knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

The thing is that only Perry has a clean slate! Perry is the GM! Mills is presiding now and tho he's been part of the franchise dysfunction, the current state of the franchise is actually pretty good.

Knicks have Melo as an asset that will likely be moved at some point for assets that can help the team's future! There aren't many other negatives left outside of Noah's contract. The Knicks have a nice group of young studs to go forward with. This isn't really about clean slates. It's about building on the foundation and development now.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

The Knicks are rebuilding. They don't see themselves as being genuinely competitive for the remaining years of his contract. This is what teams do with veterans when the rebuilding, they move on.

The NBA, the NFL, MLB - this is totally commonplace.

Comparing Melo to those three players seems to miss the obvious - the Knicks envision them being around for more than 4 years.

Whether it's personal or not (I don't care either way) it's the right thing to do. Melos time here hasn't worked out. Utterly independent of who's fault that may or not may or not be it is time to move on, again as is typical in pro sports.

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

The Knicks are rebuilding. They don't see themselves as being genuinely competitive for the remaining years of his contract. This is what teams do with veterans when the rebuilding, they move on.

The NBA, the NFL, MLB - this is totally commonplace.

Comparing Melo to those three players seems to miss the obvious - the Knicks envision them being around for more than 4 years.

Whether it's personal or not (I don't care either way) it's the right thing to do. Melos time here hasn't worked out. Utterly independent of who's fault that may or not may or not be it is time to move on, again as is typical in pro sports.

I guess my point was Melo's time here worked out a lot better when Mills wasn't running things. Has Mills' time in NY worked out? I am hoping that will this time but he has a track record here already.

Making it 'Mills vs Melo' is a fan thing and completely irrelevant. If I read a few months ago that Mills was being let go by the organization, I wouldn't have batted an eye. It would've been justifiable. But this is the Knicks and he's still here. Completely unrelated to that fact is it's time for the Knicks it move on from Melo.

That is the correct call regardless of whether it's Mills or someone else in his position.

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

The Knicks are rebuilding. They don't see themselves as being genuinely competitive for the remaining years of his contract. This is what teams do with veterans when the rebuilding, they move on.

The NBA, the NFL, MLB - this is totally commonplace.

Comparing Melo to those three players seems to miss the obvious - the Knicks envision them being around for more than 4 years.

Whether it's personal or not (I don't care either way) it's the right thing to do. Melos time here hasn't worked out. Utterly independent of who's fault that may or not may or not be it is time to move on, again as is typical in pro sports.

I guess my point was Melo's time here worked out a lot better when Mills wasn't running things. Has Mills' time in NY worked out? I am hoping that will this time but he has a track record here already.

Making it 'Mills vs Melo' is a fan thing and completely irrelevant. If I read a few months ago that Mills was being let go by the organization, I wouldn't have batted an eye. It would've been justifiable. But this is the Knicks and he's still here. Completely unrelated to that fact is it's time for the Knicks it move on from Melo.

That is the correct call regardless of whether it's Mills or someone else in his position.

I do not disagree that about moving on from Melo. I am hoping Mills gets things right in regards to the organization. In the past he hasn't. In my opinion Rambis and probably Jeff should have been let go. I don't think the problems with the locker room have been fixed. If the goal of the organization is to keep KP long term I think some fences need to be mended. I am not sure if that is going to happen when the only guys leaving were Phil and Longstaff.

I see no reason to be worried over perceived issues. It could all be just a figment of your imagination. Until KP says he's unwilling to play for Jeff or Rambis I don't want to here about this kind of stuff. KP has stated repeatedly that he wants to be in NY for his entire career. That's all that he's said. He had no reason to say it if he still had issues with the team. It seems to me that you're letting your own personal bias influence how you're reading things.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

The Knicks are rebuilding. They don't see themselves as being genuinely competitive for the remaining years of his contract. This is what teams do with veterans when the rebuilding, they move on.

