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fishmike
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1/16/2018  8:58 AM
Min, Mia, Was, OKC... Nets have plenty of quality wins and play hard. Knicks needed this game and had to earn yet. Yes the Knicks are more talented.

I agree with the thread subject. Knicks have been very complacent of late. Their passing has been lazy. Their close outs have been sluggish and their picks and cuts are haf hearted. They look like a tired group and they are. Infusing some new blood accomplishes several things. Fresh legs speak for themselves. Also guys dont want to lose minutes and that is just psych 101. Frank may only be 19 but you think he wants to lose PT to a new comer? Burke is 5 years older than Frank, but Frank showed what people who like him expect. Doesnt back down and rises to challenges.

This was a something to grow on game for Frank.

Burke has a skill set that Jeff can really use and really needs. I think this helps.

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1/16/2018  9:08 AM
Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?
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1/16/2018  9:19 AM
Nalod wrote:Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?

Digest this...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57789&page=2

To answer your question, yes it does. Can help a player focus.

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1/16/2018  9:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2018  9:28 AM
During the game they were reporting that before the game the coaching staff talked to Frank and fed him a Kobe quote "If your afraid to fail, then you are probably going to fail". Frank claimed that he has been thinking to much last couple of games and that he needs to start playing more on instinct.

Don't care for the cause but a change in Frank's approach was needed as he was pretty bad the last couple of games. Don't know if we can nail it down to Trey Burke being the reason or a combination of different contributions. But at the end of the day the issues only being mental hurdles that could be overcome are just part of growing pains.

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1/16/2018  9:27 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?

Digest this...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57789&page=2

To answer your question, yes it does. Can help a player focus.

Good call.

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1/16/2018  9:44 AM
martin wrote:I think Trey type player would be a good compliment to Frank once Frank takes hold of the starting position. Change of pace scoring PG.

bingo

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1/16/2018  9:45 AM
nixluva wrote:
TheGame wrote:While I think Frank works hard anyway, competition is always a good thing. It has been a good four games since I have seen Frank be that active on defense and he was more aggressive on offense. I fully believe the kid recognized that Trey is hungry young guard and Frank wanted to show that he is the future starter. Due to Frank's defense, Burke will probably never overtake him but you have a different level of motivation when you know there is a guy behind you that has won national college player of the year and who is hungry for minutes. Good move by the Knicks.

Only thing is Frank always plays hard on is D! The bad Offensive games recently were the issue. Even still Frank was playing well from the start of this game and he led me the team to take the lead in his 1st minutes.

Frank IMO is self motivated. He’s MOSTLY been a source of energy for this team all season. I think Burke is a good move for this team whether he played well or not I expect Nitty would’ve continued to play well in this game.

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1/16/2018  9:54 AM
I think the Nets had a bigger impact on Frank than Burke. This was the Knicks third game against them. Last month he had 7 points and 8 assists. In October, when the Knicks won their first game, he had 9 points and 5 assists on 11 shots.
Remember this quote from Jeff: "Sometimes it's who meshes well with what group," he said. "Frank is meshing well with our second group, Jarrett (Jack)'s meshing well with the first group. We see times when they do mesh with other group and it's not so comfortable. It's Frank's continued work. He's learning the teams in this league, the guys in this league, he's going to get better as the season goes on."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeff-hornacek-explains-frank-ntilikina-isn-starting-article-1.3732160

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1/16/2018  10:27 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?

Digest this...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57789&page=2

To answer your question, yes it does. Can help a player focus.

Kudos!!
We do have guys saying he is not NBA material and should hone his craft in the Dleague. I contend the knicks are satisfied that he is capable so I'd rather him get 20 quality minutes then 35 in the Gleague.
As for fear, he is 19 and that seems like he can't hit a shot. Kobe never had to worry about his place on his team but frank is uproven so its a mindphuch for the kid.
I am very happy knicks are letting him play thru his mistakes. I see what a lot of you guys do regarding turnovers and indecision.

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1/16/2018  10:30 AM
Great game by Frank. This is how aggressive and up tempo he needs to be. There were a few times he pulled up and slowed down the offense when I thought he could have attacked but overll a great game by him. Think competition definately helped but more importatnly Burke helped him see what an aggressive guard does for the offense.
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1/16/2018  10:51 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
martin wrote:I think Trey type player would be a good compliment to Frank once Frank takes hold of the starting position. Change of pace scoring PG.

bingo

That's the ticket. It reminds me of Mark Jackson and Travis best in Indiana. If we could get that type of production that would be fantastic.

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1/16/2018  10:57 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TheGame wrote:While I think Frank works hard anyway, competition is always a good thing. It has been a good four games since I have seen Frank be that active on defense and he was more aggressive on offense. I fully believe the kid recognized that Trey is hungry young guard and Frank wanted to show that he is the future starter. Due to Frank's defense, Burke will probably never overtake him but you have a different level of motivation when you know there is a guy behind you that has won national college player of the year and who is hungry for minutes. Good move by the Knicks.

Only thing is Frank always plays hard on is D! The bad Offensive games recently were the issue. Even still Frank was playing well from the start of this game and he led me the team to take the lead in his 1st minutes.

Frank IMO is self motivated. He’s MOSTLY been a source of energy for this team all season. I think Burke is a good move for this team whether he played well or not I expect Nitty would’ve continued to play well in this game.

fixed.

NBA PG is the toughest job to master in the game! Nitty came in Young and Raw but he’s shown he can DEFEND and actually run a team already. Yes he’s been hesitant to look for his own scoring but in the scheme of things it’s not the worst fault to have.

Despite his low offensive output he STILL managed to have a positive impact on the team. The team played better with him on the floor than when he was off. He can only get better from here as he adds more scoring.

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1/16/2018  11:02 AM
So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??
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1/16/2018  11:15 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

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1/16/2018  11:16 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I don't see this being a concern as we have mid level exception which I don't see any team spend more than that value on him. Odds are high that he doesn't command even mid level type of money by season end though. He would have to put up Lin numbers and help lead Knicks to playoffs.

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1/16/2018  11:22 AM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?

Digest this...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57789&page=2

To answer your question, yes it does. Can help a player focus.

Kudos!!
We do have guys saying he is not NBA material and should hone his craft in the Dleague. I contend the knicks are satisfied that he is capable so I'd rather him get 20 quality minutes then 35 in the Gleague.
As for fear, he is 19 and that seems like he can't hit a shot. Kobe never had to worry about his place on his team but frank is uproven so its a mindphuch for the kid.
I am very happy knicks are letting him play thru his mistakes. I see what a lot of you guys do regarding turnovers and indecision.

Not NBA material was excessive, shot down those notions myself. Could have been the G-League, another young PG to push him. Frank needed something to make him realize that his lack of aggression could cost him playing time.

Hardaway credited the G-League for helping put things in focus, get back what he lost. Frank following the same path wouldn't have been the Scarlet Letter some have made it out to be. Frank needed something or someone to make him realize that his game was treading water. Would be great if we're seeing a new phase in the development of his game.

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1/16/2018  11:26 AM
Trey was one of my favorite NCAA players of the past decade. I have high hopes for him. Last year I was hopeful that maybe we could flip Jennings for him. Really awesome that we ended up with him.

That said he's tiny. There are ways to overcome it. But it really is a hard thing to overcome. We saw that with Shane Larkin.

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1/16/2018  11:27 AM
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

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1/16/2018  12:16 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

I couldn’t find anything supporting this. I may have confused him with another player tho I could swear I heard it on the Knicks broadcast. All I’ve seen written is that he’s a UFA next yr.

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1/16/2018  12:23 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

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