That's the sort of thing a real PG can do.
A real PG won't let Porzingis or anyone get caught up in ISO ball.

Frank just doesn't have the experience or the scoring skills yet to really apply pressure.
But it will come.

Bizzy211 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

At the end of the day, Frank's play must get better. Dude is playing 20+ mins and taking less than 4 freethrows a game. Secondly, lets not pretend like he's breaking the Defense down and dishing to wide open players who are just missing uncontested shots. Thats simply not true.

The Knicks ranking 30th in 3 point attempts is a testament to that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/triangle-knicks-offense-remains-bafflingly-inefficient-article-1.3726530

Frank is being looked at negatively because of what we are seeing on the court. This doesnt mean we want him gone, but once again his play must improve.

Being drafted 8th does come with certain responsibilities/expectations... neither are bad things.

To conclude:

Is Frank a starting PG right now? If the answer is no, why not?

He's 19 isnt an answer... we have to compare and contrast skillsets/talent.

Well see. I do find it very funny some here are quite convinced Frank isnt it when it comes to PG for our future. How anyone can know that is silly, and he's shown more than flashes he can do all the things people harp on.

fishmike wrote:

Bizzy211 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

At the end of the day, Frank's play must get better. Dude is playing 20+ mins and taking less than 4 freethrows a game. Secondly, lets not pretend like he's breaking the Defense down and dishing to wide open players who are just missing uncontested shots. Thats simply not true.

The Knicks ranking 30th in 3 point attempts is a testament to that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/triangle-knicks-offense-remains-bafflingly-inefficient-article-1.3726530

Frank is being looked at negatively because of what we are seeing on the court. This doesnt mean we want him gone, but once again his play must improve.

Being drafted 8th does come with certain responsibilities/expectations... neither are bad things.

To conclude:

Is Frank a starting PG right now? If the answer is no, why not?

He's 19 isnt an answer... we have to compare and contrast skillsets/talent.

I find it funny his defense is so undervalued in a league where guards run amok.
Look at opposing PGs vs. Frank. HE SHUTS GUYS DOWN. If you want context as BAD (and he's been bad) as Frank has been scoring the ball he's holding opponents to a worst EFG% than he's got. Meanwhile a guy like Dennis Smith who cant guard anyone is a chucking TO machine, but we will see. Tonight should be fun.

Well see. I do find it very funny some here are quite convinced Frank isnt it when it comes to PG for our future. How anyone can know that is silly, and he's shown more than flashes he can do all the things people harp on.

Personally, I've nlever once mentioned future and i do share that same sentiment in that regards. His defense has been a breath of fresh air at that position. I agree, this game should be fun. Ill be sure to check in on the thread to discuss this game and Frank of course.

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bizzy211 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

At the end of the day, Frank's play must get better. Dude is playing 20+ mins and taking less than 4 freethrows a game. Secondly, lets not pretend like he's breaking the Defense down and dishing to wide open players who are just missing uncontested shots. Thats simply not true.

The Knicks ranking 30th in 3 point attempts is a testament to that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/triangle-knicks-offense-remains-bafflingly-inefficient-article-1.3726530

Frank is being looked at negatively because of what we are seeing on the court. This doesnt mean we want him gone, but once again his play must improve.

Being drafted 8th does come with certain responsibilities/expectations... neither are bad things.

To conclude:

Is Frank a starting PG right now? If the answer is no, why not?

He's 19 isnt an answer... we have to compare and contrast skillsets/talent.

I find it funny his defense is so undervalued in a league where guards run amok.
Look at opposing PGs vs. Frank. HE SHUTS GUYS DOWN. If you want context as BAD (and he's been bad) as Frank has been scoring the ball he's holding opponents to a worst EFG% than he's got. Meanwhile a guy like Dennis Smith who cant guard anyone is a chucking TO machine, but we will see. Tonight should be fun.

Well see. I do find it very funny some here are quite convinced Frank isnt it when it comes to PG for our future. How anyone can know that is silly, and he's shown more than flashes he can do all the things people harp on.

