BRIGGS wrote:Someone gets hurt and well beg to have him. For now just sit on it.

I imagine Noah will be first one tapped if Kanter gets hurt. I'd prefer WHG, but Noah is the better player at the moment.

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I hate this idea and think it would be stupid to stretch him and pay him $7+ mil per for the next 5 years.

https://t.co/QLAOKSrUhW

Joakim Noah hasn’t played since his 20-game PED suspension expired Saturday, and Marc Berman of the New York Post writes that the Knicks will probably waive the veteran center at some point and use the stretch provision on the final two years of his contract.

“We want him to be involved,’’ coach Jeff Hornacek said Wednesday after sitting Noah for the second straight game. “[He wants] to be involved. We don’t know when the time will come when he’s active.”

Hornacek’s dilemma is that he now has four centers competing for playing time. Enes Kanter, acquired in the Carmelo Anthony trade, has taken over the starting spot, with Kyle O’Quinn playing well as the backup. Willy Hernangomez is already upset about his reduced minutes after being part of the rotation last season.

Hornacek said it’s “possible” that he may find a way to use all four centers, but added, “I’m not looking to do that right away.’’

Any move with Noah probably won’t happen soon, Berman notes, as there is no advantage in terms of cap space in using the stretch provision now. The Knicks have a September 1 deadline if they want to take the $37.8MM Noah is owed for the final two seasons of his deal and stretch it over five years.
Noah would receive a little more than $7.5MM per season, giving New York roughly $11MM in extra cap room for next year and $12MM for 2019/20. The Knicks could opt to seek a buyout or waive him without stretching the contract, which would provide little to no cap relief over the next two seasons, but would remove his salary from the books by July of 2020.
Although Noah has minimal trade value, Berman mentions Timberwolves coach/executive Tom Thibodeau as someone who might be interested. Thibodeau coached Noah for several years in Chicago, including when he was a first team All-NBA selection in 2013/14.

For now, Noah is reduced to a mentor’s role in New York, working mainly with Kanter and Hernangomez. Hornacek said the NBA’s requirement that teams have an inactive list for each game makes it difficult to find playing time for Noah.
“It’s a tough spot,” the coach said. “He’s a great team guy. He sees how we’re playing. He’s still part of the team if inactive or not. He doesn’t want to rock the boat but he is competitive and wants to be out there to help us.”

At least Phil gave us KP!

Stretch the poor bastard and put him out of his miseries. Although Fishmike may have a point. He still has value. As he is the perfect Triangle guy.

He has plenty of value. I'm one of the very few if any who think Noah can absolutely bring 20-25 productive minutes to this team. I'm just wondering where those minutes will come from as long as Kanter and KOQ are playing well. KOQ has gotten a little worse the last couple of games especially the Utah game but i think he'll still be fine. People are sleeping on what a healthy J.Noah can still bring this team not only on the court but on the bench and in the locker room.

I’m kind of in this camp. I can easily envision Noah being a fourth quarter guy like frank to escalate the D

Having said that I totally understand the dilemma given their numerous bigs and Noah’s age

Would be nice to trade him even for some overpaid wing (eg would it work w Turner)

Don't get me wrong cause if there was a trade we could make to get rid of that Noah contract i'd be all for it but i was more talking about the people that say Noah is done or he's trash which just isn't true. I'm really hoping we find a way to give him some legit minutes so he can prove he's not done which he will but it's gotta be enough minutes for the guy to get himself going and not 3 minutes here and 4 minutes there. I think it's disrespectful the way people talk about a guy like Noah that gives his absolute all when he's on the floor just because they're mad at him for Phil giving him a big azz contract.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I hate this idea and think it would be stupid to stretch him and pay him $7+ mil per for the next 5 years.

https://t.co/QLAOKSrUhW

Joakim Noah hasn’t played since his 20-game PED suspension expired Saturday, and Marc Berman of the New York Post writes that the Knicks will probably waive the veteran center at some point and use the stretch provision on the final two years of his contract.

“We want him to be involved,’’ coach Jeff Hornacek said Wednesday after sitting Noah for the second straight game. “[He wants] to be involved. We don’t know when the time will come when he’s active.”

