meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.

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Thanks for posting this...The extensive coach search should have informed the phil fanboys that Perry is on point....Can't believe they want the guy that was falling asleep at pre-draft camp in charge of our draft process...

reub wrote:Isn't Phil still under contract? Can he be asked for his input on our upcoming draft?
He chose KP while most people booed, wanting Mudiay or Stanley Johnson, and with his only other #1 pick he selected Frank, who is already one of the best defensive players in the league (at age 19).
Please come back for the draft Phil! And bring Clarence Gaines with you.

KP was the obvious pick at 4...the few people who boo'd were idiots and represent the lowest common denominator of Knick fans...The jury is still out on Frank, hopefully he pans out. Lets not forget that Jerian Grant draft day trade by Phil. That turned out to be a disaster...

Uptown wrote:

reub wrote:Isn't Phil still under contract? Can he be asked for his input on our upcoming draft?
He chose KP while most people booed, wanting Mudiay or Stanley Johnson, and with his only other #1 pick he selected Frank, who is already one of the best defensive players in the league (at age 19).
Please come back for the draft Phil! And bring Clarence Gaines with you.

KP was the obvious pick at 4...the few people who boo'd were idiots and represent the lowest common denominator of Knick fans...The jury is still out on Frank, hopefully he pans out. Lets not forget that Jerian Grant draft day trade by Phil. That turned out to be a disaster...

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is another measuring stick for this FO. If they just play it safe and take a skilled 2 way prospect that is as close to BPA as they can get we are fine. Lets see what happens if they try to get cute or make moves or just play it straight.

I have confidence in Perry- he seems like a smart guy that isn't going to overthink things. Hopefully he and Mills have a realistic view of our timeline and when we might actually be competitive which isn't this upcoming season.

I have no confidence in Perry at all and definitely not Mills after going out and throwing that crazy huge contract at Timmy as soon as Phil was gone and Perry has never been a GM and made draft picks or done free agency so i'm nervous as hell hoping he gets it right.

As a fan I am hoping he nails it!

As a rationale human being (or at least I like to think I am) I am in this exact boat -- just not feeling the FO; they say one thing (two way players defense etc) and do another (Kanter [who I like but...], McBuckets, Beas, Mudiay, Burke

Kanter, Mc D., and the 36th pick for a guy with a ntc, 15 mil trade kicker, owed 57 mil for two years was a pretty good return in my opinion. Much better than the buyout or Ryan Anderson package. Were you really expecting young, two way impact players in that deal? I thought the front office did pretty well. Burke and Williams were free agent signings on minimal contracts. Williams does fit the two way description but probably maxes out as a rotation player. Beas was a bargain and teams do need scoring. I also thought the Jack signing was smart. I think with the money available and what they moved out, that they did pretty well.

Thank you. This is a accurate and thorough sum up of the FO's actions this season. A lot of jaded fans. It must be the playoff lull

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.

I am not sure where this is coming from in regards to Scott Perry. Perry signed two vets to one year league mini deals (Jack and Bease) and two young guys to league mini deals with a team option in Burke and Williams. Three of those guys were very much a part of the Knicks team and were needed. What young players or vets were out there for that money that would have produced more? Those four signings cost the Knicks under 4 mil. Not sure what people's expectations were but I would love to see a list of 4 two way players that were available for that amount of money that Perry missed out on. Also, Williams and Burke appear to be a part of the Knick's future.

Nice try to deflect blame I said MILLS and PERRY (Not just Perry)

They signed Beasley and Jack? And did Tim Haraway Jr sign himself? Or was he getting such a pittance that we couldn't have signed anybody else for it? A real two way player who can't shoot and doesn't play defense, how can you not like that? And yeah I'll ask to get my name changed to Burkeshouldgo or maybe BuckFurke? You'll like that won't you?

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.

I am not sure where this is coming from in regards to Scott Perry. Perry signed two vets to one year league mini deals (Jack and Bease) and two young guys to league mini deals with a team option in Burke and Williams. Three of those guys were very much a part of the Knicks team and were needed. What young players or vets were out there for that money that would have produced more? Those four signings cost the Knicks under 4 mil. Not sure what people's expectations were but I would love to see a list of 4 two way players that were available for that amount of money that Perry missed out on. Also, Williams and Burke appear to be a part of the Knick's future.

Nice try to deflect blame I said MILLS and PERRY (Not just Perry)

They signed Beasley and Jack? And did Tim Haraway Jr sign himself? Or was he getting such a pittance that we couldn't have signed anybody else for it? A real two way player who can't shoot and doesn't play defense, how can you not like that? And yeah I'll ask to get my name changed to Burkeshouldgo or maybe BuckFurke? You'll like that won't you?

