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9/28/2017  10:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
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buddapaw wrote:Why is he still here?
I have no clue. I would love to know though.

Rambis is the last vestige of Derek Fisher’s original staff and stayed on after Phil Jackson’s dismissal because of his past friendship with Hornacek. They were teammates in Phoenix

This entire FO is built on friendship, not credibility

again. More bull**** from you dude. Price is regarded as one of the most talented up and coming execs in the league.

What is your problem dude?

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9/28/2017  10:09 AM
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nixluva wrote:Rambis is the only one on the staff that won a Title as a Defensive Coach! To blame Rambis for the D last year kind of misses the fact that we had some absolutely putrid defenders for him to work with and he took over that responsibility after Camp. I think Jeff made this change mostly to take the Bullseye off Rambis back as the LONE guy responsible even tho I'm pretty sure he's still the main tactician.

The Lakers' DEFENSIVE funnel vision

Rambis was given task of improving team's defense, and his ideas, predicated on forcing the ball to one side of the court, are working
November 28, 2008|Mike Bresnahan | Bresnahan is a Times staff writer.


It's been sitting there, sausage, mushrooms and mozzarella, all but ignored because the Lakers' defensive coach is on a roll.

The black ballpoint pen is flying as Rambis draws up defensive schemes, scrawling out Xs and O's on the wax paper that covers a table at an Italian bistro.

He talks about steals, blocked shots and overloading one side of the court. He emphasizes the necessity to jump into passing lanes to intercept skip passes. He talks and draws, and then, finally, he eats. His work is done . . . at least on paper.

It was a given that the Lakers would score gobs of points this season, but Coach Phil Jackson wanted to put a stop to all the points being dropped on them (the team's defensive rank last season: 18th).

So Jackson gathered his coaches before training camp and told them he was appointing a defensive coach, something he hadn't done in his previous 18 years of coaching in the NBA.

"We didn't want to announce it and make a big deal about it like Boston did with their guy," Jackson said. "But Kurt is real good at this and he's willing."

Ah, yes. Boston.

The Celtics' defensive coach, Tom Thibodeau, made numerous headlines for his shut-it-down success last season, creating a template for championship-caliber teams via an unforgiving defense.

The Lakers could have used such a thing in the Finals, when the Celtics ended the Lakers' fairy tale by crushing them with Paul Pierce's slow, methodical, back-'em-down-the-lane style.

It has created a slow burn in the Lakers for, oh, about 164 days since their 131-92 humiliation in Game 6 of the Finals.

The Lakers began working on the new defense during training camp and continue to practice it almost every day. The results have been a boon.

The Lakers (12-1) are third in the league in opponents' shooting percentage (42.2%), sixth in points given up (92.7 a game), and first in point differential (14.3 a game).

The players have eaten it up, finding an appetite for steals (a league-best 10.4 a game) and blocked shots (6.2 a game, sixth-best in the league) that matches their zest for alley-oop dunks and three-on-one breaks.

"The thought process is that you want to win a championship. In order to beat a Boston, you've got to be a better defensive team than Boston," Kobe Bryant said. "If you want to hoist that trophy at the end of the year, we've got to be a great defensive team. That's the only way to get it done."

Rambis, in his seventh season as a Lakers assistant coach, had been in Jackson's ear for a while, pointing out an opportunity to take advantage of the NBA rule changes in 2001 that allowed zone defenses. Jackson ultimately relented over the summer.


"Kurt's been pestering me for a year or so about doing some things defensively that I was reluctant to do," Jackson said. "I come from the old school where you play man [defense], and you have that man and that's your primary goal."

The Lakers now use a lot of zone principles and try to keep the ball on one side of the court.

They put pressure on the ballhandler to try to force him to a particular side and then often overload the area by sending an extra defender to stand down near the post, essentially shifting the defense from man-to-man to zone.

Skip passes to the undermanned side can hurt the Lakers, but their defense has been quick to jump into passing lanes and create turnovers.

Crucial to their defensive success is extreme pressure on the ballhandler. Without that pressure, the ballhandler can see the court and find open teammates.

"We've got guys that have the capability of being a very disruptive defensive team," Rambis said. "We tried to give them goals to start training camp. They should be among the league leaders in defensive field-goal percentage, rebounds, shot blocks, steals, point differential. If you're among the league leaders in those categories, you're going to give yourself a chance to win."

The dramatic changes in personnel since last year's training camp have definitely helped.