Hornacek’s dilemma is that he now has four centers competing for playing time. Enes Kanter, acquired in the Carmelo Anthony trade, has taken over the starting spot, with Kyle O’Quinn playing well as the backup. Willy Hernangomez is already upset about his reduced minutes after being part of the rotation last season.

Hornacek said it’s “possible” that he may find a way to use all four centers, but added, “I’m not looking to do that right away.’’

Any move with Noah probably won’t happen soon, Berman notes, as there is no advantage in terms of cap space in using the stretch provision now. The Knicks have a September 1 deadline if they want to take the $37.8MM Noah is owed for the final two seasons of his deal and stretch it over five years.
Noah would receive a little more than $7.5MM per season, giving New York roughly $11MM in extra cap room for next year and $12MM for 2019/20. The Knicks could opt to seek a buyout or waive him without stretching the contract, which would provide little to no cap relief over the next two seasons, but would remove his salary from the books by July of 2020.
Although Noah has minimal trade value, Berman mentions Timberwolves coach/executive Tom Thibodeau as someone who might be interested. Thibodeau coached Noah for several years in Chicago, including when he was a first team All-NBA selection in 2013/14.

For now, Noah is reduced to a mentor’s role in New York, working mainly with Kanter and Hernangomez. Hornacek said the NBA’s requirement that teams have an inactive list for each game makes it difficult to find playing time for Noah.
“It’s a tough spot,” the coach said. “He’s a great team guy. He sees how we’re playing. He’s still part of the team if inactive or not. He doesn’t want to rock the boat but he is competitive and wants to be out there to help us.”

At least Phil gave us KP!

Stretch the poor bastard and put him out of his miseries. Although Fishmike may have a point. He still has value. As he is the perfect Triangle guy.

He has plenty of value. I'm one of the very few if any who think Noah can absolutely bring 20-25 productive minutes to this team. I'm just wondering where those minutes will come from as long as Kanter and KOQ are playing well. KOQ has gotten a little worse the last couple of games especially the Utah game but i think he'll still be fine. People are sleeping on what a healthy J.Noah can still bring this team not only on the court but on the bench and in the locker room.

I’m kind of in this camp. I can easily envision Noah being a fourth quarter guy like frank to escalate the D

Having said that I totally understand the dilemma given their numerous bigs and Noah’s age

Would be nice to trade him even for some overpaid wing (eg would it work w Turner)

Don't get me wrong cause if there was a trade we could make to get rid of that Noah contract i'd be all for it but i was more talking about the people that say Noah is done or he's trash which just isn't true. I'm really hoping we find a way to give him some legit minutes so he can prove he's not done which he will but it's gotta be enough minutes for the guy to get himself going and not 3 minutes here and 4 minutes there. I think it's disrespectful the way people talk about a guy like Noah that gives his absolute all when he's on the floor just because they're mad at him for Phil giving him a big azz contract.

I conpletely agree with you guys.......you guys are one of the very few, if any, that feel he can bring anything to a team. Unfortunately, so does the rest of the NBA. So we are stuck with him. He will be stretched next summer.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I hate this idea and think it would be stupid to stretch him and pay him $7+ mil per for the next 5 years.

https://t.co/QLAOKSrUhW

Joakim Noah hasn’t played since his 20-game PED suspension expired Saturday, and Marc Berman of the New York Post writes that the Knicks will probably waive the veteran center at some point and use the stretch provision on the final two years of his contract.

“We want him to be involved,’’ coach Jeff Hornacek said Wednesday after sitting Noah for the second straight game. “[He wants] to be involved. We don’t know when the time will come when he’s active.”

Hornacek’s dilemma is that he now has four centers competing for playing time. Enes Kanter, acquired in the Carmelo Anthony trade, has taken over the starting spot, with Kyle O’Quinn playing well as the backup. Willy Hernangomez is already upset about his reduced minutes after being part of the rotation last season.

Hornacek said it’s “possible” that he may find a way to use all four centers, but added, “I’m not looking to do that right away.’’

