knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I never doubted THJ potential, I just didn't think it would move the needle unless melo stayed or we upgraded the pg position significantly.

Valid concerns but signing Hardaway wasnt specifically about this season. Was about the overall picture of collecting players around the same age group to compete together for many yrs to come. As it was explained by the FO.

That's exactly right. The assumption is he will continue to improve and chemistry will develop from this group.

Our pg's are not on the same time line as our prime players, most of the vets won't be around long. Building chemistry means you have at least 7 rotational players on deck for the next 3 yrs, we barely have 2.

The only way we will build chemistry is when we are 110% committed to winning, and i mean across the boards.

This trade deadline will show me all i need to know about the direction of this team, how competent the FO is

talk about a magical pull out of your ass totally pretend number.

NO TEAM that is still building has 7 core guys. Try 3-4... unless you want to tell me the team your talking about?

I see this (as of today):

CORE:
Frank 19
KP 22
THjr 25

Prospects:
Willy 23
Dotson 23

Vets who wont be here past their current deals:
Lance
Lee
Noah

Coming or going?
McD
Kanter
KOQ
Baker
Burke

Might be around a bit longer as they are useful:
Jack
Beas

You cant use the deadline as a measuring stick for the franchise's future. Its certainly possible the Knicks do nothing if there are no deals that help. No deals better than bad deals. While there may be offers, and Im sure there will be its not a given they are GOOD offers for us

so basically we have no core, and KP's (not so distant future) will be base on the progression, culture and stability of the team and franchise.

The melo trade is turning in to a lateral move(aka, keith van horn for tim thomas), considering our win loss record, we're like a game or 2 better i believe.

This trade deal line is a chance for us to add a piece, balance this lopisodid roster, give your coach a legit chance to make the playoffs,boost moral, and send a message to the loyal fans after that down right depressing 2016/17 season.

Or they can sit on their hands, do nothing, hope you get a gem in the draft, and risk losing your "ready now players, or any chance of a B+ or better FA

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I never doubted THJ potential, I just didn't think it would move the needle unless melo stayed or we upgraded the pg position significantly.

Valid concerns but signing Hardaway wasnt specifically about this season. Was about the overall picture of collecting players around the same age group to compete together for many yrs to come. As it was explained by the FO.

That's exactly right. The assumption is he will continue to improve and chemistry will develop from this group.

Our pg's are not on the same time line as our prime players, most of the vets won't be around long. Building chemistry means you have at least 7 rotational players on deck for the next 3 yrs, we barely have 2.

The only way we will build chemistry is when we are 110% committed to winning, and i mean across the boards.

This trade deadline will show me all i need to know about the direction of this team, how competent the FO is

talk about a magical pull out of your ass totally pretend number.

NO TEAM that is still building has 7 core guys. Try 3-4... unless you want to tell me the team your talking about?

I see this (as of today):

CORE:
Frank 19
KP 22
THjr 25

Prospects:
Willy 23
Dotson 23

Vets who wont be here past their current deals:
Lance
Lee
Noah

Coming or going?
McD
Kanter
KOQ
Baker
Burke

Might be around a bit longer as they are useful:
Jack
Beas

You cant use the deadline as a measuring stick for the franchise's future. Its certainly possible the Knicks do nothing if there are no deals that help. No deals better than bad deals. While there may be offers, and Im sure there will be its not a given they are GOOD offers for us

so basically we have no core, and KP's (not so distant future) will be base on the progression, culture and stability of the team and franchise.

The melo trade is turning in to a lateral move(aka, keith van horn for tim thomas), considering our win loss record, we're like a game or 2 better i believe.

This trade deal line is a chance for us to add a piece, balance this lopisodid roster, give your coach a legit chance to make the playoffs,boost moral, and send a message to the loyal fans after that down right depressing 2016/17 season.

Or they can sit on their hands, do nothing, hope you get a gem in the draft, and risk losing your "ready now players, or any chance of a B+ or better FA

The Melo trade just like the Hardaway signing wasnt a move made specifically to compete this season. Doesn't matter if you agree with the moves or don't. It is what it is.

I can tell your right now that the Knicks wont make any push for playoff type moves unless some no brainer move falls in their lap. Perry would have only considered that if we were 600. win type team by the deadline. But he isn't making any moves to *save* the season. And imo, that desperation is how you get yourself in trouble.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I never doubted THJ potential, I just didn't think it would move the needle unless melo stayed or we upgraded the pg position significantly.

Valid concerns but signing Hardaway wasnt specifically about this season. Was about the overall picture of collecting players around the same age group to compete together for many yrs to come. As it was explained by the FO.

That's exactly right. The assumption is he will continue to improve and chemistry will develop from this group.

Our pg's are not on the same time line as our prime players, most of the vets won't be around long. Building chemistry means you have at least 7 rotational players on deck for the next 3 yrs, we barely have 2.