Kwame Brown no longer patrols the middle -- er, tries to patrol the middle -- after being replaced by the younger and longer Andrew Bynum, who is gaining experience and confidence by the day.

Next to Bynum is fellow 7-footer Pau Gasol, who is fairly fluid for his size and is back to his natural position of power forward after playing center in Bynum's absence last season.

Bryant is an eight-time member of the All-Defensive team. The antagonistic, rangy forward Trevor Ariza is healthy after an injury-marred end to last season.

Word is spreading around the league.

"Their defense is much better than it was last year," New Orleans Coach Byron Scott said. "I think they learned from the Boston Celtics that you have to play defense to win championships. They really have done a heck of a job just getting after people, closing the lanes down and forcing people to shoot jump shots. When you get by them, you've got two 7-footers back there contesting shots."

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/28/sports/sp-lakers28

Rambis, 51, has been an assistant with the Lakers for 10 seasons and has filled in for Jackson for medical reasons on a number of occasions.

He was in charge of the Lakers' defense last season and was credited with the Lakers holding the Orlando Magic to only 91.2 points a game in the NBA Finals en route to winning the franchise's 15th championship.

Jackson gathered the Lakers coaches before training camp last October and told them he was appointing a defensive coach, something he hadn't done in his previous 17 years of coaching in the NBA.

"Kurt is real good at this and he's willing," Jackson said at the time.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/06/sports/sp-lakers-rambis6

Well, this year he has no excuses. We got rid of all the worst defenders (melo and rose) and brought in our new defensive pg. If the team still plays bad defense, it is time put the blame on the coaches.

and replace them with even worse defenders (beasly, McDermott, kanter, thj) ,

which one of those players is replacing Melo?

Also THjr was not a bad defender... I again, I know you place a low value on facts, reality and stats.

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9/28/2017  12:17 PM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TheGame wrote:
nixluva wrote:Rambis is the only one on the staff that won a Title as a Defensive Coach! To blame Rambis for the D last year kind of misses the fact that we had some absolutely putrid defenders for him to work with and he took over that responsibility after Camp. I think Jeff made this change mostly to take the Bullseye off Rambis back as the LONE guy responsible even tho I'm pretty sure he's still the main tactician.

The Lakers' DEFENSIVE funnel vision

Rambis was given task of improving team's defense, and his ideas, predicated on forcing the ball to one side of the court, are working
November 28, 2008|Mike Bresnahan | Bresnahan is a Times staff writer.


It's been sitting there, sausage, mushrooms and mozzarella, all but ignored because the Lakers' defensive coach is on a roll.

The black ballpoint pen is flying as Rambis draws up defensive schemes, scrawling out Xs and O's on the wax paper that covers a table at an Italian bistro.

He talks about steals, blocked shots and overloading one side of the court. He emphasizes the necessity to jump into passing lanes to intercept skip passes. He talks and draws, and then, finally, he eats. His work is done . . . at least on paper.

It was a given that the Lakers would score gobs of points this season, but Coach Phil Jackson wanted to put a stop to all the points being dropped on them (the team's defensive rank last season: 18th).

So Jackson gathered his coaches before training camp and told them he was appointing a defensive coach, something he hadn't done in his previous 18 years of coaching in the NBA.

"We didn't want to announce it and make a big deal about it like Boston did with their guy," Jackson said. "But Kurt is real good at this and he's willing."

Ah, yes. Boston.

The Celtics' defensive coach, Tom Thibodeau, made numerous headlines for his shut-it-down success last season, creating a template for championship-caliber teams via an unforgiving defense.

The Lakers could have used such a thing in the Finals, when the Celtics ended the Lakers' fairy tale by crushing them with Paul Pierce's slow, methodical, back-'em-down-the-lane style.

It has created a slow burn in the Lakers for, oh, about 164 days since their 131-92 humiliation in Game 6 of the Finals.

The Lakers began working on the new defense during training camp and continue to practice it almost every day. The results have been a boon.

The Lakers (12-1) are third in the league in opponents' shooting percentage (42.2%), sixth in points given up (92.7 a game), and first in point differential (14.3 a game).

The players have eaten it up, finding an appetite for steals (a league-best 10.4 a game) and blocked shots (6.2 a game, sixth-best in the league) that matches their zest for alley-oop dunks and three-on-one breaks.

