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All the good teams have really good PGs
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LivingLegend
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1/24/2018  5:15 PM
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:that's some great analysis briggs, you're really shattering new ground with "frank is 2years away from i don't know what"

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Other traits of good teams:

Continuity
Isiah Thomas
Patience
Allan Crabbe
build thru draft
Seth Curry
Trade with purpose
Darren Collison
don't change coach's frequently
BJ Muellins
Have a plan, stick to it.

Fixed!

Fixed 2X LOL but where is the great f-kaminski and even he will be better than KP in 3years (Willy H)

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1/24/2018  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2018  5:58 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:that's some great analysis briggs, you're really shattering new ground with "frank is 2years away from i don't know what"

USELESS THREAD.

Other traits of good teams:

Continuity
Isiah Thomas
Patience
Allan Crabbe
build thru draft
Seth Curry
Trade with purpose
Darren Collison
don't change coach's frequently
BJ Muellins
Have a plan, stick to it.

Fixed!

Fixed 2X LOL but where is the great f-kaminski and even he will be better than KP in 3years (Willy H)

I always look for 2n rounders that we can swipe that might have first rd talent--so every name I say cant be a winner. That being said I have a majority of great names in there--just two years ago #1 choice for a 2nd rd pick was Brogdon--and nobody else even knew who he was. To find the more obscure player--its isnt easy!

also theres no lock that Willy G might be more valuable than KP at some period of time

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1/24/2018  7:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2018  7:35 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Houston has 2. When we get 1 wake me up because were going no where without 1. And in terms of fantasy Frank N is 2 years away from being 2 years away--from what Im not sure.

Who would you get? (That would be available) The only one that I thought was worth trading for was Irving.

Right now I hope we sck enough for a chance at Trae Young. If I can get I Thomas for reasonable to look at for 40 games--Ill do it--I might be serious about Tyreke Evans after season in FA--Im not to sure past that point. We dont have a really great player which is also a problem. Thj and KP are good--not close to great. I mean our most consistent player is Beasley. A really good PG make other players better--might help KP especially.

Right now Im thinking that we might be making a mistake trading Willy.

Would have trouble giving up substantial assets (Probably what it takes) for IT. Specially after an injury and expiring. Dont think Mills would even entertain that. Think KP was playing like a great player at the begining of the season. Timmy playing well. Like Kanter but maybe not at $19M. If we get Beas at reasonable price i like our chances. Specially if we get some draft picks for Lee and KO and Kanter. Would ahve Timmy, KP, Willy, Frank, Doug, Dotson, Burke as you building pieces and money for a free agent signing. Dont think a IT desperation move of giving up assets is the way to go.

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1/24/2018  7:43 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:that's some great analysis briggs, you're really shattering new ground with "frank is 2years away from i don't know what"

USELESS THREAD.

Other traits of good teams:

Continuity
Isiah Thomas
Patience
Allan Crabbe
build thru draft
Seth Curry
Trade with purpose
Darren Collison
don't change coach's frequently
BJ Muellins
Have a plan, stick to it.

Fixed!

Fixed 2X LOL but where is the great f-kaminski and even he will be better than KP in 3years (Willy H)

I always look for 2n rounders that we can swipe that might have first rd talent--so every name I say cant be a winner. That being said I have a majority of great names in there--just two years ago #1 choice for a 2nd rd pick was Brogdon--and nobody else even knew who he was. To find the more obscure player--its isnt easy!

also theres no lock that Willy G might be more valuable than KP at some period of time

Until Willy even plays passable D, its a lock that he wont be.

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1/25/2018  11:20 AM
Regarding Tony Parker: he's been working his way back from an injury and has been hobbled by injuries over the past few years. So moving him into a Ginobili role (ie show some flashes of brilliance to stay fresh, then stash him away for a few games) makes a lot of sense.

Curious what SA thinks of Murray's upside to promote him as their starting PG.

Dejounte Murray (6'5" 6'9 wingspan - 170lbs!!!! age 21, 29th overall draft pick).
6.7ppg, 2.6apg, 4.9rpg in 18.5mpg (50 games in 2017-2018).
3.4ppg, 1.3apg, 1.1rpg in 8.5mpg (38 games in his rookie year)


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5.4ppg, 3.4apg, 2.3rpg in 20.7mpg (45 games in 2017-2018).

