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LivingLegend
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1/22/2018  7:32 PM
fishmike wrote:as usual... glad your not.

You have harped and harped and harped on a variety of guys. Isaiah Thomas is your worst suggestion ever. We are never winning anything paying $30mm to a 5'9 PG with a bad hip. Phucking retarded

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1/22/2018  8:10 PM
I'll do that Trade
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1/22/2018  8:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2018  8:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up
How long do you wait for the laughter to subside before hanging up. So essentially, they would've trade Kyrie Irving for Lee, KOQ, Crowder and the Net's first round pick (currently #8). As much as I'm not an IT fan, Cleveland would be crazy to accept that deal. They're ride or die with IT.
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1/22/2018  8:18 PM
dwiley20 wrote:I'll do that Trade

Weve scked so many years that inherently fans dont even get what wins. We have messes from management ownership coaching--never a real plan. The plan here is simple--I want to look at Isiah Thomas as the Knick PG for free while I get rid of Courtney Lees extra contract. How could the Cavs say no to this OR the Knicks--it helps BOTH teams. We havent had an alpha PG in 20 years other than Marbury who was a nutjob.

The one time we did--Jason Kidd--we were pretty good. It takes an alpha PG to formulate a plan for the team and its players--there is NO other evidence--sorry Isiah Thomas lead his team to the ECF and best record while avg 30 a game. He still is 28. Yes hes coming off injury--so do a lot of players. And hes free to look at. Same guy who's saying Isiah Thomas s cks also tells us that Stanley Johnson and his 35% shooting will change things here? Thats the stupidity!!!! Try to win!!

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1/22/2018  8:20 PM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up
How long do you wait for the laughter to subside before hanging up. So essentially, they would've trade Kyrie Irving for Lee, KOQ, Crowder and the Net's first round pick (currently #8).

They did that trade for the pick. Why do they want I Thomas--hes a ball dominant PG and Lebron is the man? Doesnt fit. They get back two really nice players for them--fit much better. I Thomas here? well I think hed fit nicely--gives us a true star.

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1/22/2018  8:26 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up
How long do you wait for the laughter to subside before hanging up. So essentially, they would've trade Kyrie Irving for Lee, KOQ, Crowder and the Net's first round pick (currently #8).

They did that trade for the pick. Why do they want I Thomas--hes a ball dominant PG and Lebron is the man? Doesnt fit. They get back two really nice players for them--fit much better. I Thomas here? well I think hed fit nicely--gives us a true star.

So if Irving didn't demand the trade they still would've made the deal just to get that pick? Huh?

The only reason they got a pick in return is because the Cavs had to take on the risk of an injured player who they didn't know when he's would return or if he would return to last year's form. Yeah, I would do that deal if I'm the Knicks. Cleveland? No way!

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1/22/2018  8:51 PM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up
How long do you wait for the laughter to subside before hanging up. So essentially, they would've trade Kyrie Irving for Lee, KOQ, Crowder and the Net's first round pick (currently #8).

They did that trade for the pick. Why do they want I Thomas--hes a ball dominant PG and Lebron is the man? Doesnt fit. They get back two really nice players for them--fit much better. I Thomas here? well I think hed fit nicely--gives us a true star.

So if Irving didn't demand the trade they still would've made the deal just to get that pick? Huh?

The only reason they got a pick in return is because the Cavs had to take on the risk of an injured player who they didn't know when he's would return or if he would return to last year's form. Yeah, I would do that deal if I'm the Knicks. Cleveland? No way!

The Cavs can get more from Oquinn and LKee than Thomas for their team. Basketball is also about chemistry. I mean no team has to do anything--we can try to sck and get the 8-9 pick again too. Im not sure what the plan is anyway? Get Stanley Johnson for two first rd picks and hope he can get back to 9th grade form?

