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fishmike
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9/7/2004  4:15 PM
lets see Sweetney in training camp. For all we know Mike will be a better player. Last year wasnt how you would want to draw up a rookie season. His father died right before camp, nobody worked w/ him, he was on IR to start the year with now clear direction of getting off, he TURNED 21 after he was drafted... Now he's in better shape, has an idea what he needs to do to adjust to the NBA game and has a coaching staff and GM pushing him where he needs to go. The summer leagues were a joke for him, he utterly dominated, so lets see.
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9/7/2004  4:41 PM
Posted by fishmike:

lets see Sweetney in training camp. For all we know Mike will be a better player. Last year wasnt how you would want to draw up a rookie season. His father died right before camp, nobody worked w/ him, he was on IR to start the year with now clear direction of getting off, he TURNED 21 after he was drafted... Now he's in better shape, has an idea what he needs to do to adjust to the NBA game and has a coaching staff and GM pushing him where he needs to go. The summer leagues were a joke for him, he utterly dominated, so lets see.






I agree, I would like to see what Sweets can do for us before we go out and try to get a PF. He has definitely shown at times that he can turn into a very good player so we should give him a shot.
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9/7/2004  5:07 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by fishmike:

lets see Sweetney in training camp. For all we know Mike will be a better player. Last year wasnt how you would want to draw up a rookie season. His father died right before camp, nobody worked w/ him, he was on IR to start the year with now clear direction of getting off, he TURNED 21 after he was drafted... Now he's in better shape, has an idea what he needs to do to adjust to the NBA game and has a coaching staff and GM pushing him where he needs to go. The summer leagues were a joke for him, he utterly dominated, so lets see.


I agree, I would like to see what Sweets can do for us before we go out and try to get a PF. He has definitely shown at times that he can turn into a very good player so we should give him a shot.
I'd love to get Rahim just to get his expiring contract. Sweetney has nothing to do with my interest in Rahim. But I don't see the Blazers being interested in anything we would offer.
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9/7/2004  5:56 PM
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i'll come back & haunt. i'm not playa.

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9/7/2004  6:20 PM
Very curious. As far as fantasy leagues go, I'd definitely prefer SAR over Sweetney--- in any other team but Portland, he's capable of 20ppg/10rpg.

Sweetney made some major strides in the summer league, and he looks like he'll become a solid rotation guy, if not starter. I still wonder if his lack of height will limit his success in the NBA. Clearly he dominated the weaker summer league competition, but as we all know, true NBA big men tend to be bigger and more athletic than their summer league counterparts.

Sweetney bangs and has long arms, but I don't know if that translates to him having the potential to be a good defender (SAR's biggest knock).
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9/7/2004  7:50 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Very curious. As far as fantasy leagues go, I'd definitely prefer SAR over Sweetney--- in any other team but Portland, he's capable of 20ppg/10rpg.

Sweetney made some major strides in the summer league, and he looks like he'll become a solid rotation guy, if not starter. I still wonder if his lack of height will limit his success in the NBA. Clearly he dominated the weaker summer league competition, but as we all know, true NBA big men tend to be bigger and more athletic than their summer league counterparts.

Sweetney bangs and has long arms, but I don't know if that translates to him having the potential to be a good defender (SAR's biggest knock).
Being 6'8" won't hurt Sweetney because of his long wing span. I'd rather have his wing span and be 6'8" than be 6'9" with the wingspan of an average 6'9" player
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9/7/2004  10:35 PM
sweetney is the PERFECT example of a young talent you develop and let blossom. no need to bring reef here.
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9/7/2004  10:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

sweetney is the PERFECT example of a young talent you develop and let blossom. no need to bring reef here.
You try to get Shareef because of his expiring contract, not because of anything he can do on the basketball court
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9/7/2004  10:49 PM
Does anyone actually want Shareef? I can't decide. I think he'd score well here, but I don't know his defensive game at all.

Would Portland accept Allan and Kurt and Ariza for Reef, Ruben and Derek Anderson? The Knicks would be giving up $87 million in salary, while Portland would be giving up $61 million, while arguably getting two of the best three players in the deal and a great prospect and losing two unhappy players and one oft injured, overpaid player. Allan would have to prove his health, but if he was healthy he could be the difference on that Portland team being really special.