I'm banking on Frank being our future PG, I think most of us here are. However, that doesn't mean that his play right now is passable. Its pretty bad. Yes--he's a pretty good defender. He can stay with his man and uses his length to disrupt his opponents dribble and the passing lane, but his offense is nonexistent. He has tremendous vision, but his handle is poor, he can't penetrate, he can't shoot, and he can't create his own shot( although that aspect is getting better with each game). Do you disagree?

No I agree completely. You are spot on. However you made what would be my arguement at the end... every game we see quantifiable upticks in almost every one of these aspects. His drives have increased. He still has some TOs but he's taking better care of the ball when being pressured. His jumper passes the eye test, so does his midrange game, they obviously need to drop more but dont you envision that? We can see he can really elevate and shoot over guys as well as pass around them which is huge considering his size.

You are spot on but Frank continues to show he's worth taking the lumps for. 30ish games in and my god look how much better he's gotten! Remember, no summer league, minimal training camp and preseason because of injuries... dude is just hitting his stride and showing so much promise in ALL those areas. He's raw at 19, NOT unskilled. He's shown every one of those things you listed, but yes... he's behind on all of them.

The dude stayed in front of Kyrie Irving and challenged every one of his shots. Kyrie. I mean how many of those type of performances before people get excited about his potential to be a superstar on that side of the ball? Guy might be the Ben Wallace of PGs. Maybe he only gives you 10ppg on 43$ shooting to go with 10 assists, 2 steals and the best defender of opposing PGs in the NBA. Who knows. I dont. I see good things and I think Frank has upside like we havent seen. Who plays defense like he does? Right now? Honest question not many answer. #s back it up. At and 19... This is going to be worth being patient on. We are doing it right.

wargames wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

Have heard this all before. Worried when someone pulls out obscure stats to hide when someone is just not very impressive. Lets wait and hope. But so far the kid is just a good role defensive player. Not our answer at PG.

GTFOH! Sure we had high hopes for Grant but you can’t honestly put their chances or expectations on the same level. Nitty has already shown he has a positive impact on the game at 19!!! Grant is a good kid but he was 23 as a rookie! I mean come on. They clearly hoped Grant could be a solid PG kind of similar in style to Frank. Frank is a higher level prospect tho.

The stats for Frank aren’t obscure! There’s more to the game than just scoring stats. Especially for a PG who has to help make the team better. So the stats show Nitty helps the team play better despite his lack of scoring.

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Yeah I agree with nixluva even in the highlight you posted of Grant its clear they are different players. Grant was shooting sloppy shots, and passing almost hail Mary type pass in the paint cause he got trapped by the defense. Whereas Frank is running the offense, defending on a high level, shooting the 3, and just way more in control and he is 4 years younger.

Bro. How bout you GTFOH. Just because you say it doesn't mean it will come true. Specially judging by all the things you have said before that were just fanatical stroke job rantings without merit, Typical Jet fan. While I have only been right about Timmy, Noah, Phil, Grant, Rose, Tyson, Triangle, Smith and Shump being able to contribute to a chip and calling out every ****ty player the FO tried to sell us on as good signings.

Think this is a very good comparison, regardless of age. I said it over and over that Grant just did not have anything special. While some were pushing the "give him time" stuff. It was easy to see his game would never be starter level. Right now, the kid has nothing special. Save me with the 19 and can play some defense ****. The kid just doesnt have anything a solid 2nd rounder doesn't have. Which btw, is not bad as you have to be a damn good player just to stay in the NBA. So far, he is just looking like a decent ROLE player and not an 8 pick. What proof do you have that he will not be just a good defensive ROLE player and come off the bench like Grant? And spare me the bizarre 2 man stats.

HofstraBBall wrote:

wargames wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

Have heard this all before. Worried when someone pulls out obscure stats to hide when someone is just not very impressive. Lets wait and hope. But so far the kid is just a good role defensive player. Not our answer at PG.

GTFOH! Sure we had high hopes for Grant but you can’t honestly put their chances or expectations on the same level. Nitty has already shown he has a positive impact on the game at 19!!! Grant is a good kid but he was 23 as a rookie! I mean come on. They clearly hoped Grant could be a solid PG kind of similar in style to Frank. Frank is a higher level prospect tho.

