newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....

It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.

Im sure you've seen me lose it in a response to 1248 before. I know sometimes it comes off as borderline trolling, but Ive read far worse. And I dont believe copying and pasting disses is the way to go. You're a much better contributor and poster than that, IMO.

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:^ At least he isnt copying and pasting insults....

It wasn't an insult. Just calling it what it is. Did it twice to demonstrate that almost every thread is basically the same argument made using different angles. There is no point in providing rational arguments. The man wants what he wants and nothing else matters.

Im sure you've seen me lose it in a response to 1248 before. I know sometimes it comes off as borderline trolling, but Ive read far worse. And I dont believe copying and pasting disses is the way to go. You're a much better contributor and poster than that, IMO.

Its the offseason. I'll get my game right when the season starts.

Ditto, lol

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.

I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.

Where do people get this from. Any high usage guard is automatically a poor leader.High usage guards are dominating the NBA right now. Dennis Smith jr. was schemed against every time he went on the floor and was still highly productive. However I do agree with how the Knicks built their roster he probably isn't the best fit, especially with Melo and Hardaway Jr. here. I just don't get the constant comparisons to malcontents like Francis, and Marbury when the kid hasn't played an NBA game. I see a guy built for todays game.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.

Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.

WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.

same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS

when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..

some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.

Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.

WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.

same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS

when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..

some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO

What your saying would only be relevant if the Knicks have been using the same prpress of building with youth through the draft all those regimes yet continued to fail. We both know that hasnt been the case. In fact what you have been preaching is the blue print that those regimes sand Walsh followed. So your preaching the same formula that the Knicks have been failing at over these years. Yet then complain that they need to continue to do the same formula that has lead to failure because they haven't won in 44 years.

Regardless of any of that. Given the Knicks current situation. Rebuilding with youth is the best choice for this club. Carmelo if he stays will opt out or at most has 2 years left. Noah, Lee will probably decline over the next 2 yrs. If the Knicks are to win it needs to be due to the youth since they are the ones that have long term potential with the club. Knicks need to add one more cost controlled impact player. Then they can go so all in trying to win after the next draft.

If we land a stud then our foundation is set to be a playoff team over multiple seasons with youth that can maintain success more than one season. If he isn't a stud we are in the same boat as we are now. But can still look to go all in going forward. Example packaging Lee with 2 future first round picks. Plus cap space available when Melo opts out.

reub wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Kinda wished we had picked DSjr. After watching him (admittedly, very little) in summer league, I don't think he was going to suffer from D Rose's can't run an offense disease.

I'm still not convinced he would have been the best fit here. He seems to lack the leadership ability similar to Marbury, Francis, Rose etc. Ntilikina seems to have a much better personality for New York and the PG position.

Where do people get this from. Any high usage guard is automatically a poor leader.High usage guards are dominating the NBA right now. Dennis Smith jr. was schemed against every time he went on the floor and was still highly productive. However I do agree with how the Knicks built their roster he probably isn't the best fit, especially with Melo and Hardaway Jr. here. I just don't get the constant comparisons to malcontents like Francis, and Marbury when the kid hasn't played an NBA game. I see a guy built for todays game.

I see a guy who didn't even lift a finger on defense in college. That's a big red flag to me.

Exactly. Phil realized if the Knicks were ever going to be serious contenders in the playoffs the defense would have to improve and Frank is a big part of that plan. Phil's recognition of the need and determination to improve the defense could be seen when he consistently praised Ron Baker's willingness to get after it on that end of the floor.

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920

He's not gonna say he wouldn't of picked Nitty.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:One big thing we lack--a player who controls the dribble who can make plays--we do NOT have 1 right now

Im not counting on Noah and I think Oquinn is a goner next year--so we need a 4/5 who is 6-9 245 who can play basketball. Also Im not sure about KP's durability.

Were going to need a little more size and skill from the 3 long term. I like Beasley for this years team as a 6th or 7th man--but hes signed to a 1 yr contract and it will be up in the air what he brings.

I think SG were all set unless we find a player who is just dominant in the draft and happens to play 2 guard.

Since you think the Knicks are winning "25 games tops," one of those players should be available via a good draft pick.

mills doesn't want that type of player, so even there were 10 available, according to him, he would have still picked frank

When did he say that?

This is what I found about Mills take on Nitty:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/887017817798737920

Unless I'm misreading the tweet, it in no way says Mills doesn't want a "player who controls the dribble who can make plays"

Only a moron concludes because he endorses picking Ntilikina this draft that he doesn't want that type of player ever.

he's not going to be around long enough to see any of these players develop if they don't start winning, like this season

Well, that has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim about what type of players Mills doesn't want. That was still stupid.

Knicks1248 only cares about his own instant satisfaction of seeing the Knicks win immediately. He will try to finesse it to look like its whats best for the Knicks. But at the end of the day its only to feed his own desire for immediate satisfaction.

WHAT THE heck are you talking about, we haven't won sht in 44 yrs, and have had 3 consecutive lottery season.
you guys think by pressing the reset button every season, we should disregard the pass. immediate satisfaction?? don't make me laugh.

same regime and we/I should "BE Patient"...oooooohhh this time it's going to work, we just need 5 more losing season to make in 9 in row, and we should be contending...gtfo with the BS

when Isaiah took over- be patient
when walsh took over- be patient
when grunwald took over- be patient
when mills took over- be patient
when phil took over- be patient
now mills is taken over again-I should be patient, he's the man that knows how to build a contender Right ? we have so much evidence of that..

some of you are at the point where you will support any regime that comes in with a plan, and I will too, but after too many fck ups, I'm done. I don't see any melo haters saying, this is a new season lets give melo the benefit(you want him gone, end of story) we'll, I feel the same way about the FO

Yeah but this is the only time we actually did what everyone has been wanting us to do in all those other years with all those other GM's and started to rebuild this team the right way, so now more than any of those other years is the time to be patient.

YUP! There's lot of young talent on the roster and it's the only logical path forward at this point.
Gotta develop and grow our own stars and then when the time is right they can get serious about adding a key Free Agent. Once the youth develop it will make the Knicks a more desirous destination.
Gotta let this play out naturally.