Any move with Noah probably won’t happen soon, Berman notes, as there is no advantage in terms of cap space in using the stretch provision now. The Knicks have a September 1 deadline if they want to take the $37.8MM Noah is owed for the final two seasons of his deal and stretch it over five years.
Noah would receive a little more than $7.5MM per season, giving New York roughly $11MM in extra cap room for next year and $12MM for 2019/20. The Knicks could opt to seek a buyout or waive him without stretching the contract, which would provide little to no cap relief over the next two seasons, but would remove his salary from the books by July of 2020.
Although Noah has minimal trade value, Berman mentions Timberwolves coach/executive Tom Thibodeau as someone who might be interested. Thibodeau coached Noah for several years in Chicago, including when he was a first team All-NBA selection in 2013/14.

For now, Noah is reduced to a mentor’s role in New York, working mainly with Kanter and Hernangomez. Hornacek said the NBA’s requirement that teams have an inactive list for each game makes it difficult to find playing time for Noah.
“It’s a tough spot,” the coach said. “He’s a great team guy. He sees how we’re playing. He’s still part of the team if inactive or not. He doesn’t want to rock the boat but he is competitive and wants to be out there to help us.”

At least Phil gave us KP!

Stretch the poor bastard and put him out of his miseries. Although Fishmike may have a point. He still has value. As he is the perfect Triangle guy.

He has plenty of value. I'm one of the very few if any who think Noah can absolutely bring 20-25 productive minutes to this team. I'm just wondering where those minutes will come from as long as Kanter and KOQ are playing well. KOQ has gotten a little worse the last couple of games especially the Utah game but i think he'll still be fine. People are sleeping on what a healthy J.Noah can still bring this team not only on the court but on the bench and in the locker room.

I’m kind of in this camp. I can easily envision Noah being a fourth quarter guy like frank to escalate the D

Having said that I totally understand the dilemma given their numerous bigs and Noah’s age

Would be nice to trade him even for some overpaid wing (eg would it work w Turner)

Don't get me wrong cause if there was a trade we could make to get rid of that Noah contract i'd be all for it but i was more talking about the people that say Noah is done or he's trash which just isn't true. I'm really hoping we find a way to give him some legit minutes so he can prove he's not done which he will but it's gotta be enough minutes for the guy to get himself going and not 3 minutes here and 4 minutes there. I think it's disrespectful the way people talk about a guy like Noah that gives his absolute all when he's on the floor just because they're mad at him for Phil giving him a big azz contract.

That;s what I understood you to mean. And honestly he can only be better than last year. There were times I thought he couldn't raise his arms above his head. Then there was his chronic hamstring issue.

I can easily imagine him being a defensive specialist in the fourth quarter. He's a good QB out there. We could have used him in the Cavs game (if he was ready) where we lost the game due to a lack of defensive rebounding in the 4th -- too many second chance points generated from offensive rebounds by Wade and Lebron (who were honestly the only rebounding threats -- Korver and frye were on the court; I mean c'mon isn't it simply box out those two dudes completely

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I hate this idea and think it would be stupid to stretch him and pay him $7+ mil per for the next 5 years.

https://t.co/QLAOKSrUhW

Joakim Noah hasn’t played since his 20-game PED suspension expired Saturday, and Marc Berman of the New York Post writes that the Knicks will probably waive the veteran center at some point and use the stretch provision on the final two years of his contract.

“We want him to be involved,’’ coach Jeff Hornacek said Wednesday after sitting Noah for the second straight game. “[He wants] to be involved. We don’t know when the time will come when he’s active.”

Hornacek’s dilemma is that he now has four centers competing for playing time. Enes Kanter, acquired in the Carmelo Anthony trade, has taken over the starting spot, with Kyle O’Quinn playing well as the backup. Willy Hernangomez is already upset about his reduced minutes after being part of the rotation last season.

Hornacek said it’s “possible” that he may find a way to use all four centers, but added, “I’m not looking to do that right away.’’

Any move with Noah probably won’t happen soon, Berman notes, as there is no advantage in terms of cap space in using the stretch provision now. The Knicks have a September 1 deadline if they want to take the $37.8MM Noah is owed for the final two seasons of his deal and stretch it over five years.
Noah would receive a little more than $7.5MM per season, giving New York roughly $11MM in extra cap room for next year and $12MM for 2019/20. The Knicks could opt to seek a buyout or waive him without stretching the contract, which would provide little to no cap relief over the next two seasons, but would remove his salary from the books by July of 2020.
Although Noah has minimal trade value, Berman mentions Timberwolves coach/executive Tom Thibodeau as someone who might be interested. Thibodeau coached Noah for several years in Chicago, including when he was a first team All-NBA selection in 2013/14.