The stats for Frank aren’t obscure! There’s more to the game than just scoring stats. Especially for a PG who has to help make the team better. So the stats show Nitty helps the team play better despite his lack of scoring.

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https://twitter.com/sbondynydn/status/949778548272910337

Yeah I agree with nixluva even in the highlight you posted of Grant its clear they are different players. Grant was shooting sloppy shots, and passing almost hail Mary type pass in the paint cause he got trapped by the defense. Whereas Frank is running the offense, defending on a high level, shooting the 3, and just way more in control and he is 4 years younger.

Bro. How bout you GTFOH. Just because you say it doesn't mean it will come true. Specially judging by all the things you have said before that were just fanatical stroke job rantings without merit, Typical Jet fan.

Think this is a very good comparison, regardless of age. I said it over and over that Grant just did not have anything special. While some were pushing the "give him time" stuff. It was easy to see his game would never be starter level. Right now, the kid has nothing special. Save me with the 19 and can play some defense ****. The kid just doesnt have anything a solid 2nd rounder doesn't have. Which btw, is not bad as you have to be a damn good player just to stay in the NBA. So far, he is just looking like a decent ROLE player and not an 8 pick. What proof do you have that he will not be just a good defensive ROLE player and come off the bench like Grant? And spare me the bizarre 2 man stats.

You seem to think that being able to guard 1-3 and running the team isn’t “special”! Sure we’d all love it if Frank’s Offense was further along or he had great hops. Thing is Frank is WAY closer to being a WINNING player than you give him credit for.

What you fail to acknowledge is whether Frank helps the TEAM play better when he’s on the floor. HE DOES!!! He’s only going to get better from here. Your assessment is superficial and lacks any insight into what kind of player Frank is. They didn’t draft him expecting a flashy scorer. You seem stuck on that.

fishmike wrote:

Bizzy211 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.

He’s actually getting better and better at pushing the ball and setting up his teammates for great looks.

Of course on top of his running the team is his Defense which when combined has him providing a net positive impact for the team. Frank is IMO being looked at negatively due mostly to others being ineffective. Yes he’s got to shoot better and attack the rim better but he’s playing within his abilities effectively.

At the end of the day, Frank's play must get better. Dude is playing 20+ mins and taking less than 4 freethrows a game. Secondly, lets not pretend like he's breaking the Defense down and dishing to wide open players who are just missing uncontested shots. Thats simply not true.

The Knicks ranking 30th in 3 point attempts is a testament to that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/triangle-knicks-offense-remains-bafflingly-inefficient-article-1.3726530

Frank is being looked at negatively because of what we are seeing on the court. This doesnt mean we want him gone, but once again his play must improve.

Being drafted 8th does come with certain responsibilities/expectations... neither are bad things.

To conclude:

Is Frank a starting PG right now? If the answer is no, why not?

He's 19 isnt an answer... we have to compare and contrast skillsets/talent.

I find it funny his defense is so undervalued in a league where guards run amok.
Look at opposing PGs vs. Frank. HE SHUTS GUYS DOWN. If you want context as BAD (and he's been bad) as Frank has been scoring the ball he's holding opponents to a worst EFG% than he's got. Meanwhile a guy like Dennis Smith who cant guard anyone is a chucking TO machine, but we will see. Tonight should be fun.

Well see. I do find it very funny some here are quite convinced Frank isnt it when it comes to PG for our future. How anyone can know that is silly, and he's shown more than flashes he can do all the things people harp on.

I don't get the complaints about Frank. Coming into the draft Frank was said to be an elite defender who needed to develop his offense. Frank has been exactly as advertised. He has shown elite defense and he has slowly but surely improved on the offensive end. At only 19 yo and only 40 games into his NBA career what more do you want?

That being said he gets a lot of assists and the ball lives better when he is in the court.

I am happy with his progress.

He was on the court in the 4th. Smith? - not so much.

Just a smart talented basketball player man

nixluva wrote:

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