I left Perry out of the blame because what you said is inaccurate about him. He didn't sign Tim. Bease was signed to a 1 yr league minimum deal. You have issues with that? Thanks for letting me know your next name so I can avoid the @ssfest the next time you leave and come back. Also, noticed here are no league minimum two way players named that the Knicks missed the boat on because they used a roster spot on Bease.

I made a comment about the FO not signing two way players you tried your best to make it about Beasly. I don't know how to look up free agent availability in the past but I do think at any point they can give a contract to a two way prospect from the G- league, if they were sincere about it.
- Not sure how someone who had his face firmly planted in Melo's @ss for six straight years would miss a @ssfest. I mean let's be honest here, you WERE the @ssfest.

VCoug wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.

I am not sure where this is coming from in regards to Scott Perry. Perry signed two vets to one year league mini deals (Jack and Bease) and two young guys to league mini deals with a team option in Burke and Williams. Three of those guys were very much a part of the Knicks team and were needed. What young players or vets were out there for that money that would have produced more? Those four signings cost the Knicks under 4 mil. Not sure what people's expectations were but I would love to see a list of 4 two way players that were available for that amount of money that Perry missed out on. Also, Williams and Burke appear to be a part of the Knick's future.

One of the stupid loops that we can't seem to bury is this idea that getting mere serviceable players in trade and as signings is a good thing.It can be under the right circumstances but there's an opportunity cost involved in being stingy and conservative.

Where Perry failed in my book is in not trading Lee, Thomas, Kanter, and a few others to get players who might be risky but have upside or to get additional picks. Why did we keep these guys?

Honestly.

Ainge takes chances. Smart was a risk - a talented player with a bad reputation. Maybe Mudiay becomes that for Perry.

Morris is another example. This year's Boston team had only six returning veterans from the team before AND reinvented itself on the fly. You can 'like' Perry based on nonsense but he needs to start delivering this summer.

I'm still on the wait and see train with Perry and have no idea why so many Knicks fans are already enamored with him but this isn't fair. Courtney Lee and KOQ should have been traded but I have no idea why you'd think there's any market for Lance Thomas or Enes Kanter.

I have no idea what kind of market there was for these players. My fear is that we played hardball and got nada. Many of our guys (and the beginning of our last season supports this) are fine complementary players and would be for contending teams needing to fill out their rosters.
Why we were not strictly playing youth is on the FO. Coaches are obligated to give vets minutes as a common courtesy.

Silly to have hung onto them instead of getting some extra second-rounders or a kid washout needing a change of scenery.

The guy who found those picks is still here, and Phil isnt. Sounds good to me.

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not high or low on Mills and Perry. In fact what they do now will determine to large extent how I feel about them. But they seem to have made very questionable free agent signings given their "focus on defense". The two things don't line up - so if they are just talking up defense to then choose the likes if Trae Young I will be pissed. But if they do choose a two way player with solid defensive instincts I will applaud them. The jury is out.

I am not sure where this is coming from in regards to Scott Perry. Perry signed two vets to one year league mini deals (Jack and Bease) and two young guys to league mini deals with a team option in Burke and Williams. Three of those guys were very much a part of the Knicks team and were needed. What young players or vets were out there for that money that would have produced more? Those four signings cost the Knicks under 4 mil. Not sure what people's expectations were but I would love to see a list of 4 two way players that were available for that amount of money that Perry missed out on. Also, Williams and Burke appear to be a part of the Knick's future.

One of the stupid loops that we can't seem to bury is this idea that getting mere serviceable players in trade and as signings is a good thing.It can be under the right circumstances but there's an opportunity cost involved in being stingy and conservative.

Where Perry failed in my book is in not trading Lee, Thomas, Kanter, and a few others to get players who might be risky but have upside or to get additional picks. Why did we keep these guys?

Honestly.

Ainge takes chances. Smart was a risk - a talented player with a bad reputation. Maybe Mudiay becomes that for Perry.

Morris is another example. This year's Boston team had only six returning veterans from the team before AND reinvented itself on the fly. You can 'like' Perry based on nonsense but he needs to start delivering this summer.

Danny Ainge on May 9th just celebrated his 15th year as GM for the Celtics.
If Danny Ainge called the knicks to make a trade proposal Scott Layden would have picked the phone up.
Your saying that Perry got to get his shyt together ASAP or else?
Knick GM's have been wiping the mess of its predecessors for years.
George W. Bush in his First Term as president.
Ainge rebuild on the fly but had years of asset accumulation and enrichment to work with. He has done a masterful job. Knicks squander picks and blow money on starphuchs and you wonder why they are chasing their tail?