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1/22/2018  9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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1/22/2018  9:31 PM
I find it increasingly odd that a team that has made some modest progress defensively, would want to bring on a defensive liability, particularly one coming off a serious injury. I’d rather have KCP. Younger, stronger, boards, plays solid defense and steals 1.7 per game. Let Lee go. He’ll be approaching 33, will no longer be two way as a result and let KCP have his minutes at the 2/3 depending on matchups. He’s be our Marcus Smart but with 14 ppg on limited minutes in LA.
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1/23/2018  1:35 AM
Paris907 wrote:I find it increasingly odd that a team that has made some modest progress defensively, would want to bring on a defensive liability, particularly one coming off a serious injury. I’d rather have KCP. Younger, stronger, boards, plays solid defense and steals 1.7 per game. Let Lee go. He’ll be approaching 33, will no longer be two way as a result and let KCP have his minutes at the 2/3 depending on matchups. He’s be our Marcus Smart but with 14 ppg on limited minutes in LA.

I Thomas has been back for four games. Its going to take 10-15 games and practice to start getting back to form. Im not sure Cleveland has the patience and or I dont think they like the chemistry.


When you watch the Knicks--what is the biggest thing they lack? They lack an alpha dog PG who can make a shot in the 4th Q--thats what Isiaih Thomas is. We can afford to part with C Lee and Oquinn---the net is we GAIN cap space AND we get a 40+ games look at our team with an ACTUAL STAR NBA pg while his value is low) We need an Isiah to organize our players into a pecking order.

Im suggestive of a trade for Isiah and NOT getting nervous with Willy right now UNLESS we get a deal for a guard who is the same age with same bonfides. If we did do an IT I would definitely break out Noah into the Oquinn role a little more KP at C and keep Kanter down to 18-21 minutes 5-4(I think he has a higher value as a 20 minute player) We bring in Thomas we increase our defensive guards roles Frank N and Baker--and our defensive C Noah.

There is NO better player for us in trades. Hes almost dead free. IM NOT paying draft pick and young players for Kemba walker or anything else the Knicks might due. Its pretty simple--I WANT ADDED cap space for next year and I want to look at Isiah running this team for 40 games. No draft pick moves no mortgaging out--But a trade with some value in two ways.

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1/23/2018  6:12 AM
I’ll accede to IT if you agree to KCP being a more than adequate replacement for Lee. Watched Miami nearly upset Houston in Houston - holding them to 99 points. IT - Beas - KP - THJr - & Frank are gonna give up A LOTTA POINTS. WE NEED defensive minded players and I’m hoping Perry finds them.
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1/23/2018  7:07 AM
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id offer
Oquinn and Courtney Lee
for Isiah Thomas and Channing Frye straight up

Why wast good assets for 5 more wins per season?
IT is nice little broken jumping jack.
To get little IT we need to get back old IT first.


5 less wins! He looks horrible right now. Yeah it's his spring training. Let's at least wait to see if he can return to being an adequate player though. He's played 7 games and Briggs has started about 5 threads on the guy.
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1/23/2018  9:47 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:as usual... glad your not.

You have harped and harped and harped on a variety of guys. Isaiah Thomas is your worst suggestion ever. We are never winning anything paying $30mm to a 5'9 PG with a bad hip. Phucking retarded

Nope--gets rid of C Lee's loner term contract and gets me one of the best PGs in the NBA. If its so stupid--can you tell me how he dragged the Cs to the best record and RCF last year? Not 8 years ago--last year--best player on a top 4 team. 29-6-3 46.5%
If we replace J Jack with I thomas--were going to the playoffs this year and we get to see the player first hand for 40 more games. I dont care if you didnt watch him the last two years--I mean the Cs were in the playoffs and the Knicks were figuring out the lottery. Time to get players who can get us advanced.

pretty sure Avery Bradley, Horford, Amir Johnson and Crowder is a solid supporting cast. Literally one great season. Its just dumb. And he was surrounded by top flight defensive players at every other starting position.

Also... IT didnt drag the Celtics to the ECF. You know who that team had? Jordan Mickey

Anywho luckily for us new management does not appear totally retarded so I think this is something we avoid.

