BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
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Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
[/b]
Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

Exactly

I'm saying this base on the mass confusion on both the offense and the defense last season. we sucked defensively even when melo wasn't on the floor.

Kp is chucking up the same exact shots melo was taking last yr. How many assist is KP averaging, he is playing on offense like melo. That comes from not having a good pg and teammates looking for you to score every time down court, they start forcing things and like melo, you feel the pressure to carry the scoring load.

I never thought of melo as a franchise player and neither is kp, he's just a piece

When you're talking about Melo and KP, you are just talking about their offense. That is fine with Melo, but the fact is KP has become an elite defensive player. The best rim protector in the league statistically. So even if he's meant to be a #2 guy on offense, and continues to trend towards DPOY candidate in the future, he's still a franchise player. It just means you need another major scorer like a DeRozan or Olapido to share that load. Not a franchise player, just an elite scorer. KP is a clearcut franchise player with all things considered.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
[/b]
Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

Exactly

I'm saying this base on the mass confusion on both the offense and the defense last season. we sucked defensively even when melo wasn't on the floor.

Kp is chucking up the same exact shots melo was taking last yr. How many assist is KP averaging, he is playing on offense like melo. That comes from not having a good pg and teammates looking for you to score every time down court, they start forcing things and like melo, you feel the pressure to carry the scoring load.

I never thought of melo as a franchise player and neither is kp, he's just a piece

When you're talking about Melo and KP, you are just talking about their offense. That is fine with Melo, but the fact is KP has become an elite defensive player. The best rim protector in the league statistically. So even if he's meant to be a #2 guy on offense, and continues to trend towards DPOY candidate in the future, he's still a franchise player. It just means you need another major scorer like a DeRozan or Olapido to share that load. Not a franchise player, just an elite scorer. KP is a clearcut franchise player with all things considered.

I guess it's safe to say you disagree with the 2 professional euro scouts, and aside from dirk, what other euro players became franchise players.

Gudris wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
[/b]
Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

Exactly

I'm saying this base on the mass confusion on both the offense and the defense last season. we sucked defensively even when melo wasn't on the floor.

Kp is chucking up the same exact shots melo was taking last yr. How many assist is KP averaging, he is playing on offense like melo. That comes from not having a good pg and teammates looking for you to score every time down court, they start forcing things and like melo, you feel the pressure to carry the scoring load.

I never thought of melo as a franchise player and neither is kp, he's just a piece

When you're talking about Melo and KP, you are just talking about their offense. That is fine with Melo, but the fact is KP has become an elite defensive player. The best rim protector in the league statistically. So even if he's meant to be a #2 guy on offense, and continues to trend towards DPOY candidate in the future, he's still a franchise player. It just means you need another major scorer like a DeRozan or Olapido to share that load. Not a franchise player, just an elite scorer. KP is a clearcut franchise player with all things considered.

I guess it's safe to say you disagree with the 2 professional euro scouts, and aside from dirk, what other euro players became franchise players.

Larry Bird?
West?

I didn't say white players, I said EURO, in other words international players...lol

knicks1248 wrote:

Gudris wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
[/b]
Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

Exactly

I'm saying this base on the mass confusion on both the offense and the defense last season. we sucked defensively even when melo wasn't on the floor.

Kp is chucking up the same exact shots melo was taking last yr. How many assist is KP averaging, he is playing on offense like melo. That comes from not having a good pg and teammates looking for you to score every time down court, they start forcing things and like melo, you feel the pressure to carry the scoring load.

I never thought of melo as a franchise player and neither is kp, he's just a piece

When you're talking about Melo and KP, you are just talking about their offense. That is fine with Melo, but the fact is KP has become an elite defensive player. The best rim protector in the league statistically. So even if he's meant to be a #2 guy on offense, and continues to trend towards DPOY candidate in the future, he's still a franchise player. It just means you need another major scorer like a DeRozan or Olapido to share that load. Not a franchise player, just an elite scorer. KP is a clearcut franchise player with all things considered.

I guess it's safe to say you disagree with the 2 professional euro scouts, and aside from dirk, what other euro players became franchise players.

Larry Bird?
West?