For now, Noah is reduced to a mentor’s role in New York, working mainly with Kanter and Hernangomez. Hornacek said the NBA’s requirement that teams have an inactive list for each game makes it difficult to find playing time for Noah.
“It’s a tough spot,” the coach said. “He’s a great team guy. He sees how we’re playing. He’s still part of the team if inactive or not. He doesn’t want to rock the boat but he is competitive and wants to be out there to help us.”

At least Phil gave us KP!

Stretch the poor bastard and put him out of his miseries. Although Fishmike may have a point. He still has value. As he is the perfect Triangle guy.

He has plenty of value. I'm one of the very few if any who think Noah can absolutely bring 20-25 productive minutes to this team. I'm just wondering where those minutes will come from as long as Kanter and KOQ are playing well. KOQ has gotten a little worse the last couple of games especially the Utah game but i think he'll still be fine. People are sleeping on what a healthy J.Noah can still bring this team not only on the court but on the bench and in the locker room.

I’m kind of in this camp. I can easily envision Noah being a fourth quarter guy like frank to escalate the D

Having said that I totally understand the dilemma given their numerous bigs and Noah’s age

Would be nice to trade him even for some overpaid wing (eg would it work w Turner)

Don't get me wrong cause if there was a trade we could make to get rid of that Noah contract i'd be all for it but i was more talking about the people that say Noah is done or he's trash which just isn't true. I'm really hoping we find a way to give him some legit minutes so he can prove he's not done which he will but it's gotta be enough minutes for the guy to get himself going and not 3 minutes here and 4 minutes there. I think it's disrespectful the way people talk about a guy like Noah that gives his absolute all when he's on the floor just because they're mad at him for Phil giving him a big azz contract.

I conpletely agree with you guys.......you guys are one of the very few, if any, that feel he can bring anything to a team. Unfortunately, so does the rest of the NBA. So we are stuck with him. He will be stretched next summer.

just not true. There is some ground between being paid $18mm a year and not being able to play for an NBA team. We will see but as banged up as Noah was last year he could certainly give us the quality play that KOQ does in his backup role.

What does stretching him next year accomplish?

I am uncertain whether he'll be stretched, but isn't the argument that if he's dead wood (riding pine), wouldn't it be better to stretch and have another 11 million to pay for someone who could contribute?

yellowboy90 wrote:On another board a poster linked an article about the Lakers are thinking about extending Deng contract then using the stretch provision. It would be a cool little loop hole to sneak through if a team can pull that off.

Feel bad for Noah because I think the guy always give you a good effort and does not feel good about what he's given the Knicks so far.

Will also add, that even though Baker was mentioned as part of our "young core," he still sees him as a holdover from the other regime with little present value.

They have to see what he has left in practice...no? Do any of us really know what he is looking like in practice?

If this info is coming from his agent, that also makes sense, because Noah wants to play, and if he is stretched he gets to go to another team.

My guess, if Noah IS stretch...assuming he still has game, is that the Cavs take a look at him. Just a hunch.

Welpee wrote:Yeah, I'm not on board with stretching Noah, not yet. I don't trust KOQ and Noah (when right) is the best defending big we have. I think there can be a limited role for him on this team IF (big if) he's willing to accept a Lance Thomas type role, i.e. situational minutes, be ready when called upon, provide veteran leadership. He literally stole money from us last season. I would hope he's willing to make up for it a bit.

This player is making 72 mil. Got suspended and now is back. Let him wait...

In the 90's NBA this would not be a problem because KP, Willy, and Quinn would be F/C role-players getting the majority of playing-time minute having Kanter n Noah dividing their minute at just the center position. Plus this would be a relief when we play 3 games in 5 days we could give less minute to our starter big-men .. especially if our game rotation always had 2 of our big-men in a lineup. Having 4 big-men in the rotation each game would force opponent to take the majority of their shots from the perimeter, plus the fans luv for 3 ball shooting has corrupt B.ball players in the NBA and college because the best B.ball players can not shoot 3's