Briggs your a fun poster. IThomas is not fun. Look at his whole career. Last year's Celtics team was like the Iverson team that went deep. It was IT and 5-6 of the NBA's better defensive players. Also the reality is Ainge was tactical in trading IT before he had to pay him.

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1/23/2018  10:10 AM
I get the idea of buying low- but IT has Amar'e Staudemire II all there. No thank you.

I'd rather pay a bit more and get a better PG - personally like Kemba Walker, but we should still be focused on building 3-5 years out vs. what can we do today.

Ever since Ewing, we've been in this terrible circle of 'we're 1 piece away'.

Yes, we could use a PG that can take over a game, that could set up KP, take some of the defensive focus off him.

BUT IT is the wrong way to get there!

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1/23/2018  10:33 AM
I think Briggs is saying that if IT is healthy, we should get him.
If so, would he not command a good salary?
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1/23/2018  10:42 AM
fishmike wrote:as usual... glad your not.

You have harped and harped and harped on a variety of guys. Isaiah Thomas is your worst suggestion ever. We are never winning anything paying $30mm to a 5'9 PG with a bad hip. Phucking retarded

I 100% have to agree..WTF is Isaiah is suppose to do for anyone other than himself. Their is a reason he's been traded so much. I'm not saying he's a selfish player, but he has a scorers( i need to score 30 in order for my team to win) mentality

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1/23/2018  2:46 PM
Rather just play T.Burke more minutes because as i've said in another thread, if he has his off court issues settled, which he says he does since getting married and having a child then we just might get the T.Burke that many thought he was gonna be coming out of the draft after being picked at #9. If the way he played in the G-League is any indication that he does have his head right then we already have a guy that can do everything that I.Thomas can do and at a much lower cost then what I.Thomas is gonna get paid. I'm not sure what I.Thomas does that T.Burke can't do if he's that same player we saw in the G-League and if anyone can tell me what he can't do that I.Thomas can do then please let me know? He can drive around any guard to get to the basket and he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor at a good rate and isn't very good on the defensive end just like I.Thomas.
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1/23/2018  2:48 PM
Cav's should send IT2 to the GLeague for his "Spring Training"?
Cav's imploding when he came off DL. Rose is back with the team. JR is riding the pine and Shump's hair shows he lost his swag.
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1/23/2018  4:43 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Rather just play T.Burke more minutes because as i've said in another thread, if he has his off court issues settled, which he says he does since getting married and having a child then we just might get the T.Burke that many thought he was gonna be coming out of the draft after being picked at #9. If the way he played in the G-League is any indication that he does have his head right then we already have a guy that can do everything that I.Thomas can do and at a much lower cost then what I.Thomas is gonna get paid. I'm not sure what I.Thomas does that T.Burke can't do if he's that same player we saw in the G-League and if anyone can tell me what he can't do that I.Thomas can do then please let me know? He can drive around any guard to get to the basket and he can shoot it from anywhere on the floor at a good rate and isn't very good on the defensive end just like I.Thomas.

This is insanity gone to far? NY wake me up when Trey Burke avg 30-6-3 on an ECF finals team. And tell him Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder sent you. With all of the great nBA players I T 2 lead 4th Q scoring for the ENTIRE NBA. You are getting a FREE look at him in this scenario! And guess what--we arent getting a better player than IT 2 ANY time soon--sorry 34% Stan Johsnon LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1/23/2018  5:17 PM
franco12 wrote:I get the idea of buying low- but IT has Amar'e Staudemire II all there. No thank you.

I'd rather pay a bit more and get a better PG - personally like Kemba Walker, but we should still be focused on building 3-5 years out vs. what can we do today.

Ever since Ewing, we've been in this terrible circle of 'we're 1 piece away'.

Yes, we could use a PG that can take over a game, that could set up KP, take some of the defensive focus off him.

BUT IT is the wrong way to get there!

We have our PG.

Noah, Thomas, and Willie for Smith, Frye, and Crowder.

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