Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Bernard30 wrote:I hate the move for the kid. He was going to go and possibly dominate against a bunch of 17-21 year old kids, get plenty of minutes and be a "go to" type guy. Now he's going to be up against former college ballers who are bigger, stronger and much more experienced. Obviously, only time will tell but I think going to the G League and getting less playing time and possibly struggling will do nothing for his confidence and/or to up his draft stock. Plus, college is a dreamworld for a guy like that. Class doesn't really matter when you're one-and-done anyway. I'm very interested to see how this works out but I personally think it's the "wrong" move.

going to college...he's competing against 100s of colleges with 1000s of college players, vs g-league = 15 x 30 = 450, at least he will know whether he can grow into that sooner rather than later...AND earn money at the same time.
look at Dotson and several other 2nd rounders...they get their playing time in G-League anyway. At the very least, he's already on par with them as far as experience. So 1 yr college min and 1 year G-League (like Dotson) vs 2 years G-League earning money and gaining NBA rules experience...to me that makes him more NBA ready at the end of 2 years.

Can we say someone like Dotson is truly ready to contribute consistently off the bench vs someone like Troy Williams?
Anytime we are taking money away from NCAA and putting it in the hands of the actual players...I will always be in favor of that.

Nobody here is wrong. Each player has his own unique circumstance.
Mudiay's family needed the money. Some players, like THjr certainly did not.
Jalil Oka4 had a great season, won a national chip and was the third player taken, the money was significant. The kid came and for the first few weeks of the season he was the real deal. Has not been the same since. IM not sure what the problem is. He can't even get off the bench in Brooklyn.
If its money, he did real good. But if he was looking at making the best pro career perhaps it warrants (With hindsight)to review him and maybe if there was a maturity issue would he have been better to have stayed a few years?
Is the issue of jumping from high school to the pros all about money? The thing is if there is to be any issues with a player the Gleague is still a pro league. He is an adult and treated like one. Might be even worse at the gleague because its game to game its about proving ones self. I have known a few hockey players who played in the minors and they said its awful because you are playing for your life. Its one thing to face intense competition but its another to get it from your teammates who yoru trying to crawl over. This is the game and nobody put a gun to his head and made him do it, he chose that life. Its like that until you get a guaranteed contract.
This kid if he is good will be the first to be drafted by an NBA team from the Gleague? What team does he go to? THey do have a draft. Will that team develop the kid as they likely won't have any stake in him. True with lots of players but they can sign them, not him until he is drafted. IN college he is recruited and is promised a starting job and will be featured. He will be heralded as the new guy and welcomed to the family. He will have coaching and trainers at his call. If he is in NY he will train in the same place as knicks but not in most other cities. Even so, he is not part of any NBA team.
See the problem? So unless he is a bonafide blue chip the endorsement money won't be substantial unless a team is buying into the potential. How many high school kids have the hype right now for endorsements? In college he will actually be marketed by the school to sell tickets and increase ratings. THat adds value to his brand. The gleague team might do it for the same reasons, but really, who watches those games on TV besides a few of us?
Every few years there is a LeBron type who is ready. Its rare.
IM all for getting these kids money as 18 year olds and now they can. Is it a lot? No, but if market demand is high there is more money in Europe or China.
If NBA teams really want minors they can draft the kids, let them go to college (team pays) and perhaps gives them a cap amount to live nicely for them and family.
Kid can develop for a year in the Gleague, and team can invest in the coaching/time or send them to college.
Big question is how does the kid pick a school? Does it create other crooked activity? Must the kid finish the season in college? Can he "Intern" in the summer with the pro team? How many kids per team are allowed this? Do you have more than two rounds of draft to fulfill demand? Can you trade a kids rights while still in school?
There is validity to grooming a player to learn how to play infront of tens of thousands in an arena and be a starter or featured player. Currently college can do this. Gleague he will get $26,000, sit on the bench and play in front of 2,000 fans while riding buses to many games.
Kid better tear it up or he is screwed. Not get injured either.

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Bernard30 wrote:I hate the move for the kid. He was going to go and possibly dominate against a bunch of 17-21 year old kids, get plenty of minutes and be a "go to" type guy. Now he's going to be up against former college ballers who are bigger, stronger and much more experienced. Obviously, only time will tell but I think going to the G League and getting less playing time and possibly struggling will do nothing for his confidence and/or to up his draft stock. Plus, college is a dreamworld for a guy like that. Class doesn't really matter when you're one-and-done anyway. I'm very interested to see how this works out but I personally think it's the "wrong" move.

going to college...he's competing against 100s of colleges with 1000s of college players, vs g-league = 15 x 30 = 450, at least he will know whether he can grow into that sooner rather than later...AND earn money at the same time.
look at Dotson and several other 2nd rounders...they get their playing time in G-League anyway. At the very least, he's already on par with them as far as experience. So 1 yr college min and 1 year G-League (like Dotson) vs 2 years G-League earning money and gaining NBA rules experience...to me that makes him more NBA ready at the end of 2 years.

