newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

And what does that tell you about this country?

I've been thinking about this. He isn't going to run against Hillary again. And there is no way he has gained MORE supporters and had to have lost many voters. I believe more people will look to vote who didn't vote in the election looking to get him out.

I could be wrong though.

It seems to look as paradox but all anti-Trump propaganda and anger will have him reelected.
The elections in US long became a popularity context and Presidency itself a reality show.
American people want a good show not a good president.
Trupm is the best political show ever so far and media is making it better every day.
He is so "Waking Dead" and "Game of Thrones" with huge elements of Kardashians and "Duck Dynasty" that is not even funny.
Trump gathered so much momentum that he can do literally whatever he wants regardless of Dems or Reps wishes that it is outright scary.
He is the dumbest one or most likely the smartest one. Or he had some people behind him who really know what they are doing.
And the latter is more likely.

TheGame wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

This is a falsehood. Curt schilling was fired by ESPN for coservative comments only after he had been warned twice before to stop it. This is Hills first offense, so they have warned her and are not firing her. ESPN has been consistent as these comments were made on her personal account and not an espn broadcast.

Also, cohen's comments were of an entirel different nature. She was essentially criticizing her bosses and their business decisions. If you basically said your boss was an idiot, don't you think you would be suspended or fired. Totally different type of comments.

Also, if hill should be fired for her comments, then Trump should be fired for saying Obama was a despicable person who wiretapped his hotel which has been shown to be totally untrue. Fired for what - voicing his opinion? And when Obama said untrue things did you voice the same opinion for him getting fired? All politicians should then be fired, which I actually can agree with. And why is the White House weighing in on whether a private citizen should be fired. It is unbelievable.

You are correct Schilling was warned. However, when actually fired, it was for a comment on his Facebook page not an ESPN page. So as with Hill, both made the comments in a non ESPN affiliated way. We will see if Hill can learn from the history with Schilling.

If you are saying ESPN covered their butts with a warning, that is fine. They also could have used the same statement for Schilling as they did to cover for Hill. They did not for a reason.

Cohn was asked a question during an interview, her answer was essentially, "stick to sports, that's what we do best"

ESPN's handling of her is rather extreme. SAS just ranted at ESPN for ranking Melo 64th with no discipline. SHe gets suspended for saying a sports network should do sporst? Hmmmm, sounds a bit extreme to me.

IN addition, why now? Cohn made her comments in April and now she is disciplined?

Huh?

Finally, Doug Alder was fired for his first offense for saying something that was not racist but was INTERPRETED as such because in English some words sound the same as others. ANother example of ESPN's tactics fairness and tolerance?

Again, Adler made his comments during an espn broadcast not his personal twitter account and from my reading of the situation espn just did not really like him and just terminated the relationship without any heavy condemnation of his comments. They accepted his apology.

sAS comments on the ranking is not a comment against espn bosses. So that is not something they would even care about. Espn has treated hill the same as they would have treated a white broadcaster with her status who made a personal comment on their personal twitter account.

He was fired for his comments which were NOT meant as racist but a choice poor of words. They did not fire him because they did not like him!!! LOL! Firing a man after his comments is kind of condemning, NO? His career is ruined. He is suing them. Kind of condemning right?

SAS said ESPN people know nothing about basketball. ESPN spends billions on basketball - sounds like a insult to management to me. One for hiring bad people and 2 for allowing the ranking to get published. Who makes those decisions? Managment - same people Cohn criticized 6 months ago.

I agree that the comments were a reason they fired him but my point is I did not get the sense that they were really all that into him to begin so they just decided to let him go. It was not like this guy was one of their broadcasters.

SAS has an entire show where he essentially disagrees with what the other ESPN analyst thinks. Not sure hey you think espn would be concerned about him disagreeing with rankings.

remember the the writer who got fired from espn for making the chink in armor statement regarding lin

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For the most part when I hear these words--I can only think of the KKK--Neo Nazis and or other radically racist groups.

If she believes that Donald Trump and nearly his entire staff are white supremacists--shes out of her mind.

Should she be fired--no. The US is a free country and she should have the right to speak what she feels while maintaining a discipline within her work boundaries

the one's Trump called "good people?" Those Neo Nazis? Just trying to clarify

If I may--I think what Donald trump was saying there was that there are good people who dont want the statues to come down. They dont need to stand with the KKK or any of these groups but are included in the side that did not want to see the destruction of the statues. Also--the "other side" violence is real. The "antifa" group among others is a violent group. The unfortunate loss of life was caused by a group that should get 0 coverage--this whole thing couldve been avoided if they left it to the police. The number of KKK or Neo Nazti is so small--dont give them a voice--you give them a voice by protesting against them--thats what they are looking for.

Uptown wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

And what does that tell you about this country?

I believe it says a variety of things about our Nation. Is there racism? Yes. Yet the biases and blatant racism that was fought over in the civil rights movement isn't the same as today. The nation, as seen by democratic rule in many urban cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit and Baltimore among many others, have maintained rope a dope approach to keeping minorities poor and uneducated. This has been written about extensively and i would be only too happy to refer you to the sources.
So what does it say ? I think that many can successfully argue that the supposed distinctions between the two party system are vast, in practice they are not. Trump is as anathema to the left as Obama was to the right yet For the bulk of the media Obama could do no wrong and Trump can do no right.

The country filters this when they vote and despite jaded polls reflecting Hillary being victorious by double digits in almost every poll that mattered, the Donald won as the public wanted someone to shake up Washington and frankly despite CNN and MSNBC the Times Post etc belittling him, the market is soaring, the economy humming, foreign relations having a great team in place,
Veterans supported, and amnesty being touted in a bi partisan fashion, there is hatred from most yet when the country votes if tax legislation passes and healthcare addressed he will be re elected.

