Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

This is what you don't understand. There is no PAST when it comes to this stuff. The Civil War never ended for many in this country. They just continued the fight thru political and other means. The last 50 years is not long enough to have solved this country's problems. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968! That's not as long ago as some seem to think.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

This is what you don't understand. There is no PAST when it comes to this stuff. The Civil War never ended for many in this country. They just continued the fight thru political and other means. The last 50 years is not long enough to have solved this country's problems. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968! That's not as long ago as some seem to think.

For you it is not past but for all new emigrants who came last 100 years and are coming now it is distant past and past of some other culture.
It is no way to make them care about it. Sorry.

I admit I don't quite understand what your point is?

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

This is what you don't understand. There is no PAST when it comes to this stuff. The Civil War never ended for many in this country. They just continued the fight thru political and other means. The last 50 years is not long enough to have solved this country's problems. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968! That's not as long ago as some seem to think.

For you it is not past but for all new emigrants who came last 100 years and are coming now it is distant past and past of some other culture.
It is no way to make them care about it. Sorry.

I admit I don't quite understand what your point is?

My point is and was that no point to cry about spoiled milk.
The past is dead and the future is a dream.
The current moment is everything and is inevitable.
The only thing we can do is to do our part of the deal.
And if others are not doing theirs it is their problem.

Okay.

As of this moment we live in an inequitable system.

Starting today, how do we all fix that as soon as possible so all people enjoy the same rights and opportunities right away?

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

This is what you don't understand. There is no PAST when it comes to this stuff. The Civil War never ended for many in this country. They just continued the fight thru political and other means. The last 50 years is not long enough to have solved this country's problems. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968! That's not as long ago as some seem to think.

For you it is not past but for all new emigrants who came last 100 years and are coming now it is distant past and past of some other culture.
It is no way to make them care about it. Sorry.

I admit I don't quite understand what your point is?

My point is and was that no point to cry about spoiled milk.
The past is dead and the future is a dream.
The current moment is everything and is inevitable.
The only thing we can do is to do our part of the deal.
And if others are not doing theirs it is their problem.

Okay.

As of this moment we live in an inequitable system.

Starting today, how do we all fix that as soon as possible so all people enjoy the same rights and opportunities right away?

What exactly is the inequity?

Let's start with the easy ones - wealth and influence.

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5aae7c7f-1396-3ec2-913d-5229bae81fad/anti-fascist-stabs-innocent.html

Seriously--if people are going to attack you based on your haircut--the world is done. The anger I see coming out of a lot of people is over bearing and absurd. You cant vote the way you want and now you cant cut your hair the way you'd like--think about it???? Whether you agree with someone or not--where doesd it give ANYONE the right to commit violence??? If this guy didnt put his hand up--hes dead--because he cut his hair tight on the side?

The specifics of your outrage is telling. This idiot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of a law without question.

But in a week in which the Ku Klux Klan made clear they still exist in this country, in which neo-Nazis made it clear they still exist in this country (and want to do harm), in which a protester against these things was murdered, in which we learned right wing extremists are responsible for more more acts of domestic terrorism (including deadly) than any other group, this is a very odd place to draw the line about anger.

All of us need to look at the resurrection (or rather coming up to the surface) of hate groups of any kind very seriously.
The time when majority (white Americans) naturally became a minority in very dangerous.
White and African Americans are a part of the same American culture and the shift which is coming bringing in the cultures which are well more mature and adaptable.
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Chines are no doubt mesmerized looking at American political and cultural infantilism and will stay away from politics based on TV reality shows and politicians copied from same shows characters. It is all for the taking so why bother about locals who stack the heads in the sand of the past.

This is what you don't understand. There is no PAST when it comes to this stuff. The Civil War never ended for many in this country. They just continued the fight thru political and other means. The last 50 years is not long enough to have solved this country's problems. Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968! That's not as long ago as some seem to think.

For you it is not past but for all new emigrants who came last 100 years and are coming now it is distant past and past of some other culture.
It is no way to make them care about it. Sorry.

I admit I don't quite understand what your point is?

My point is and was that no point to cry about spoiled milk.
The past is dead and the future is a dream.
The current moment is everything and is inevitable.
The only thing we can do is to do our part of the deal.
And if others are not doing theirs it is their problem.

Okay.

As of this moment we live in an inequitable system.

Starting today, how do we all fix that as soon as possible so all people enjoy the same rights and opportunities right away?

What exactly is the inequity?

Let's start with the easy ones - wealth and influence.

There is no equality.
People have very different capacity and randomly presented with very different life situations...

For many people, there is nothing random about it, which is the whole point.

What can and should be equal is opportunity for happiness.
No wealth or influence are a guaranty for happiness.
Love, honesty, service, and knowledge are.
One can only find happiness within.
And if he does nothing can stand in his way.

Then can we take wealth and influence from those who have it and redistribute it, if for no other reason just to make society's "trains run on time?"