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1/25/2018  12:33 PM
Draft Collin Sexton or this kid from Kentucky has been climbing up draft boards--Shai Gilgeous Alexander. Don't know much about him at all but he's climbing up draft boards for a reason.
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1/25/2018  12:49 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Draft Collin Sexton or this kid from Kentucky has been climbing up draft boards--Shai Gilgeous Alexander. Don't know much about him at all but he's climbing up draft boards for a reason.

How many developmental PGs do you want? Its not doable. I agree with someone who said Wendall Carter. A guy who can play with KP has a fully developed body advanced game gives us a starter right away plays both sides of the ball with somewhat depressed lottery talent(meaning he should go higher) If we can do a Carter /Hutchinson draft--wed virtually get a starting 5 and 3--thats what this team needs. Wed have a lot of big guys--Id rather be the team that spends a bit on a Tyreke Evnas or IT to help play with Frank at PG. This team is NOT winning w developmental PGs.

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1/25/2018  1:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Draft Collin Sexton or this kid from Kentucky has been climbing up draft boards--Shai Gilgeous Alexander. Don't know much about him at all but he's climbing up draft boards for a reason.

How many developmental PGs do you want? Its not doable. I agree with someone who said Wendall Carter. A guy who can play with KP has a fully developed body advanced game gives us a starter right away plays both sides of the ball with somewhat depressed lottery talent(meaning he should go higher) If we can do a Carter /Hutchinson draft--wed virtually get a starting 5 and 3--thats what this team needs. Wed have a lot of big guys--Id rather be the team that spends a bit on a Tyreke Evnas or IT to help play with Frank at PG. This team is NOT winning w developmental PGs.

I wouldn't say that 6'9" 255 pound kid is a fully developed body for the center position, Now for PF he'd be fine and depending on where he's drafted PF might be the position he'll be playing. I do really like him and what he brings to the court and wouldn't be mad at that pick at all but if we're gonna draft a PF/C kid who's somewhat undersized for the center spot then i think Robert Williams would be the better pick cause KP needs that defense playing next to him more then he needs offense playing next to him.

The title of this thread was about good teams having good PG's though which is why i said C.Sexton and SGA. If we're talking about who we should pick with our top pick and not focusing on PG's then my first choice would be Mikal Bridges but can't see us getting a high enough pick for him. I also like Miles Bridges who could make it to our pick but not if we're picking 10 or later and he most likely won't even make it to 10. So if i'm looking at 10 or later then i would have W.Carter, R.Williams, D.Musa, J.Vanderbilt and T.Brown on my list. I think Musa could be a great pick for us.

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1/25/2018  1:34 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Draft Collin Sexton or this kid from Kentucky has been climbing up draft boards--Shai Gilgeous Alexander. Don't know much about him at all but he's climbing up draft boards for a reason.

How many developmental PGs do you want? Its not doable. I agree with someone who said Wendall Carter. A guy who can play with KP has a fully developed body advanced game gives us a starter right away plays both sides of the ball with somewhat depressed lottery talent(meaning he should go higher) If we can do a Carter /Hutchinson draft--wed virtually get a starting 5 and 3--thats what this team needs. Wed have a lot of big guys--Id rather be the team that spends a bit on a Tyreke Evnas or IT to help play with Frank at PG. This team is NOT winning w developmental PGs.

I wouldn't say that 6'9" 255 pound kid is a fully developed body for the center position, Now for PF he'd be fine and depending on where he's drafted PF might be the position he'll be playing. I do really like him and what he brings to the court and wouldn't be mad at that pick at all but if we're gonna draft a PF/C kid who's somewhat undersized for the center spot then i think Robert Williams would be the better pick cause KP needs that defense playing next to him more then he needs offense playing next to him.

The title of this thread was about good teams having good PG's though which is why i said C.Sexton and SGA. If we're talking about who we should pick with our top pick and not focusing on PG's then my first choice would be Mikal Bridges but can't see us getting a high enough pick for him. I also like Miles Bridges who could make it to our pick but not if we're picking 10 or later and he most likely won't even make it to 10. So if i'm looking at 10 or later then i would have W.Carter, R.Williams, D.Musa, J.Vanderbilt and T.Brown on my list. I think Musa could be a great pick for us.

Im always looking for the best pro player first up there---what is attractive about Carter is he has played a year of high level big to big--weve had sucess with big to big BUT Kanter is not diverse enough on both ends of the court LONG term for this franchise.

Im hoping that IF we are sellers we can fin another 1st rd draft choice for a wing. I dont think the "lottery wings" are any much better than guys listed in the 30-40s

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All the good teams have really good PGs

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