Welpee wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

Well, the country really didn't "elect" him. Close to three million more people voted for his opponent. The electoral college got him in office. So essentially land mass elected him.

The margin of victory for Hillary in California alone was 4.3 million votes. Across the entire country, the President, DJT, lost by about 2.9 Million votes.

So, in the rest of the country, If we discount California all together, DJT won by both popular vote (1.4M) and electoral college (304-172).

The majority of votes that you and many others use, came from one heavy Democratic state. This is done, IMO, to claim some sort of supremacy for HRC when she in fact, lost the election based on how the actual results are determined. (304-227). Not really by the skin of his teeth.

IN baseball, a game is won by the team that scores the most runs at the end of the game, NOT by the team that has the most hits.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:VP Pence a while back brought up a "Hoosiers" reference. Some of the folks involved with the film reminded Pence that the film contained a message of inclusion that seemed to be lost on him.

Both Hill and Smith were critical of them speaking out on their sportscenter show. Weird that Hill all of a sudden is so outspoken, when not so long ago she criticized those who were far less critical of a member of this administration.

I liked Hill and Smith better when they had their own show, less corporate. ESPN tries to milk everything.

Are you sure he was referencing the movie? He was the governor of Indiana, the "Hoosier" state. He references the "Hoosiers", a term used to refer to the people of Indiana, in many speeches. I don't think he is referencing the movie each time.

"ESPN is trying to milk everything", I think that sums up this thread pretty well. They are making it very clear what they choose to "milk". It is their right of course, but once again, the public does not have to buy it. I think that Cohn is right and they are not.

Feel free to look into it yourself.....

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

And what does that tell you about this country?

I've been thinking about this. He isn't going to run against Hillary again. And there is no way he has gained MORE supporters and had to have lost many voters. I believe more people will look to vote who didn't vote in the election looking to get him out.

I could be wrong though.

It seems to look as paradox but all anti-Trump propaganda and anger will have him reelected.
The elections in US long became a popularity context and Presidency itself a reality show.
American people want a good show not a good president.
Trupm is the best political show ever so far and media is making it better every day.
He is so "Waking Dead" and "Game of Thrones" with huge elements of Kardashians and "Duck Dynasty" that is not even funny.
Trump gathered so much momentum that he can do literally whatever he wants regardless of Dems or Reps wishes that it is outright scary.
He is the dumbest one or most likely the smartest one. Or he had some people behind him who really know what they are doing.
And the latter is more likely.

All of that is true...until the democrats find a half-way electable candidate to run against him. Trump got elected by the skin of his teeth running against one of worst, most flawed candidates ever. Al Gore, John Kerry, and Obama all probably would've easily defeated Trump.

Obama may be but not other 2.
What Dems need is a candidate without agenda like Climate change or just Social issues.
They need candidate with progressive social agenda and conservative economic views who is also America centric not globalist.
America became so nationalistic that without this element is almost impossible to govern.
The world affairs are pushing Americas into isolation from the rest of the chaos. At least until the things will settle down.
We need the rest of the world start making decisions on their own to recognize our value.
We are totally self sufficient and can wait and see until the rest of the world will recognize the value of cooperation and will be ready to bring something of their own of value to the table.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

Well, the country really didn't "elect" him. Close to three million more people voted for his opponent. The electoral college got him in office. So essentially land mass elected him.

The margin of victory for Hillary in California alone was 4.3 million votes. Across the entire country, the President, DJT, lost by about 2.9 Million votes.

So, in the rest of the country, If we discount California all together, DJT won by both popular vote (1.4M) and electoral college (304-172).

The majority of votes that you and many others use, came from one heavy Democratic state. This is done, IMO, to claim some sort of supremacy for HRC when she in fact, lost the election based on how the actual results are determined. (304-227). Not really by the skin of his teeth.

IN baseball, a game is won by the team that scores the most runs at the end of the game, NOT by the team that has the most hits.

imho, where those votes come from don't really matter but here's an interesting breakdown:

the top 10 ranked states for educational attainment and who they voted for:

MA - clinton
CO - clinton
MD - clinton
CT - clinton
NJ - clinton
VA - clinton
VT - clinton
NH - clinton
NY - clinton
MN - clinton

the next 5:

WA - clinton
IL - clinton
RI - clinton
CA - clinton
UT - trump

it seems to me that the only reason rebulicans continue to get votes is by intentionally keeping their states uneducated.

djsunyc wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

Well, the country really didn't "elect" him. Close to three million more people voted for his opponent. The electoral college got him in office. So essentially land mass elected him.

The margin of victory for Hillary in California alone was 4.3 million votes. Across the entire country, the President, DJT, lost by about 2.9 Million votes.

So, in the rest of the country, If we discount California all together, DJT won by both popular vote (1.4M) and electoral college (304-172).

The majority of votes that you and many others use, came from one heavy Democratic state. This is done, IMO, to claim some sort of supremacy for HRC when she in fact, lost the election based on how the actual results are determined. (304-227). Not really by the skin of his teeth.

IN baseball, a game is won by the team that scores the most runs at the end of the game, NOT by the team that has the most hits.

imho, where those votes come from don't really matter but here's an interesting breakdown:

the top 10 ranked states for educational attainment and who they voted for:

MA - clinton
CO - clinton
MD - clinton
CT - clinton
NJ - clinton
VA - clinton
VT - clinton
NH - clinton
NY - clinton
MN - clinton

the next 5:

WA - clinton
IL - clinton
RI - clinton
CA - clinton
UT - trump

it seems to me that the only reason rebulicans continue to get votes is by intentionally keeping their states uneducated.

And how they keep them uneducated?
Not issuing visas to other states of closing high schools?