I didn't say white players, I said EURO, in other words international players...lol

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/global-nbarank-top-50-international-players-nba/story%3fid=44385161

http://nba.com/nba/gallery/nba-best-international-foreign-players-all-time-03mp/s/www.foxsports2917%3famp=true

arkrud wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is frank then? Euro or African?

African European...

Passive aggressive then?

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
[/b]
Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

SEE ALSO
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Kristaps Porzingis admits this is getting too much for him
Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

So Melo's not dogging in on defense and is now leading the break in OKC? Melo's doing the same **** there he was doing here; he's standing outside the three or posting up and hitting turnarounds.

Porzingis is shooting an ugly 39.9 percent over his last 15 games. He looks befuddled and overmatched. On Wednesday, after another Knicks loss dropped them two games below .500, he confessed to feeling exhausted.

"I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm so tired right now," he told reporters. "I have one day now to rest my legs and then get back and play better and have more energy and also try and bring the team's energy up."

Not exactly encouraging words to hear with four months left in the season.

All of this begs the following questions: What's the reason for this regression, and is there a way for Porzingis to defeat it and rediscover his dominance?

Opponents have adjusted the way they defend the Knicks' star. They recognized his limitations and spotted opportunities to coax him into low-percentage shots.

"Teams are smart; if a guy's killing the league they start paying more attention to him," says an Eastern Conference scout.

the spurs were doing this very well

Porzingis doesn't read the floor well. Only three players with at least 500 minutes played this year have a lower assist rate relative to how much offense they create, according to Cleaning the Glass. He shoots the ball nearly every time he touches it and leads the league in shots per 36 minutes. He's most comfortable operating from a stationary position in the mid-range and takes more long two-pointers than 95 percent of the league, per Cleaning the Glass

Not only are these his greatest weaknesses. They're also flaws that make him predictable and easy to defend.

How do you slow a scorer with sticky hands? Send extra bodies at him.

"Teams know he's going to shoot because he's a poor passer," the scout says. This additional defender won't dart over until Porzingis initiates a move. Often playing with his head down, the 22-year-old is frequently caught off guard.

Ball movement would be a smart antidote to some of these issues, but it wouldn't solve them all. It goes back to the way Porzingis gets his points, even when he's rolling. He rarely attacks the rim and prefers to work from the mid-range.

Opponents, most of whom these days live behind the three-point line or at the rim, will accept him jacking contested 18-footers over defenders, even if he does tower over most of them.

"He takes a lot of bad shots," said the scout. "Teams know he'll force it."

Case in point: only 26 players have taken more shots out of isolation this season. Yet Porzingis has only scored on such looks 36 percent of the time, placing him in the 24th percentile, according to NBA.com.

[b]Porzingis' poor decision-making isn't the only cause for this horrid stretch. He's one of just two shot-creators on his team. The other, Tim Hardaway Jr., has missed the past month due to a mysterious leg injury. Hardaway's presence on the floor would no doubt release some of the pressure squeezing Porzingis.

He's also not getting all the help he could from Hornacek. Porzingis spends the majority of his floor time playing alongside multiple non-shooters. He rarely plays center (only 12 percent of his minutes have been as the lone big man) and is usually flanked by starting point guard Jarrett Jack, who's shot just 27.9 percent from deep. These lineups feature no spacing, making it both more difficult for Porzingis to read the floor and providing him less room to operate in when he does drive.

Getting the ball to Porzingis in the flow of the offense, and especially behind the three-point line, could also boost his cold shooting. He's drilled a solid 38.7 percent of his catch-and-shoot triples this season. More jumpers out of pick-and-pops would be a nice way to get Porzingis some cleaner looks without expending energy working for position.

It's so easy to double him when he has zero shooters around him, the spacing is a laughable, we have point guards that don't shoot 3's, and don't penetrate, they shoot mid range jumpers just like him.

and were holding on to willy like he can help

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MIAMI — [b]Kristaps Porzingis has struggled recently living up to the designation as Knicks franchise player, admitting fatigue through 38 games.

Two European-based scouts aren’t surprised, suggesting the natural makeup of an international player isn’t best suited for that role. They see Porzingis as an All-Star — just not necessarily a superstar.
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Tim Shea, a former European scout with the Knicks and the Bobcats/Hornets who has lived for years in Barcelona, Spain, said it’s uncommon for a European to embrace mentally that status as an NBA franchise guy in the same way as an American-born AAU player. Only Dirk Nowitzki — and it took him many years — fully accepted that franchise-player responsibility.

