes a terror. Hes a little small but hes quick. When he becomes a system player his 3 point accuracy will be like Curry's 42-44% on volume. And he gets to the hole like Parker. AND hes a GREAT GREAT GREAT passer BEST in years.

BRIGGS wrote:

codeunknown wrote:Move up to 6/7 and make it close to a guarantee - take Trae Young.

I feel confident that the top 6 will be (not in order) Aayton Bagley Bamba Jackson Carter Doncic

that puts the draft at 7
Chicago is NOT taking another PG
Cleveland might? at 8 but thats the chance we have to take.
If hes gone than we are likely to get a role player so I might look at whats for sale below. Brogdon and pick 17 for 9?
I look at tapes with Young playing with the top guys(where he isnt surrounded by 3-4 guys) and hes a terror. Hes a little small but hes quick. When he becomes a system player his 3 point accuracy will be like Curry's 42-44% on volume. And he gets to the hole like Parker. AND hes a GREAT GREAT GREAT passer BEST in years.

I could easily see the Cavs taking him, if Lebron stays or goes. He could go from 6 on.

Would Clippers be willing to do a Trey Young & THjr for #12 & Tobias Harris?

knickstorrents wrote:Trae Young will get exposed in this league, he's a trap. Jimmer Fredette 2.0. Trae will be in China in a few years battling Mabuli and the 'Lonely Master' mark my words!!!!

Ma-buh-li has officially retired

CrushAlot wrote:The sheer size of Young’s footprint, let alone its shape, indicates the transformative nature of his offensive game for a player with his passing volume. He does not fit the gunner mold into which many have tried to squeeze him. Instead, he is a point guard prospect all his own, with dynamic strengths and pronounced weaknesses.His intersection of pull-up gravity and historically good passing does not necessarily make him a surefire bet to succeed but it deserves proper appreciation. He is a statistical outlier that single-handedly shaped and mutated an otherwise tepid Oklahoma offense into a top-40 KenPom efficiency unit.

pronounced weaknesses...and this is why I hesitate strongly with him. Look at Trey Burke...excellent in the pick and roll allowing the big man to roll or pop. But on defense...oh boy..we need a draymond green or iguodala type forward to shield his defensive weaknesses.

From NBAdraft.net...
Young does not have ideal size at 6-2 or length with just a 6-2 wingspan for an NBA guard ... These physical limitations can become apparent once he gets all the way to the rim ... He lacks the length and vertical explosiveness to finish through NBA length and athleticism and does not project as an efficient scorer at the basket in the NBA ... He will have to rely much more on craft to be successful inside at the next level ... He has been a bit turnover prone at times this season due to his tendency to make some risky passes at times ... However, much of that is due to his unusually high usage rate, and he still has an assist to turnover ratio of better than two to one ... Young’s shot selection at times leaves a lot to be desired ... As good of a shooter as he is, there are times where he will hoist a very long jumper early in the shot clock without moving the ball and looking for a better opportunity first ... As polished as Young is offensively, he is a near liability on defense ... He rarely gets into a stance on this end of the floor and shows poor effort guarding the ball ... Opposing guards are easily able to get into the lane against him and he is often caught ball-watching when his man does not have the ball ... Due to his lack of ideal size and athleticism, he will be a guy for opposing offenses to attack ... He is not explosive enough to stay in front of quick guards, and he is also not big enough to stop anyone else on the court ... The effort has to improve first and foremost, but even if it does he may never be a reliable defensive player unless he can create a high number of steals ... Will need to add strengh to be able to better finish off drives and also defend ...