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BigDaddyG
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4/4/2018  6:33 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:I had a bad feeling when Mudiay blamed all the time he spent on the bench recently for his lack of conditioning. Like a benching is a free pass to put on lbs. Too big to shy away from contact at the rim. For a second rounder, it was worth a look since this was his first new team since getting drafted.

Shy away from contact.....Is a generational problem. This isn't the 80s anymore. Guards like that Euro, slow, change direction mid flight move. Kyrie does it a lot. I saw Dotson do a similar move. It's looks slower with Mudiay because he's bigger and slower....and his moves are slow....Nothing quick about him. But he plays down hill and has straight line acceleration (difference from shifty lateral quickness). So his age and ability to attack the rim is valuable. Pulling up away from contact is a habit he will mostly keep doing, unless he does a complete 180 over the break. But that's his style, love it or hate it. Just like nobody will tell Kyrie to attack the defender. Mudiay is the same way. He rather attack but avoid the defender with Euro step moves. Just a different style of play.

Yes and no. Yes, the game isnt as physical. Mudiay is still pretty bad in that dept. Takes it strong to the rim, but often before contact, arches his upper body to the side. Which makes it hard for him to finish because he's too off balance.

One more reason to appreciate Burke, he's smaller than all the other PGs on the roster, since Shane Larkin. But Burke goes stronger to the rim than all of them, and often finishes.


That used to be a weakness for Burke, but it now appears to be a strength. There's still some hope for Mudiay. I think the first thing he needs to understand is balance, whether it's on J's or drives. The last 20 point game he had, I noticed he had a nice up and rhythm on J.
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4/4/2018  8:06 PM
Mike Malone, (whose Dad BRENDAN coached me in high school), had parting words for Mudiay: “work hard”. He knew the kid had a long way to go.
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4/4/2018  8:34 PM
Paris907 wrote:Mike Malone, (whose Dad BRENDAN coached me in high school), had parting words for Mudiay: “work hard”. He knew the kid had a long way to go.

Wow nice

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4/4/2018  8:41 PM
martin wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Mike Malone, (whose Dad BRENDAN coached me in high school), had parting words for Mudiay: “work hard”. He knew the kid had a long way to go.

Wow nice

It's pretty clear he lacks that drive that you hope for.
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martin wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Mike Malone, (whose Dad BRENDAN coached me in high school), had parting words for Mudiay: “work hard”. He knew the kid had a long way to go.

Wow nice

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4/4/2018  10:32 PM
Paris907 wrote:
martin wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Mike Malone, (whose Dad BRENDAN coached me in high school), had parting words for Mudiay: “work hard”. He knew the kid had a long way to go.

Wow nice

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4/4/2018  11:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I hate his attitude his game and he will never shoot the ball the right way--not in the next 5 years easy. No defense no IQ--terrible terrible nothingness trade.

Yeah — he has looked miserable IMO.

To stand any chance of a turnaround he must.....

#1 get in GREAT shape.....I am talking about a complete change in diet and prob dropping 10-12 LBs

More so than his perimeter shooting his softness around the rim kills me....he has that big, strong body...he gets to the rim and then he fades away or he double pumps shying from contact. If he can fix his %at the rim that would be a big help.

Outside of above points he shoots poorly, doesn’t seem to defend and team seems to get murder3 when he is on court.

I loved the pick up and now I feel like someone sold me a ford pinto.
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4/4/2018  11:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
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Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.


Yeah i'll be patient with him, but concerned because he is so poor on both sides of the ball. I wish he had one skill that stood out, given he's about to finish year 3. I thought he was a better scorer than he is. I didn't realize he can't shoot or finish. Defense i knew was bad.

He really doesnt look like he gives a sht--which is a killer.

Hard to read a book by its cover...ClYde Frazier rarely showed an6 emotion and was a killer....extreme compare yeah but maybe more than not caring he just needs to learn how to be a professional....much l8ke Burke had to.
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4/5/2018  1:52 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
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Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.


Yeah i'll be patient with him, but concerned because he is so poor on both sides of the ball. I wish he had one skill that stood out, given he's about to finish year 3. I thought he was a better scorer than he is. I didn't realize he can't shoot or finish. Defense i knew was bad.

He really doesnt look like he gives a sht--which is a killer.

Hard to read a book by its cover...ClYde Frazier rarely showed an6 emotion and was a killer....extreme compare yeah but maybe more than not caring he just needs to learn how to be a professional....much l8ke Burke had to.

