BRIGGS wrote:either sign Isiah Thomas or draft Trae Young. It would be easier I think to pay up to Thomas(again the caveat that hes healthy)

I dont see any other "engine" type PGs who can change our play available.

Right now I guarantee if I had pick 1 Trae Young would be a Knick. No question asked. Also I would be willing to give Kristaps Porzinigs to get him. Thats if I know in June I wont get Thomas.

If you're giving up KP to get Trae Young, who is Trae Young passing to? Who is protecting the rim for him?

Young has been impressive but not enough to make me give up on Ntilikina in his first season or Kristaps in his third. I definitely think we should go the draft route to round out our team but I am not in favor of hitting the restart button to accomodate the latest splashy prospect either. We need stability more than anything else at this point in what should be a rebuild.

NardDogNation wrote:

Zebo13 wrote:Can’t we just ban Briggs from making threads? It’s kind of making the board lame. I’m sure some of us would like to start threads and discussions but it would just get lost in the shuffle of all the crap.

He's exercising his First Amendment rights peacefully so leave him alone. If his posts irritate you that much, don't read them or put him on the ignore list.

As am I chief! :P

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Zebo13 wrote:Can’t we just ban Briggs from making threads? It’s kind of making the board lame. I’m sure some of us would like to start threads and discussions but it would just get lost in the shuffle of all the crap.

Briggs helped make this board, you just got here.

Briggs never used to be this bad. He says trade porzingis for someone new all the time. Last summer it was josh Jackson. Just can't take this stuff seriously.

LivingLegend wrote:Another ban worthy thread — not even sure how to respond

Here's the response-- the Knicks have sucked for 20 years. Time to start going after winners like Isiah

BRIGGS wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Another ban worthy thread — not even sure how to respond

Here's the response-- the Knicks have sucked for 20 years. Time to start going after winners like Isiah

One reason why I don't think this is a bad idea is because we will soon be capped out once Porzingis gets a max deal anyway so why not add another player while we can. It might be I Thomas or nothing. From that standpoint grabbing Thomas makes sense. We basically have 2 offseasons before Porzingis makes 30 million and eats up 25 million more than he does now which is basically what Thomas will cost anyway.The only problem is I just dont want to give a 30 year old, 5'8" PG 30 million a year for 4 years

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:I can't keep up, is BRIGGS saying Knicks should sign IThomas in the offseason or do everything to draft Trae Young? Or both? That would be an awesome backcourt

Martin-- I want IT-- max contract simple as that. Trae young will be a top 3 pick and realistically not obtainable.

I do feel like we need to add a talent like IT because we need guys who can make plays. Just not sure IT is the right investment here. But the clock is ticking to add talent while KP is on his rookie contract.

As for Trae Young, listen i think he's going to be great. But it's far from a guarantee. Maybe he really is the next Curry, but it's far more likely he's the next Mike Bibby or Jason Williams. Even a guy like Andrew Wiggins, who was supposed to be a sure thing, seems to have plateaud as a good scorer who will never be a star. My point is that even though there's debate that Porzingis will ever be a franchise player, he's still an all-star type already at age 22. He also is the best rim protector in the league who will likely be on a handful of All-NBA Defensive teams as he builds up that reputation. There will likely only be a couple of players in this upcoming draft who reach the level Porzingis is right now, and we have no idea who those guys will be. Finding a star, especially one on both ends is damn hard to find. But i do agree we need to build up our guard play. Everyone can see that. Frank and Hardaway are the future backcourt, but a guy like Clarkson would do wonders. 2 spots we need filled are clear as day. We need a change of pace guard who can push the ball and make plays (how about Duval in the late lottery?) and an all-star level SF. Hardaway's absence emphasizes an already major problem that we lack playmakers in a serious way.

BRIGGS wrote:Isiah thomas looked awesome tonight-- I don't see anything. In terms of residual injury. The best plan would be to show him the money with a full 4 year max contract( last year only partially full) it could change our fortunes-- hoping yo get pick 2-4 is almost unrealistic. But free agency there is no barrier to entry

Nalod wrote:In the scheme of things GS might have been the exception in the evolution of the NBA. You don't get Durant without 11th pick Play, 6th pick Curry and Draymond taken in the second round!
How many years does that have taken to occur? Then Mark Jax had to go and the team further evolved. Mad respect for GS and what they have done. The reserves of Livingston and iggy have been huge!!!
Its foolish to replicate what they have done as Curry is on another planet. Him being taken at the 6th pick, then allowed to mature both physically and emotionally has been a true thing of beauty to watch. Before you go off on Walsh for not making every human effort to draft him, and Minny passed on him twice, remember his status his first few years and look in the mirror and be truthful with yourself and know he likely would have been traded as part of the deal for Melo. Curry was not yet MVP curry.
Cav's continued relevance is based on the back of Lebron. Thats one way. GS is another. Celtics are taking a longer path and have retooled yet again. Major injury to star Haywood and they are still good. And a treasure trove of picks in part because they are patient. Took Tatum instead of Fultz. Way too soon to call that one, but they got the guy they wanted. sometimes its the path not well traveled.
Its hard to build a dynasty with a hard cap the way the NBA is situation. It breeds parity. GS did it with picks that turned out better than the positions they were drafted. WAY BETTER.
To give up on Frank is ignorant. Anyone really think Frank would be a break out pick in half a season? Regardless of his triangle label, it was a high conviction pick and as a fan I'd like to see it thru. No certainty, no guarantee.
Our rebuild started not when Phil walked in, but when KP was drafted. Might even say when Melo left and Frank came in.
Just because the tear down took longer than expected, that does not mean you accelerate it.
Briggs has every right to air his idea. We have every right to discuss it and agree or disagree.