Can we say someone like Dotson is truly ready to contribute consistently off the bench vs someone like Troy Williams?
Anytime we are taking money away from NCAA and putting it in the hands of the actual players...I will always be in favor of that.

Nobody here is wrong. Each player has his own unique circumstance.
Mudiay's family needed the money. Some players, like THjr certainly did not.
Jalil Oka4 had a great season, won a national chip and was the third player taken, the money was significant. The kid came and for the first few weeks of the season he was the real deal. Has not been the same since. IM not sure what the problem is. He can't even get off the bench in Brooklyn.
If its money, he did real good. But if he was looking at making the best pro career perhaps it warrants (With hindsight)to review him and maybe if there was a maturity issue would he have been better to have stayed a few years?
Is the issue of jumping from high school to the pros all about money? The thing is if there is to be any issues with a player the Gleague is still a pro league. He is an adult and treated like one. Might be even worse at the gleague because its game to game its about proving ones self. I have known a few hockey players who played in the minors and they said its awful because you are playing for your life. Its one thing to face intense competition but its another to get it from your teammates who yoru trying to crawl over. This is the game and nobody put a gun to his head and made him do it, he chose that life. Its like that until you get a guaranteed contract.
This kid if he is good will be the first to be drafted by an NBA team from the Gleague? What team does he go to? THey do have a draft. Will that team develop the kid as they likely won't have any stake in him. True with lots of players but they can sign them, not him until he is drafted. IN college he is recruited and is promised a starting job and will be featured. He will be heralded as the new guy and welcomed to the family. He will have coaching and trainers at his call. If he is in NY he will train in the same place as knicks but not in most other cities. Even so, he is not part of any NBA team.
See the problem? So unless he is a bonafide blue chip the endorsement money won't be substantial unless a team is buying into the potential. How many high school kids have the hype right now for endorsements? In college he will actually be marketed by the school to sell tickets and increase ratings. THat adds value to his brand. The gleague team might do it for the same reasons, but really, who watches those games on TV besides a few of us?
Every few years there is a LeBron type who is ready. Its rare.
IM all for getting these kids money as 18 year olds and now they can. Is it a lot? No, but if market demand is high there is more money in Europe or China.
If NBA teams really want minors they can draft the kids, let them go to college (team pays) and perhaps gives them a cap amount to live nicely for them and family.
Kid can develop for a year in the Gleague, and team can invest in the coaching/time or send them to college.
Big question is how does the kid pick a school? Does it create other crooked activity? Must the kid finish the season in college? Can he "Intern" in the summer with the pro team? How many kids per team are allowed this? Do you have more than two rounds of draft to fulfill demand? Can you trade a kids rights while still in school?
There is validity to grooming a player to learn how to play infront of tens of thousands in an arena and be a starter or featured player. Currently college can do this. Gleague he will get $26,000, sit on the bench and play in front of 2,000 fans while riding buses to many games.
Kid better tear it up or he is screwed. Not get injured either.

At least in the G-League, you are getting your answer sooner rather than later. Better for the player (don't want to start a new career at 30 with no other marketable skills...at least I'd want to know sooner where I belong).

And...Even if I play in the G-League for a few years, the chances of getting called up are much greater than having the label of good college player turned NBA bust on me....no one is expecting Troy Williams or Ron Baker to tear up the NBA...is the pressure higher on them...or higher on Dotson? I would say Dotson.

Cartman718 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Bernard30 wrote:I hate the move for the kid. He was going to go and possibly dominate against a bunch of 17-21 year old kids, get plenty of minutes and be a "go to" type guy. Now he's going to be up against former college ballers who are bigger, stronger and much more experienced. Obviously, only time will tell but I think going to the G League and getting less playing time and possibly struggling will do nothing for his confidence and/or to up his draft stock. Plus, college is a dreamworld for a guy like that. Class doesn't really matter when you're one-and-done anyway. I'm very interested to see how this works out but I personally think it's the "wrong" move.

going to college...he's competing against 100s of colleges with 1000s of college players, vs g-league = 15 x 30 = 450, at least he will know whether he can grow into that sooner rather than later...AND earn money at the same time.
look at Dotson and several other 2nd rounders...they get their playing time in G-League anyway. At the very least, he's already on par with them as far as experience. So 1 yr college min and 1 year G-League (like Dotson) vs 2 years G-League earning money and gaining NBA rules experience...to me that makes him more NBA ready at the end of 2 years.