The NBA, the NFL, MLB - this is totally commonplace.

Comparing Melo to those three players seems to miss the obvious - the Knicks envision them being around for more than 4 years.

Whether it's personal or not (I don't care either way) it's the right thing to do. Melos time here hasn't worked out. Utterly independent of who's fault that may or not may or not be it is time to move on, again as is typical in pro sports.

I guess my point was Melo's time here worked out a lot better when Mills wasn't running things. Has Mills' time in NY worked out? I am hoping that will this time but he has a track record here already.

Making it 'Mills vs Melo' is a fan thing and completely irrelevant. If I read a few months ago that Mills was being let go by the organization, I wouldn't have batted an eye. It would've been justifiable. But this is the Knicks and he's still here. Completely unrelated to that fact is it's time for the Knicks it move on from Melo.

That is the correct call regardless of whether it's Mills or someone else in his position.

LEADERSHIP is first and for most, then veterans, then you insert youth in any rebuilding process ( see the spurs) or any successful rebuild

The Spurs haven't rebuilt in a generation, literally.

were going backwards,

And that's why there will be changes. Veterans go first in a rebuild. No amount of ignoring that makes it any less true.

The discussion with melo should have been a dad/hoodie/melo role

I'm not quite sure what this 'hoodie melo' meme is. People are expecting a 13-year veteran to change his game based on some 30 second workout videos, really?

Sounds a lot like wishful thinking.

Melo is 33-year old, a center of gravity, high-volume, middle-of-the-road efficient, mid-range scorer, not terribly proficient or willing (during the majority of the second half of his career) passer, rebounder or defender.

You KNOW the Knicks are not genuinely competing with him over the next two years. Your sole argument seems to be that if the Knicks are not better than a 32-win team this season it either reflects poorly on KP or it negatively impacts KP, but I don't get the sense you really figured out which one it is yet. I think you may have them a little bit confused.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Melo's record as a Knick without Mills running things 98-53. Melo's record as a Knick with Mills in charge or in the gm role 106-159. Knicks won almost 65% of their games that Melo played in pre-Mills. That is about 54 wins annually. They average just under 34 wins with Mills running things. That is a twenty game drop. Mills has a lot of baggage. Pretty sure he played for Pete Carril a long time before Phil took over. Apparently his vision has changed now or there was a reason he could not pursue it but his tenure with the Knicks has not been good. I hope he gets this right. He is saying the right things but I see no reason to assume that this is the time he finally gets it. I like the Perry hire. I do not think the personalities of the players and coaching staff that clashed last year are suddenly going to change so I think he should have addressed that.

The realization is that mills trying to get rid of Melo is more personally then business. That bs his running about defense defense defense is a smoke screen to me when

1)Willy is by far the worst defensive big man on the team

2)kp is not a good defender, he tries to block every shot(resulting in wacking and hacking foul trouble every game) as oppose to disrupting a shot which is just as good(see camby) but he'll learn once a new coaching staff is in place.

3)THJ showed slight improvement on defense, but offense is his main stay, your not talking about defense 1st signing him

4)re-signing the 12th man on the roster as if he was the best defensive guard on the FA market

You remember when Isaiah Thomas said he wanted the roster to be athletic, fast, young, defensive minded(LIKE MILSS HAS STATED) as oppose to the stiffs that WERE already on the roster from layden, so he drafted ariza, traded for tim Thomas, and fransis, signed Crawford and curry and marbury..all those players fit the style of play he wanted. Chemistry wise, water and oil all day, and I MEAN ZERO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD.

The Knicks are rebuilding. They don't see themselves as being genuinely competitive for the remaining years of his contract. This is what teams do with veterans when the rebuilding, they move on.

The NBA, the NFL, MLB - this is totally commonplace.

Comparing Melo to those three players seems to miss the obvious - the Knicks envision them being around for more than 4 years.

Whether it's personal or not (I don't care either way) it's the right thing to do. Melos time here hasn't worked out. Utterly independent of who's fault that may or not may or not be it is time to move on, again as is typical in pro sports.