Clyde gives such good analysis of players' pluses and minuses. Why is the team not offering a guard clinic from their HOFer? I'm sure he can lend a few insights that could be improvements for Frank, THJ and Mudiay.

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4/7/2018  10:55 AM
Adding Mudiay and giving him playing time was utter stupidity on by Jeff, Perry and Mills part. You have Burke, Ntlikina and Dotson why on earth would you even take a chance on Mudiay. There are some who think Mudiay didn’t take time away from anyone when in fact every second he played was time taken away from a more important player going forward. You had some saying Mudiay doesn’t take time away from Dotson and Dotson isn’t ready and all that freaking jazz. It’s in was ready from the very beginning but these nut bags who run the Knicks have their head up the wazoo. Burke, ntlikina and Dotson should have been getting heavy minutes from the very beginning.
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4/7/2018  11:29 AM
Vmart wrote:Adding Mudiay and giving him playing time was utter stupidity on by Jeff, Perry and Mills part. You have Burke, Ntlikina and Dotson why on earth would you even take a chance on Mudiay. There are some who think Mudiay didn’t take time away from anyone when in fact every second he played was time taken away from a more important player going forward. You had some saying Mudiay doesn’t take time away from Dotson and Dotson isn’t ready and all that freaking jazz. It’s in was ready from the very beginning but these nut bags who run the Knicks have their head up the wazoo. Burke, ntlikina and Dotson should have been getting heavy minutes from the very beginning.

Mudiay should do next season what Burke did this season by going to play in Westchester. I just hope that he wants it as much as Burke did.
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Vmart wrote:Adding Mudiay and giving him playing time was utter stupidity on by Jeff, Perry and Mills part. You have Burke, Ntlikina and Dotson why on earth would you even take a chance on Mudiay. There are some who think Mudiay didn’t take time away from anyone when in fact every second he played was time taken away from a more important player going forward. You had some saying Mudiay doesn’t take time away from Dotson and Dotson isn’t ready and all that freaking jazz. It’s in was ready from the very beginning but these nut bags who run the Knicks have their head up the wazoo. Burke, ntlikina and Dotson should have been getting heavy minutes from the very beginning.

Mudiay was only 21 when the Knicks traded for him. He was the 7th pick in the 2015 draft and was ranked #2 in his high school class. Early in his career Jason Kidd said Mudiay would be better than him. Getting him for almost nothing and giving him a chance was a worthwhile risk in my opinion. Mudiay isn't a 2/3 so he wasn't taking time away from Dotson. Dotson will end up with about 1000 minutes of court time between Westchester and the Knicks. Jeff addressed Frank wearing down from the long season, the physcial and mental grind etc. back in February. Burke appeared to deserve more minutes from the start but giving Mudiay minutes in a lost season doesn't seem like a waste of time in my opinion. Mudiay was a classic low risk, high reward potential guy. Smart front offices take chances on guys like that.
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CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:Adding Mudiay and giving him playing time was utter stupidity on by Jeff, Perry and Mills part. You have Burke, Ntlikina and Dotson why on earth would you even take a chance on Mudiay. There are some who think Mudiay didn’t take time away from anyone when in fact every second he played was time taken away from a more important player going forward. You had some saying Mudiay doesn’t take time away from Dotson and Dotson isn’t ready and all that freaking jazz. It’s in was ready from the very beginning but these nut bags who run the Knicks have their head up the wazoo. Burke, ntlikina and Dotson should have been getting heavy minutes from the very beginning.

Mudiay was only 21 when the Knicks traded for him. He was the 7th pick in the 2015 draft and was ranked #2 in his high school class. Early in his career Jason Kidd said Mudiay would be better than him. Getting him for almost nothing and giving him a chance was a worthwhile risk in my opinion. Mudiay isn't a 2/3 so he wasn't taking time away from Dotson. Dotson will end up with about 1000 minutes of court time between Westchester and the Knicks. Jeff addressed Frank wearing down from the long season, the physcial and mental grind etc. back in February. Burke appeared to deserve more minutes from the start but giving Mudiay minutes in a lost season doesn't seem like a waste of time in my opinion. Mudiay was a classic low risk, high reward potential guy. Smart front offices take chances on guys like that.