The only way we will build chemistry is when we are 110% committed to winning, and i mean across the boards.

This trade deadline will show me all i need to know about the direction of this team, how competent the FO is

talk about a magical pull out of your ass totally pretend number.

NO TEAM that is still building has 7 core guys. Try 3-4... unless you want to tell me the team your talking about?

I see this (as of today):

CORE:
Frank 19
KP 22
THjr 25

Prospects:
Willy 23
Dotson 23

Vets who wont be here past their current deals:
Lance
Lee
Noah

Coming or going?
McD
Kanter
KOQ
Baker
Burke

Might be around a bit longer as they are useful:
Jack
Beas

You cant use the deadline as a measuring stick for the franchise's future. Its certainly possible the Knicks do nothing if there are no deals that help. No deals better than bad deals. While there may be offers, and Im sure there will be its not a given they are GOOD offers for us

so basically we have no core, and KP's (not so distant future) will be base on the progression, culture and stability of the team and franchise.

The melo trade is turning in to a lateral move(aka, keith van horn for tim thomas), considering our win loss record, we're like a game or 2 better i believe.

This trade deal line is a chance for us to add a piece, balance this lopisodid roster, give your coach a legit chance to make the playoffs,boost moral, and send a message to the loyal fans after that down right depressing 2016/17 season.

Or they can sit on their hands, do nothing, hope you get a gem in the draft, and risk losing your "ready now players, or any chance of a B+ or better FA

The Melo trade just like the Hardaway signing wasnt a move made specifically to compete this season. Doesn't matter if you agree with the moves or don't. It is what it is.

I can tell your right now that the Knicks wont make any push for playoff type moves unless some no brainer move falls in their lap. Perry would have only considered that if we were 600. win type team by the deadline. But he isn't making any moves to *save* the season. And imo, that desperation is how you get yourself in trouble.

It's not about saving the season, it's about showing your commitment to getting better now and in the future. Or watch KP takes is talents down to south beach..

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I never doubted THJ potential, I just didn't think it would move the needle unless melo stayed or we upgraded the pg position significantly.

Valid concerns but signing Hardaway wasnt specifically about this season. Was about the overall picture of collecting players around the same age group to compete together for many yrs to come. As it was explained by the FO.

That's exactly right. The assumption is he will continue to improve and chemistry will develop from this group.

Our pg's are not on the same time line as our prime players, most of the vets won't be around long. Building chemistry means you have at least 7 rotational players on deck for the next 3 yrs, we barely have 2.

The only way we will build chemistry is when we are 110% committed to winning, and i mean across the boards.

This trade deadline will show me all i need to know about the direction of this team, how competent the FO is

talk about a magical pull out of your ass totally pretend number.

NO TEAM that is still building has 7 core guys. Try 3-4... unless you want to tell me the team your talking about?

I see this (as of today):

CORE:
Frank 19
KP 22
THjr 25

Prospects:
Willy 23
Dotson 23

Vets who wont be here past their current deals:
Lance
Lee
Noah

Coming or going?
McD
Kanter
KOQ
Baker
Burke

Might be around a bit longer as they are useful:
Jack
Beas

You cant use the deadline as a measuring stick for the franchise's future. Its certainly possible the Knicks do nothing if there are no deals that help. No deals better than bad deals. While there may be offers, and Im sure there will be its not a given they are GOOD offers for us

so basically we have no core, and KP's (not so distant future) will be base on the progression, culture and stability of the team and franchise.

The melo trade is turning in to a lateral move(aka, keith van horn for tim thomas), considering our win loss record, we're like a game or 2 better i believe.

This trade deal line is a chance for us to add a piece, balance this lopisodid roster, give your coach a legit chance to make the playoffs,boost moral, and send a message to the loyal fans after that down right depressing 2016/17 season.

Or they can sit on their hands, do nothing, hope you get a gem in the draft, and risk losing your "ready now players, or any chance of a B+ or better FA

The Melo trade just like the Hardaway signing wasnt a move made specifically to compete this season. Doesn't matter if you agree with the moves or don't. It is what it is.

I can tell your right now that the Knicks wont make any push for playoff type moves unless some no brainer move falls in their lap. Perry would have only considered that if we were 600. win type team by the deadline. But he isn't making any moves to *save* the season. And imo, that desperation is how you get yourself in trouble.

It's not about saving the season, it's about showing your commitment to getting better now and in the future. Or watch KP takes is talents down to south beach..

KP is under contract for 2 more seasons. And Knicks can match any offer any team gives him. And Knivks can offer him more money then any team can offer him. Im also pretty sure that what's has turned KP off has been the drama. While this team most likely wont make playoffs. There is no drama.

But sure if there are deals that help us for now and in the future then great. But those players cost a lot in terms of assets needed to acquire them. And I doubt we agree on what players we can get that will help is now and in the future.