I guess my point was Melo's time here worked out a lot better when Mills wasn't running things. Has Mills' time in NY worked out? I am hoping that will this time but he has a track record here already.

Making it 'Mills vs Melo' is a fan thing and completely irrelevant. If I read a few months ago that Mills was being let go by the organization, I wouldn't have batted an eye. It would've been justifiable. But this is the Knicks and he's still here. Completely unrelated to that fact is it's time for the Knicks it move on from Melo.

That is the correct call regardless of whether it's Mills or someone else in his position.

LEADERSHIP is first and for most, then veterans, then you insert youth in any rebuilding process ( see the spurs) or any successful rebuild

The Spurs haven't rebuilt in a generation, literally.

were going backwards,

And that's why there will be changes. Veterans go first in a rebuild. No amount of ignoring that makes it any less true.

The discussion with melo should have been a dad/hoodie/melo role

I'm not quite sure what this 'hoodie melo' meme is. People are expecting a 13-year veteran to change his game based on some 30 second workout videos, really?

Sounds a lot like wishful thinking.

Melo is 33-year old, a center of gravity, high-volume, middle-of-the-road efficient, mid-range scorer, not terribly proficient or willing (during the majority of the second half of his career) passer, rebounder or defender.

You KNOW the Knicks are not genuinely competing with him over the next two years. Your sole argument seems to be that if the Knicks are not better than a 32-win team this season it either reflects poorly on KP or it negatively impacts KP, but I don't get the sense you really figured out which one it is yet. I think you may have them a little bit confused.

THE SPURS Rebuild or retool so smoothly you don't even realize (that the core is less than 5 yrs together), and that's because they continue to win in the process.

Rebuilding in the sports world is making significant changes after experiencing losing seasons and/or then expect to experience losing seasons. Like the sixers did, like Boston did when deciding to trade with the nets.

Next time the Knicks win 55 games in a row with for 5+ years we can adopt their methodology.

Oh, and popovich would help.

why are we not competing with a player like melo on your team.

I don't know. Explain the 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016, and 2016-2017 seasons to me?

your confusing winning, with contending for a title...i'll make a $500 bet with you that if this team is primarily healthy, and melo plays the yr out, we will make the playoffs

Ah, we've reached the "I'll bet you I'm right" stage of the conversation.

Tell you what, it's a bet!

stanleybostitch wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Smart people learn from their mistakes. It's what makes them smart. Mills has learned.

he's been making mistakes since he came here, and still hasn't learned a damn thing..

Like I said, rebuild starts with a new front office, how is giving a guy more control who was directly or indirectly responsible for the mess were in now and think things will change.

well we see how much of the triangle confusion is where much of the blame lies

knicks1248 wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sure Mills has been here for much of the disastrous years. I think he did learn a lot from the Phil years and it's been a good learning experience. Along with the bad has been some good and Mills is looking to build on the good and clean out the bad! The youth on the roster is part of the good that came out of the Phil Years!

Can't have it both ways! Mills HIRED Perry! The current stance is logical and the new additions are adding fresh blood to the mix. Mills made clear his vision and it makes sense. Now we have to see what his new team can get done. There's a good base to build on which Phil and Mills Haters refuse to acknowledge!

well this sounds as if your willing to give mills a clean slate despite yrs of bad service..

But when it comes to melo, that slate can't be clean?

Smart people learn from their mistakes. It's what makes them smart. Mills has learned.

he's been making mistakes since he came here, and still hasn't learned a damn thing..

Like I said, rebuild starts with a new front office, how is giving a guy more control who was directly or indirectly responsible for the mess were in now and think things will change.

well we see how much of the triangle confusion is where much of the blame lies

I think Mills did well in hiring Perry. They're being patient with the Melo situation. The roster should be improved. The vision is clear. At some point you have to actually stop wallowing in the past. Current events are more important.