"The thought process is that you want to win a championship. In order to beat a Boston, you've got to be a better defensive team than Boston," Kobe Bryant said. "If you want to hoist that trophy at the end of the year, we've got to be a great defensive team. That's the only way to get it done."

Rambis, in his seventh season as a Lakers assistant coach, had been in Jackson's ear for a while, pointing out an opportunity to take advantage of the NBA rule changes in 2001 that allowed zone defenses. Jackson ultimately relented over the summer.


"Kurt's been pestering me for a year or so about doing some things defensively that I was reluctant to do," Jackson said. "I come from the old school where you play man [defense], and you have that man and that's your primary goal."

The Lakers now use a lot of zone principles and try to keep the ball on one side of the court.

They put pressure on the ballhandler to try to force him to a particular side and then often overload the area by sending an extra defender to stand down near the post, essentially shifting the defense from man-to-man to zone.

Skip passes to the undermanned side can hurt the Lakers, but their defense has been quick to jump into passing lanes and create turnovers.

Crucial to their defensive success is extreme pressure on the ballhandler. Without that pressure, the ballhandler can see the court and find open teammates.

"We've got guys that have the capability of being a very disruptive defensive team," Rambis said. "We tried to give them goals to start training camp. They should be among the league leaders in defensive field-goal percentage, rebounds, shot blocks, steals, point differential. If you're among the league leaders in those categories, you're going to give yourself a chance to win."

The dramatic changes in personnel since last year's training camp have definitely helped.

Kwame Brown no longer patrols the middle -- er, tries to patrol the middle -- after being replaced by the younger and longer Andrew Bynum, who is gaining experience and confidence by the day.

Next to Bynum is fellow 7-footer Pau Gasol, who is fairly fluid for his size and is back to his natural position of power forward after playing center in Bynum's absence last season.

Bryant is an eight-time member of the All-Defensive team. The antagonistic, rangy forward Trevor Ariza is healthy after an injury-marred end to last season.

Word is spreading around the league.

"Their defense is much better than it was last year," New Orleans Coach Byron Scott said. "I think they learned from the Boston Celtics that you have to play defense to win championships. They really have done a heck of a job just getting after people, closing the lanes down and forcing people to shoot jump shots. When you get by them, you've got two 7-footers back there contesting shots."

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/28/sports/sp-lakers28

Rambis, 51, has been an assistant with the Lakers for 10 seasons and has filled in for Jackson for medical reasons on a number of occasions.

He was in charge of the Lakers' defense last season and was credited with the Lakers holding the Orlando Magic to only 91.2 points a game in the NBA Finals en route to winning the franchise's 15th championship.

Jackson gathered the Lakers coaches before training camp last October and told them he was appointing a defensive coach, something he hadn't done in his previous 17 years of coaching in the NBA.

"Kurt is real good at this and he's willing," Jackson said at the time.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/06/sports/sp-lakers-rambis6

Well, this year he has no excuses. We got rid of all the worst defenders (melo and rose) and brought in our new defensive pg. If the team still plays bad defense, it is time put the blame on the coaches.

and replace them with even worse defenders (beasly, McDermott, kanter, thj) ,

which one of those players is replacing Melo?

Also THjr was not a bad defender... I again, I know you place a low value on facts, reality and stats.

THJ is not making any defensive teams dude, yes he's gotten better, but less not mistake him for bruce bowen or even Sprewell..he's definitely made strides thanks to the hawks coaching staff

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9/30/2017  8:47 AM
After Jackson was let go, Hornacek said associate head coach Kurt Rambis asked him if he still wanted him on the staff. Rambis was brought in by Jackson and is close friends with him. But Hornacek played with Rambis in Phoenix and wanted him to stay.

“He was saying, ‘If you don’t think it will work then hey I understand that,’” Hornacek said. “But I knew Kurt from the past and I knew how he played and I played with him for a couple of years and I know his knowledge of the game is great. So I was happy to keep him on.”


So there's no misconception

He is basically here because he's a friend, and every single person on this board would hire their friend even if their contributions were minimal, I don't like it, but I totally understand it.

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9/30/2017  8:49 AM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
buddapaw wrote:Why is he still here?
I have no clue. I would love to know though.

Rambis is the last vestige of Derek Fisher’s original staff and stayed on after Phil Jackson’s dismissal because of his past friendship with Hornacek. They were teammates in Phoenix

This entire FO is built on friendship, not credibility

again. More bull**** from you dude. Price is regarded as one of the most talented up and coming execs in the league.

What is your problem dude?

who the hell is Price?