Just a thought. Not sure if I buy my own proposal...
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9/7/2004  11:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by technomaster:

Very curious. As far as fantasy leagues go, I'd definitely prefer SAR over Sweetney--- in any other team but Portland, he's capable of 20ppg/10rpg.

Sweetney made some major strides in the summer league, and he looks like he'll become a solid rotation guy, if not starter. I still wonder if his lack of height will limit his success in the NBA. Clearly he dominated the weaker summer league competition, but as we all know, true NBA big men tend to be bigger and more athletic than their summer league counterparts.

Sweetney bangs and has long arms, but I don't know if that translates to him having the potential to be a good defender (SAR's biggest knock).
Being 6'8" won't hurt Sweetney because of his long wing span. I'd rather have his wing span and be 6'8" than be 6'9" with the wingspan of an average 6'9" player

I always wonder about that. A long wingspan helps (except when you have to do push-ups or bench presses!) somewhat, but there are lots of players in the NBA w/ long wingspans AND height who play these positions.

And no matter what people say, if you're "only" 6'8", someone can put their hands in your face much easier than if you're a legit 6'10". A 6'8" bruiser won't get the same looks as a their 6'10" counterpart.

Heck, if you're Chris Kaman or Kevin Willis (7 footers w/ "relatively" short arms), you still see things above most other players.

I see his long wingspan is generally a plus, but not a complete substitute for true size.

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9/7/2004  11:47 PM
Posted by technomaster:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by technomaster:

Very curious. As far as fantasy leagues go, I'd definitely prefer SAR over Sweetney--- in any other team but Portland, he's capable of 20ppg/10rpg.

Sweetney made some major strides in the summer league, and he looks like he'll become a solid rotation guy, if not starter. I still wonder if his lack of height will limit his success in the NBA. Clearly he dominated the weaker summer league competition, but as we all know, true NBA big men tend to be bigger and more athletic than their summer league counterparts.

Sweetney bangs and has long arms, but I don't know if that translates to him having the potential to be a good defender (SAR's biggest knock).
Being 6'8" won't hurt Sweetney because of his long wing span. I'd rather have his wing span and be 6'8" than be 6'9" with the wingspan of an average 6'9" player

I always wonder about that. A long wingspan helps (except when you have to do push-ups or bench presses!) somewhat, but there are lots of players in the NBA w/ long wingspans AND height who play these positions.

And no matter what people say, if you're "only" 6'8", someone can put their hands in your face much easier than if you're a legit 6'10". A 6'8" bruiser won't get the same looks as a their 6'10" counterpart.

Heck, if you're Chris Kaman or Kevin Willis (7 footers w/ "relatively" short arms), you still see things above most other players.

I see his long wingspan is generally a plus, but not a complete substitute for true size.
You're comparing him to 7 footers. The average PF is 6'9" with much shorter arms than Sweetney. I'd give up an inch in height to have Sweetney's wing span instead of the average PF's body. I'd also rather have Sweetney than the 7 footers you mentioned with short arms like Willis and Kaman now

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/07/2004 23:55:16]
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9/8/2004  12:53 AM
"Abdur-Rahim odd man out

The Blazers are going to build around Zach Randolph, and the last thing they want is an unhappy power forward behind him. Abdur-Rahim has only one year left on his contract, but it's for $14.6 million.

It sure sounds like he's headed for the New York Knicks, who are desperate to put together a team that can contend immediately."

What does that mean it sure sounds like? What did he hear? Does the article say anything else? I hate having to register for these stories. If only Penny were expiring this year.
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9/8/2004  1:21 AM
From RealGM

The Portland Trail Blazers resigning of Darius Miles created a significant problem at the two forward positions. Zach Randolph is their power forward and will be so for a very long time, leaving Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who feels most comfortable at power forward, in tweener limbo.

The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that the New York Knicks would be more than willing to take Abdur-Rahim. Abdur-Rahim has only one year left on his contract, though it is a significant $14.6 million.