Can we say someone like Dotson is truly ready to contribute consistently off the bench vs someone like Troy Williams?
Anytime we are taking money away from NCAA and putting it in the hands of the actual players...I will always be in favor of that.

Nobody here is wrong. Each player has his own unique circumstance.
Mudiay's family needed the money. Some players, like THjr certainly did not.
Jalil Oka4 had a great season, won a national chip and was the third player taken, the money was significant. The kid came and for the first few weeks of the season he was the real deal. Has not been the same since. IM not sure what the problem is. He can't even get off the bench in Brooklyn.
If its money, he did real good. But if he was looking at making the best pro career perhaps it warrants (With hindsight)to review him and maybe if there was a maturity issue would he have been better to have stayed a few years?
Is the issue of jumping from high school to the pros all about money? The thing is if there is to be any issues with a player the Gleague is still a pro league. He is an adult and treated like one. Might be even worse at the gleague because its game to game its about proving ones self. I have known a few hockey players who played in the minors and they said its awful because you are playing for your life. Its one thing to face intense competition but its another to get it from your teammates who yoru trying to crawl over. This is the game and nobody put a gun to his head and made him do it, he chose that life. Its like that until you get a guaranteed contract.
This kid if he is good will be the first to be drafted by an NBA team from the Gleague? What team does he go to? THey do have a draft. Will that team develop the kid as they likely won't have any stake in him. True with lots of players but they can sign them, not him until he is drafted. IN college he is recruited and is promised a starting job and will be featured. He will be heralded as the new guy and welcomed to the family. He will have coaching and trainers at his call. If he is in NY he will train in the same place as knicks but not in most other cities. Even so, he is not part of any NBA team.
See the problem? So unless he is a bonafide blue chip the endorsement money won't be substantial unless a team is buying into the potential. How many high school kids have the hype right now for endorsements? In college he will actually be marketed by the school to sell tickets and increase ratings. THat adds value to his brand. The gleague team might do it for the same reasons, but really, who watches those games on TV besides a few of us?
Every few years there is a LeBron type who is ready. Its rare.
IM all for getting these kids money as 18 year olds and now they can. Is it a lot? No, but if market demand is high there is more money in Europe or China.
If NBA teams really want minors they can draft the kids, let them go to college (team pays) and perhaps gives them a cap amount to live nicely for them and family.
Kid can develop for a year in the Gleague, and team can invest in the coaching/time or send them to college.
Big question is how does the kid pick a school? Does it create other crooked activity? Must the kid finish the season in college? Can he "Intern" in the summer with the pro team? How many kids per team are allowed this? Do you have more than two rounds of draft to fulfill demand? Can you trade a kids rights while still in school?
There is validity to grooming a player to learn how to play infront of tens of thousands in an arena and be a starter or featured player. Currently college can do this. Gleague he will get $26,000, sit on the bench and play in front of 2,000 fans while riding buses to many games.
Kid better tear it up or he is screwed. Not get injured either.

you're wrong. a college player's brand is worth **** unless they have the talent to go like top 5, top 10 at the most. NBA teams don't care about how many tickets a player sold, they are scouting and drafting on talent alone and estimating what will translate well into the NBA. Why is it that there are so many "busts" coming from college? Because their game is used to college level and they can't translate well.

At least in the G-League, you are getting your answer sooner rather than later. Better for the player (don't want to start a new career at 30 with no other marketable skills...at least I'd want to know sooner where I belong).

And...Even if I play in the G-League for a few years, the chances of getting called up are much greater than having the label of good college player turned NBA bust on me....no one is expecting Troy Williams or Ron Baker to tear up the NBA...is the pressure higher on them...or higher on Dotson? I would say Dotson.

We not talking about getting called up, we talking about getting drafted after one year in the GLeague. We talking about like 10 kids a year who are projected one and done. Syracuse would build its team to promote the talent that would make its star recruit a one and done with a lottery pick in its alumni! Thats what kids want. Gleague going to build its team to star a kid it has no vested interest in? Syracuse paints a picture of its roster, coach and how the kid will be featured. Drafted to a Gleague teams means you have no control and the roster might change 10x in a season. But not that player, he can't get called up.
Take a top 5 talent in any year. Lets say Melo? The team handed him the keys once he showed he could handle it. You think the Maine Red Claws are going to forgo its players development so a kid can come in, avg 40pts and all the other guys on the team are going to love that? Trae Young is a rock star for what he did. Would that have happend playing for OKC's Gleague team? He would be playing against lots of players who have NBA talent but need a chance and they would take the whole thing very personally if he lit them up.
Im not saying there is not a place for some players but a universal alternative for a slew of players I'd say no its not. You can't be a big man in college you are not going to blow up the Gleague. The league is full of guys who were all gods in high school and excelled really well in college!