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9/30/2017  9:13 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
After Jackson was let go, Hornacek said associate head coach Kurt Rambis asked him if he still wanted him on the staff. Rambis was brought in by Jackson and is close friends with him. But Hornacek played with Rambis in Phoenix and wanted him to stay.

“He was saying, ‘If you don’t think it will work then hey I understand that,’” Hornacek said. “But I knew Kurt from the past and I knew how he played and I played with him for a couple of years and I know his knowledge of the game is great. So I was happy to keep him on.”


So there's no misconception

He is basically here because he's a friend, and every single person on this board would hire their friend even if their contributions were minimal, I don't like it, but I totally understand it.

Rambis was made out to be a Phil Jackson spy who was undermining Jeff causing dysfunction. Now he is Jeff's friend who Jeff is throwing a bone.

If Rambis is as incompetent as he has been made out to be. Then Jeff isn't risking his job for him. If he was a problem for KP the way he was made out to be. Then he wouldn't be here. The complaint on Rambis seemed more communication esq and not really Xs and Os. Jeff may see value in using him for his brain. While limiting his weakness of communication with players. Probably has him working more directly with him then with players.

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9/30/2017  9:41 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
After Jackson was let go, Hornacek said associate head coach Kurt Rambis asked him if he still wanted him on the staff. Rambis was brought in by Jackson and is close friends with him. But Hornacek played with Rambis in Phoenix and wanted him to stay.

“He was saying, ‘If you don’t think it will work then hey I understand that,’” Hornacek said. “But I knew Kurt from the past and I knew how he played and I played with him for a couple of years and I know his knowledge of the game is great. So I was happy to keep him on.”


So there's no misconception

He is basically here because he's a friend, and every single person on this board would hire their friend even if their contributions were minimal, I don't like it, but I totally understand it.

Rambis was made out to be a Phil Jackson spy who was undermining Jeff causing dysfunction. Now he is Jeff's friend who Jeff is throwing a bone.

If Rambis is as incompetent as he has been made out to be. Then Jeff isn't risking his job for him. If he was a problem for KP the way he was made out to be. Then he wouldn't be here. The complaint on Rambis seemed more communication esq and not really Xs and Os. Jeff may see value in using him for his brain. While limiting his weakness of communication with players. Probably has him working more directly with him then with players.

I know there's some truth to every rumor, so I think to some degree, RAmbis is a negative more than a positive, or he would have been the head coach. If you limit is use to what he's really good at (and I have no idea what that maybe) it can't hurt.

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9/30/2017  12:02 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
After Jackson was let go, Hornacek said associate head coach Kurt Rambis asked him if he still wanted him on the staff. Rambis was brought in by Jackson and is close friends with him. But Hornacek played with Rambis in Phoenix and wanted him to stay.

“He was saying, ‘If you don’t think it will work then hey I understand that,’” Hornacek said. “But I knew Kurt from the past and I knew how he played and I played with him for a couple of years and I know his knowledge of the game is great. So I was happy to keep him on.”


So there's no misconception

He is basically here because he's a friend, and every single person on this board would hire their friend even if their contributions were minimal, I don't like it, but I totally understand it.

Rambis was made out to be a Phil Jackson spy who was undermining Jeff causing dysfunction. Now he is Jeff's friend who Jeff is throwing a bone.

If Rambis is as incompetent as he has been made out to be. Then Jeff isn't risking his job for him. If he was a problem for KP the way he was made out to be. Then he wouldn't be here. The complaint on Rambis seemed more communication esq and not really Xs and Os. Jeff may see value in using him for his brain. While limiting his weakness of communication with players. Probably has him working more directly with him then with players.

I know there's some truth to every rumor, so I think to some degree, RAmbis is a negative more than a positive, or he would have been the head coach. If you limit is use to what he's really good at (and I have no idea what that maybe) it can't hurt.

I don't think any of us have any clue on how much positive or negative impact Rambis has. We have to solely rely on Jeff's opinion of him.

But the narrative was that he was Phil Jackson's spy. Who constantly undermined Jeff. Who offered poor communications skills towards players like Melo and KP etc.

Your post was to clear up misconception but we can't acknowledge that he is only on the staff due to being Jeff's friend. While ignoring that he was supposed to be a mole who was undermining Jeff all last season. And that these 2 complete opposite extremes again clarifies for us that we again don't have any clue when it comes to Rambis. And formed strong opinions based off limited information.

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