I was high on Mudiay too but I have seen. He was given ample opportunity to succeed with the Nuggets and it didn’t work and they moved on getting something for nothing. The key being he was the 7th pick. Did he live up to it? He didn’t live up to the 7th pick standard. He is no longer equivalent to that 7th pick standard. JKiddbsaid he is going to be better than me. If your hanging you hat on BS like that ridiculous. Jason Kidd isn’t going to bad mouth anyone. To me Mudiay was an absolute useless move all it did was take away development time of the future. Waste of time is huge and the Knicks can’t keep doing it.
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4/7/2018  2:30 PM
Not sure what the plan was with this kid. His opportunity might extend beyond this season and into the summer for his rehab.
To say he is an object failure at this moment is a momentum comment based on our shytty history.
Waste of time? Not sure I'd say that even if he flushes out. Low risk on a kid with obvious athletic ability an talent. Its a low percentage gamble. We are taking on a lot of the projects and few open spots. Burke turned out ok. More don't that do. Thats how it works!
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4/7/2018  4:03 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:Adding Mudiay and giving him playing time was utter stupidity on by Jeff, Perry and Mills part. You have Burke, Ntlikina and Dotson why on earth would you even take a chance on Mudiay. There are some who think Mudiay didn;t take time away from anyone when in fact every second he played was time taken away from a more important player going forward. You had some saying Mudiay doesnt take time away from Dotson and Dotson isnt ready and all that freaking jazz. Its in was ready from the very beginning but these nut bags who run the Knicks have their head up the wazoo. Burke, ntlikina and Dotson should have been getting heavy minutes from the very beginning.

Mudiay was only 21 when the Knicks traded for him. He was the 7th pick in the 2015 draft and was ranked #2 in his high school class. Early in his career Jason Kidd said Mudiay would be better than him. Getting him for almost nothing and giving him a chance was a worthwhile risk in my opinion. Mudiay isn't a 2/3 so he wasn't taking time away from Dotson. Dotson will end up with about 1000 minutes of court time between Westchester and the Knicks. Jeff addressed Frank wearing down from the long season, the physcial and mental grind etc. back in February. Burke appeared to deserve more minutes from the start but giving Mudiay minutes in a lost season doesn't seem like a waste of time in my opinion. Mudiay was a classic low risk, high reward potential guy. Smart front offices take chances on guys like that.

I was high on Mudiay too but I have seen. He was given ample opportunity to succeed with the Nuggets and it didnt work and they moved on getting something for nothing. The key being he was the 7th pick. Did he live up to it? He didn;t live up to the 7th pick standard. He is no longer equivalent to that 7th pick standard. JKiddbsaid he is going to be better than me. If your hanging you hat on BS like that ridiculous. Jason Kidd isnt going to bad mouth anyone. To me Mudiay was an absolute useless move all it did was take away development time of the future. Waste of time is huge and the Knicks can;t keep doing it.

What keeps me scratching my head is why Larry Brown went out of his way to be so vocally supportive of Mudiay going into the draft.
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Larry Brown was supposed to be Emmanuel Mudiay's coach at SMU. That never happened, of course, as Mudiay spurned a freshman year in college to make money and play professionally in Guangdong, China. Brown, however, harbors no ill will towards Mudiay – if anything, he's his biggest fan, and thinks the Denver Nuggets hit a home run when they drafted Mudiay. Here's what he told Paul Klee of the Colorado Springs Gazette:

"'I watch John Wall a lot,' Brown said. 'Emmanuel is maybe not as quite as explosive as John. It’s close. But at this stage in this career he’s more advanced as a point guard. And I think John Wall is now one of the elite guards in the league, and I think Emmanuel can be that.'"

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How was he so wrong?
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4/8/2018  1:57 PM
We have him for another two years if we want to keep him.

The trade was made...I am no fan of his, but he's still worth looking at.

What kind of injuries was he sidelined with last year? I thought he looked bigger last season.
He's also not as quick as I thought he was.

Big reason I believe Denver let him go was his D...You can't have a porous perimeter with Jokic at 5...but I assume there were other reasons.

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Mudiay acts like Willy did. Like he's entitled. He's gotta get into better shape and work harder. Like Trey Burke did.
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WaltLongmire wrote:We have him for another two years if we want to keep him.

The trade was made...I am no fan of his, but he's still worth looking at.

What kind of injuries was he sidelined with last year? I thought he looked bigger last season.
He's also not as quick as I thought he was.

Big reason I believe Denver let him go was his D...You can't have a porous perimeter with Jokic at 5...but I assume there were other reasons.


Murray. They moved on. They in playoff push and he would not factor in.
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