teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

HofstraBBall wrote:

teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

Hornacek should watch how to utilize KP as focal point, he moves around and play much more team ball than with Knicks, i think this is also Melo factor

Gudris wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

Hornacek should watch how to utilize KP as focal point, he moves around and play much more team ball than with Knicks, i think this is also Melo factor

to a certain degree you maybe right, but somehow, when ever players passes the ball to melo, they automatically stop moving, they clear out and let him go to work. I don't if it's a design ISO, or players getting memerized

GustavBahler wrote:

Gudris wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

Hornacek should watch how to utilize KP as focal point, he moves around and play much more team ball than with Knicks, i think this is also Melo factor

Its more of a PG factor IMO. How many PGs has KP played with in NY? How many of them were doing a good job of running the offense? We get the PG situation sorted out. More stability, less musical chairs, and I believe we will see the Knicks headed in the right direction.

KP/Willy
Thomas/Beasley
Kuzminskas/Lee
Hardaway/Baker
Ntilikina/Sessions

Floor spacing.
Players that are quick to make their moves.
Players that won't be upset about lack of touches.
Players that will work hard regardless of roles.

I don't think that lineup has enough to win more than 30 games, but they will play better basketball than last year's team. They are just too young in the core, to be able to close games and win enough. And I don't KP is ready to carry a team at the NBA level to the playoffs.

GustavBahler wrote:

Gudris wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Gudris wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

Hornacek should watch how to utilize KP as focal point, he moves around and play much more team ball than with Knicks, i think this is also Melo factor

Its more of a PG factor IMO. How many PGs has KP played with in NY? How many of them were doing a good job of running the offense? We get the PG situation sorted out. More stability, less musical chairs, and I believe we will see the Knicks headed in the right direction.

No, not a PG factor, whenever Melo gets a ball everybody else stops moving because they know he will go for 1on1 and little chance he will notice an open man

That does happen at times. Not enough to say the lack of a good PG isnt a problem. A good PG will make sure the ball keeps moving, that Melo wont be the only one touching the ball. Melo has played with PGs like that before (like Billups), and played well.

This team needs a PG they know will be leading the team for more than a season, if that. Cant expect the team to climb out of this hole without a reliable point guard. Hope Frank fits the bill.

Well looking at the video, the plays were not reliant on a pg to get everyone involved. The ball kept moving and so did the players and everyone seem to know their role, and take good rhythm shots.

Under the triangle, it's been anything but that. The combination of melo style and play, and no one truly knowing their roles, the constant back and forth with the ,system

There's literally a laundry list of reason on why the knicks offense has been super inconsistent the last few yr, but some of you like to take the easy way out and point to melo and rose (who only played together for 4 months)

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Gudris wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Gudris wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

teamsport72 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:So he should imitate the offense scheme that lost in the quarterfinals of the Euro championships? Smh

An offensive flow that generated 97 points in QF against the same Slovenian defence which allowed only 72 points in SF (while beating Spain - Gasol, Gasol, Rubio) may indeed be something, as you rightfully pointed out.
I do not believe you could imitate it, NBA play is objectively not that team oriented (except for GSW & SAS).

Agree NBA is a different style. MY POINT as to why an NBA coach would not look to imitate it. And are you saying Euro teams are better than NBA teams? Btw, saw the game and the guys you mentioned are telling. As Spain's lack of scoring was more about their lack of outside shooting not a correlation to how good Latvia's offense is. But again, the thread is about how JH better be watching. As though he does not already implement movement or team play.

Hornacek should watch how to utilize KP as focal point, he moves around and play much more team ball than with Knicks, i think this is also Melo factor

Its more of a PG factor IMO. How many PGs has KP played with in NY? How many of them were doing a good job of running the offense? We get the PG situation sorted out. More stability, less musical chairs, and I believe we will see the Knicks headed in the right direction.

No, not a PG factor, whenever Melo gets a ball everybody else stops moving because they know he will go for 1on1 and little chance he will notice an open man

That does happen at times. Not enough to say the lack of a good PG isnt a problem. A good PG will make sure the ball keeps moving, that Melo wont be the only one touching the ball. Melo has played with PGs like that before (like Billups), and played well.

This team needs a PG they know will be leading the team for more than a season, if that. Cant expect the team to climb out of this hole without a reliable point guard. Hope Frank fits the bill.

Well looking at the video, the plays were not reliant on a pg to get everyone involved. The ball kept moving and so did the players and everyone seem to know their role, and take good rhythm shots.