“It’s because Europeans have learned the game as a ‘team game’ above all,’’ Shea told The Post. “[Porzingis] is at the very best an All-Star like Pau Gasol that can assist and become a great complementary player to some NBA big gun. He can only be cast as a piece of a rebuild that is a long way from anywhere.”

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Shea said the “KP’’ moniker should now stand for “Keep Plowing’’ as he battles enormous expectations. Porzingis kicked up a fuss when he mentioned Thursday after a loss in Washington he was “so tired.” He is looking for a second wind to the season and is anxiously awaiting Tim Hardaway Jr.’s expected January return.
Never having a European-born coach — or one with international coaching experience — doesn’t help matters, according to Shea. The former Knicks scout who was opposed to the drafting of Frederic Weis feels an American coach may sometimes not relate fully to an international player’s mindset.

The Knicks felt they needed to trade Carmelo Anthony to thrust Porzingis into the face-of-the-franchise position, but he’s only 22 years old and in his third season. After an MVP-like start, Porzingis’ shooting percentage has dipped to 43.9 percent. In the last 19 games he has shot 39.9 percent.

With All-Star voting beginning on Christmas, his downturn could hurt his chances of being named a starter. He is currently fourth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in the fan voting, behind Giannis Antetokounmpo, LeBron James and Joel Embiid.

“If the Garden continues to think and sell that Porzingis is a franchise player, they might as well let Willy Hernangomez play the point,’’ one NBA scout with European connections said. “It is not going to happen. KP has only played on a losing team as a pro in Spain and a losing team in New York. They have a lot of good, young Europeans — KP, Frank (Ntilikina), (Enes) Kanter, Willy. We can now start to care about the team, but please don’t believe KP will lead you to the end of the yellow brick road by himself. It’s idiotic to put him in that position.’’

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Porzingis’ offensive rating was 109.2 in his first 19 games, but it is 102.2 since Dec. 6.Charles Wenzelberg
Porzingis, who is averaging 23.7 points, scored just 2 points in the second half in Washington and was inactive defensively. The burden of leading the Knicks every game has taken its toll. The Knicks are 1-6 in their last seven games, falling two games below .500 at 18-20 for the first time since they started 1-3.

Despite his dire words, Porzingis hoped the good weather in Miami would resuscitate him. Though Florida also had a chill — much like Porzingis’ mid-range jumper — with temperatures in the 50’s.

“Little bumps and bruises and things like that that you play through affects you a little bit,” Porzingis said. “Once I’m playing I want to delete that completely out of my head and not think about it. As you go forward, more and more stuff add up, but it’s normal. It’s nothing to keep complaining about. We just have to keep pushing forward, get as much rest as I can and try to be as fresh as I can for every game.”r every game.”

Some truly believe Melo was holding KP back, no... the triangle and phil was holding everybody back. Now we're back to having one star, no real pg that's suited for this system, and a 2nd scorer whose injured. Starting out just like the melo ERA, Amare hurt, and missing the correct vet pg (except kidd's one season) for melo

How'd you extrapolate all that from the bold? Melo was holding back KP by jacking up contested mid-range J's. Was the case even before Phil demanded more triangle useage at the end of the year. Rose held KP back too. No need to bring this up. Melo learned his lesson in OKC and is playing within himself. Remember, the triangle didn't force Melo to gun or dog it consistently on defense.

So who's holding back poor KP now? Melo was holding back KP by doing what Melo did his whole career? Score the ball? Rose held back KP by not doing what? Watching him clunk 3's on kickouts?

So Melo's not dogging in on defense and is now leading the break in OKC? Melo's doing the same **** there he was doing here; he's standing outside the three or posting up and hitting turnarounds.

So you come out of your hole, declare Melo's still the golden mooby and go back in if you dont see your shadow? Like that?

Wass wrong fishy, your little Latvian boyfriend isn't living up to your wet dreams? And you still don't respond to questions. Is that how this works? Watch any Mooby highlights lately?