Isiah Thomas would likely trade Kurt Thomas or Allan Houston in return.


Hmmm. Sky's trade is perfect if only if they think K Thomas is solid enough, and they believe Penny's contract next year will be good as an expiring contract. But thats 16mil against their cap, and they have ALOT of cap space if they dont take him on.

Wishful thinking. Maybe get a third team involved to take on Penny? Once again wishful thinking.

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9/8/2004  1:51 AM
Ok here's a dumb trade proposal.

New York trades:
SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives:
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)
PF Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 5.5 minutes)
SG Dahntay Jones (1.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 7.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.2 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Portland trades:
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)
Portland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 65 games)
SF Bo Outlaw (4.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.8 ppg, +8.1 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

Memphis trades:
C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.8 minutes)
SF Bo Outlaw (4.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.6 minutes)
PF Ryan Humphrey (1.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 5.5 minutes)
SG Dahntay Jones (1.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 7.7 minutes)
Memphis receives:

SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 76 games)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 80 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.0 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Portland gets Lorenzen Wright and K Thomas, two more than service-able big men. And B Outlaw comes off the books, and rid themselves of Patterson.

Memphis gets P Hardaway (A Memphis guy) and N Muhammed who is equal if not better in production L Wright and rid themselves of alot of players they might have to cut.

We sign Klark. And cut Humphrey and Jones.

Our 5 is weak with Baker, Klark, and occasionally Sweetney and J Williams.

But at the 4 we have Abdur-Rahim, Sweetney, J Williams (who can also play 3) and occasionally T Thomas.
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9/8/2004  2:56 AM
mike sweetney has a nice wingspan, not a long wingspan. Im pretty sure Mike is 6-8 in shoes with a 7-1 wingspan. Just for comparison off the top of my head guys like david west emeka okafor and chris bosh all have wingspans of 7-4 from guys who have been drafted the last 2 years and they are all taller with bosh being the tallest at close to 7 feet. Heck SF like josh howard and even trevor ariza have longer arms than mike. Hes got a nice wingspan but certainly no big deal. remember james lang he was 6-9 1/4 barefoot with a 7-6.5 wingspan, same as KG's. what mike has is upper body bulk to go along with long arms which gives him more space against a defender, but certainly nothing extraordinary. he has skills and uses his body to optimize those skills
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9/8/2004  6:28 AM
Posted by toodarkmark:

From RealGM
Isiah Thomas would likely trade Kurt Thomas or Allan Houston in return.
Please Isiah, pull this one off. PLEASE!!!
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9/8/2004  9:23 AM
yea, AH+KT for SAR+ruber would be nice.
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9/8/2004  9:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

mike sweetney has a nice wingspan, not a long wingspan. Im pretty sure Mike is 6-8 in shoes with a 7-1 wingspan. Just for comparison off the top of my head guys like david west emeka okafor and chris bosh all have wingspans of 7-4 from guys who have been drafted the last 2 years and they are all taller with bosh being the tallest at close to 7 feet. Heck SF like josh howard and even trevor ariza have longer arms than mike. Hes got a nice wingspan but certainly no big deal. remember james lang he was 6-9 1/4 barefoot with a 7-6.5 wingspan, same as KG's. what mike has is upper body bulk to go along with long arms which gives him more space against a defender, but certainly nothing extraordinary. he has skills and uses his body to optimize those skills
Can you provide a link or source for your claim about Ariza and Howard having longer wing spans?
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9/8/2004  10:14 AM
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20030619-010105-8544r.htm
"Sweetney has great hands, good footwork and a 7-foot-1 wingspan."

Trevor Ariza Wingspan: 7'2

http://nba.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml

This is about what you would expect as both players are the same height.


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9/8/2004  10:25 AM
Posted by fishmike:

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20030619-010105-8544r.htm
"Sweetney has great hands, good footwork and a 7-foot-1 wingspan."

Trevor Ariza Wingspan: 7'2

http://nba.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml

This is about what you would expect as both players are the same height.

I'm willing to give Sweets a chance, because as we all saw with Larry Johnson, good footwork goes a long way in the post. Also, Sweets has a nose for rebounds, which is important.
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