Under the triangle, it's been anything but that. The combination of melo style and play, and no one truly knowing their roles, the constant back and forth with the ,system

There's literally a laundry list of reason on why the knicks offense has been super inconsistent the last few yr, but some of you like to take the easy way out and point to melo and rose (who only played together for 4 months)

Good luck with this team going anywhere without a capable PG. Rose was the biggest ball hog in the league last season, played no defense, and was one of the worst 3 pt shooters in the league as well. Of course its easy to blame him.

Rose was part of the problem, he wasn't the only problem.

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Gudris wrote:IDK why but Latvian team coach Bagatskis said he will come to USA soon, maybe Knicks will hire him as an assistant coach?

Also found this KP statement on Jeff

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Updated September 26, 2017 2:22 PM
By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The Knicks opened training camp Tuesday with a new outlook, a new franchise player, a new offense and some traces of a system from the recent past.

“We actually did have some stuff from the triangle,” Kristaps Porzingis said. “I saw some elements from the triangle.”

Jeff Hornacek laughed it off, saying there are triangle actions all the time. All teams run elements of the triangle, but it was a taboo word in these parts the past few years.

By all accounts, the Knicks’ new offense in this post-Phil Jackson, post-Carmelo Anthony era will be based on getting quick shots and trying to outrun teams.

The Knicks are building with young players, and they don’t really have a proven go-to scorer after Anthony was traded to Oklahoma City. Hornacek plans to use those young legs — the Knicks have seven players who are 25 or younger — to their advantage.

“We’re going to play faster,” returning swingman Courtney Lee said after the spirited practice. “That’s one thing they’ve been stressing is to make sure we’re in shape. We’re going to get out and run people and we’re going to wear on teams. The pace of the game is definitely going to be faster.”

Of course, the Knicks need to get stops on defense to really be an effective transition team. But they want to make it tough for teams to guard them.

Hornacek thinks the Knicks should have enough shooting with Porzingis, Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr., and they have guys to throw to inside in Willy Hernangomez, Enes Kanter and Kyle O’Quinn.

In Hornacek’s first season as head coach of the Suns (2014-15), they were in the top eight in points, three-pointers attempted per game, and pace (possessions per game). The following season they were third in pace.

Last year, the Knicks – who went from running “triangle aspects” early to the triangle offense by the end of the season - were in the bottom half of the league in all three categories.

“The speed wasn’t where we wanted it to be,” Hornacek said. “I think we’re going to try to open it up, obviously the strength of our team should allow us to that.

“We think we can spread the floor out a little bit more and maybe get up and down the court a little bit mor,e put some pressure on the defense that way, but again, all that stuff’s going to start and probably only work so well if we can lock down defensively.”

Hornacek can play smaller and quicker or more versatile lineups as he did with the Suns.

He could start Hardaway Jr. and Lee at shooting guard and small forward. Or he could go more conventional and have Michael Beasley at small forward, but the Knicks lose something defensively with Lee on the bench.

Porzingis will be the focal point of the offense. But Hornacek hopes to have other options so teams can’t focus all of their attention on the 22-year-old Porzingis.

“We’re going to try to use him as much as we can but we can’t just be one-dimensional,” Hornacek said. “‘Let’s find out where KP is and get him the ball.’ We’ve got to play. You saw some of the games last year when some of the young guys were out there and the ball was really moving and that’s what makes it fun. He’s still obviously going to be our main weapon, but when we can spread it out it makes it easier for everybody.”

The Knicks hope a lot of things are easier after all the drama they experienced last year between the Anthony-Jackson situation, Derrick Rose’s civil trial and going AWOL for one game, and the Charles Oakley incident. Hornacek wants this season to be just about basketball.

“Hopefully,” Hornacek said, “the focus is on the New York Knicks organization and what we can do to grow, to do some good things. That’s our guys’ focus.”

Gudris wrote:

nixluva wrote:The NY Media STILL doesn't understand that Triangle concepts are used by a LOT of teams. It's not a bad thing to use some Triangle concepts and many teams do!

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Phil was never fired, biggest proof is that Rambis is still there

Phil had to go for Melo to go
Only way Melo cooperates for a trade is if Phil is not the one making it

Once Phil left, Melo was on good terms with Mills and Perry thus when a trade like the Houston one doesn't work for the Knicks, Melo accepts a trade to OKC.

No way in hell that happens with Phil around ... it had become a pissing contest