knicks1248 wrote:maybe some of you forgot, but we had no drama going into the 54 win season, none whatsoever

Jeremy Lin contract drama? Plus Dantoni was fired. Wasn't all rosey. Kidd and all the old guys made us seem like idiots to the media until the team started winning.

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:maybe some of you forgot, but we had no drama going into the 54 win season, none whatsoever

Jeremy Lin contract drama? Plus Dantoni was fired. Wasn't all rosey. Kidd and all the old guys made us seem like idiots to the media until the team started winning.

the j lin drama was nipped in the bud before training camp, the only drama was they were laughing at us because we were a bit old..

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:maybe some of you forgot, but we had no drama going into the 54 win season, none whatsoever

Jeremy Lin contract drama? Plus Dantoni was fired. Wasn't all rosey. Kidd and all the old guys made us seem like idiots to the media until the team started winning.

the j lin drama was nipped in the bud before training camp, the only drama was they were laughing at us because we were a bit old..

So there was drama going into the season then right?

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:maybe some of you forgot, but we had no drama going into the 54 win season, none whatsoever

Jeremy Lin contract drama? Plus Dantoni was fired. Wasn't all rosey. Kidd and all the old guys made us seem like idiots to the media until the team started winning.

the j lin drama was nipped in the bud before training camp, the only drama was they were laughing at us because we were a bit old..

So there was drama going into the season then right?

For those who know HOF PG Jason Kidd career .. know the Knicks got lucky ..
When HOF PG Jason Kidd (strong Leadership) signed a 2 yr contract in mid July .. automatic winning-season, plus winning postseason series having Kidd's leadership lead Melo/Amare/Lin .. it didn't matter if Dolan subtracted Lin and Amare in August/Sept from the 2012-13 season .. HOF Jason Kidd was still going to have a 50 win season and playoffs series win .. Because Jason Kidd has a long career of always bringing-out the Best performance in all his teammates.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The lack of drama is a breath of fresh air! The one thing we needed was to be able to focus on basketball and not drama. This is what things are supposed to be like. The TEAM is the story.

I like the talent and mental makeup of the team. The one oddball is Beasley but I guess every team needs at least one LOL. I've been pretty pleased and hopefully this team will perform above expectations as the youth take a step up!

agreed. Look i try to be rational i know we probably arent making the playoffs and thats ok. This year is about developing the young core and then continuing to add pieces via draft/trade/free agency. The circus seems to be over so now we can focus solely on basketball

The drama is over because the drama queen has been dumped on the OKC thunder. They can watch the three ring circus while we focus on basketball for s change.

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:No hate at all... and no negative press..
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/the-knicks-hate-is-all-over-the-city/

I find this douchey and trollish considering the offseason and direction of the team.

it's almost as if Skip Bayless wrote the copy himself

I really think this team got better. Maybe A LOT better...Look at exactly what we lost and who we replaced him with. Don't wanna diminish Melo in any way but take a good look at exactly what we lost and what we replaced him with: Melo, at this point, is a declining scorer that never really played any D, stalled the offensive holding the ball too much and never really made anyone else better. That's a fact and I'm still a fan of his, never a hater. But look at all the scoring we replaced him with -- THJ's a better player now than when we first had him; McBuckets is a GOOD offensive player (hopefully he can play enough D); Beasley's talented, can really score and isn't short on confidence; Enes Kanter is a VERY GOOD offensive big man (excellent rebounder too -- this dude's EASILY a 20/10 big with enough PT and touches. I've liked him a lot for a long time now). Point here is I think we have even more scoring now than with Melo (definitely more scoring balance anyway. MUCH MORE). I think that's a plus. And it's a bunch of guys that are all young, 25-ish, who, besides THJ, are all short-term contract guys that we can sit back and evaluate. If they don't work out for whatever reason, we can turn the page quickly coming up. And THJ, despite overpaying, is a nice polished piece to have moving forward. Then there's Frankie who's very intriguing -- man, I hope he plays tonight, even if he doesn't start and plays only 10 mins. Wanna see him BADLY, I know we all do. Gotta see what he can do at this level. But he's a plus moving forward--a young versatile guard that looks wise beyond his years both in ability & IQ--dude looks ready to compete. Then there's all the role players that complement the scorers -- steady vet PGs in Sessions/Jack, LT's limited as a player but he plays hard/plays D. Same for Ron Baker.. Two very good glue guys right there. Noah and Courtney Lee, if their PT doesn't get severely reduced which I could see, are two more glue guys. KP's shot-blocking complements Kanter/Hernangomez very well on D...Kuz and O'Quinn supply more quality depth. And let's not forget Dotson who can shoot--a great 2nd round pickup. Out of all the non-guarantee guys, I actually like Jamel Artis -- prob. doesn't make the team (don't even know if there's any room) but that dude has a nice feel and can play...Horn's also a real good coach for this group -- he's suddenly got a lot of offensive options to work with. Point is -- yeah, there's holes and this team isn't challenging for a championship, but there's no denying it all seems to fit quite well on paper.

Look I know the chances are a lot greater that this turns out to be a 30-win season (and if so, fine. I'll take another lottery pick plus a high 2 with that CHI pick) but I honestly think there's potential here for 45 wins and a playoff berth if it all goes right. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Remember you heard it here with me first.

Go Knicks!

HofstraBBall wrote:Rebuilding=Meaningless=insignificant in the media world.

Think real fans know its a 3-5 years before we should expect anything. Non-fans have nothing to talk/criticize about.

But it's like one of those (heard it all before) kind of cases.

Everyone comes in here with a plan that looks and sounds great. It's going to take Isaiah 2 to 3 yrs, its going to take walsh 2 to 3 yrs, it's going to take phil 2 to 3 yrs, and now it's going to take mills 2 to 3 yrs.

whats the difference in dolan not being involved in the day to day, or hiring incompetent people (then hits the road with his band) and they run the franchise into the joke of the league, The results have been bad either way.

People are going to get over THJ, and Noahs contract when the produce wins, when the see real progress, not talk.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Rebuilding=Meaningless=insignificant in the media world.

Think real fans know its a 3-5 years before we should expect anything. Non-fans have nothing to talk/criticize about.

But it's like one of those (heard it all before) kind of cases.

Everyone comes in here with a plan that looks and sounds great. It's going to take Isaiah 2 to 3 yrs, its going to take walsh 2 to 3 yrs, it's going to take phil 2 to 3 yrs, and now it's going to take mills 2 to 3 yrs.

whats the difference in dolan not being involved in the day to day, or hiring incompetent people (then hits the road with his band) and they run the franchise into the joke of the league, The results have been bad either way.

People are going to get over THJ, and Noahs contract when the produce wins, when the see real progress, not talk.

Yep. Agree we are back to the drawing board and that it is yet to be seen if we dont F things up again.

But it is what it is. No choice but to see what happens and hope.