Given your views I can't imagine you'd object to that. Unless you mean it as a method to placate the people who have less...

It is not what world does to you - its what you do with the world.

Sounds like an argument for lawlessness. Why protect people from the actions of others? You're arguing it doesn't matter.

Gudris wrote:

TheGame wrote:African-American's make up roughly 18% of the population of the US. Yet, we have less than 1% of the wealth of the country. When African-Americans have 18% of the wealth in the country, 18% of the access to financing for business, 18% of the businesses in the country, 18% of the home ownership in this country, and a reduction in the prison population, then you can say there is equality. But as long as blacks have limited access to education, financing, and are disproportionately put in prison, there can be no equality in this country. Yet, we have a president who believes the big crisis in the country is to use the justice department to fight against white people being discriminated against. It is unbelievable.

This is BS, you get what you ask for, it is about culture and tradition how you raise your kids, majority of AA is raised to be outlaws, that is the main problem, start with your self, with your kids, and stop act like you are victims forever. Obama is AA, this is good goal for you how to act in society.

In my country we have 1% Gypsies, but they have 30% of prisoners, it is just because they are raised to steel and brake a law

I think it's useful to be reminded that ignorance about America isn't just limited to Americans.

Gudris wrote:

TheGame wrote:African-American's make up roughly 18% of the population of the US. Yet, we have less than 1% of the wealth of the country. When African-Americans have 18% of the wealth in the country, 18% of the access to financing for business, 18% of the businesses in the country, 18% of the home ownership in this country, and a reduction in the prison population, then you can say there is equality. But as long as blacks have limited access to education, financing, and are disproportionately put in prison, there can be no equality in this country. Yet, we have a president who believes the big crisis in the country is to use the justice department to fight against white people being discriminated against. It is unbelievable.

This is BS, you get what you ask for, it is about culture and tradition how you raise your kids, majority of AA is raised to be outlaws, that is the main problem, start with your self, with your kids, and stop act like you are victims forever. Obama is AA, this is good goal for you how to act in society.

In my country we have 1% Gypsies, but they have 30% of prisoners, it is just because they are raised to steel and brake a law

This is the most RACIST post I've ever seen on this Forum!!! MF'er you don't know SHYTE about African Americans!!!

You also have no F'n CLUE about why some AA's live the way they do! Before you spout your IGNORANT BS take the time to LEARN about the History of this country and also learn about how AA's were INTENTIONALLY kept uneducated for hundreds of years and then undereducated on purpose for over 100 more years into the modern era!!!

Learn about Redlining in Housing! Learn about discrimination in Hiring and Last Hired, First Fired! I could go on and on but more than that learn about how AA's fought through all of these things and managed to rise and contribute to MUCH of American Culture and Industry. Learn about the fact that despite being mistreated AA's fought for this country in every single War. There is MUCH for you to learn before making any further comments on this subject.

nixluva wrote:

Gudris wrote:

TheGame wrote:African-American's make up roughly 18% of the population of the US. Yet, we have less than 1% of the wealth of the country. When African-Americans have 18% of the wealth in the country, 18% of the access to financing for business, 18% of the businesses in the country, 18% of the home ownership in this country, and a reduction in the prison population, then you can say there is equality. But as long as blacks have limited access to education, financing, and are disproportionately put in prison, there can be no equality in this country. Yet, we have a president who believes the big crisis in the country is to use the justice department to fight against white people being discriminated against. It is unbelievable.

This is BS, you get what you ask for, it is about culture and tradition how you raise your kids, majority of AA is raised to be outlaws, that is the main problem, start with your self, with your kids, and stop act like you are victims forever. Obama is AA, this is good goal for you how to act in society.

In my country we have 1% Gypsies, but they have 30% of prisoners, it is just because they are raised to steel and brake a law

This is the most RACIST post I've ever seen on this Forum!!! MF'er you don't know SHYTE about African Americans!!!

You also have no F'n CLUE about why some AA's live the way they do! Before you spout your IGNORANT BS take the time to LEARN about the History of this country and also learn about how AA's were INTENTIONALLY kept uneducated for hundreds of years and then undereducated on purpose for over 100 more years into the modern era!!!

Learn about Redlining in Housing! Learn about discrimination in Hiring and Last Hired, First Fired! I could go on and on but more than that learn about how AA's fought through all of these things and managed to rise and contribute to MUCH of American Culture and Industry. Learn about the fact that despite being mistreated AA's fought for this country in every single War. There is MUCH for you to learn before making any further comments on this subject.

I agree with Nix that we outsiders cannot fully comprehend the conditions AA nation was developed in.
Taken from primitive tribal society where slavery was the way of live into more advances social settings but still as slaves is not an easy matter.
Most of the slaves were collected and sold by African tribes warlords as part of usual practice at this time (which lasted in some African countries until mid 20th century).
Being a slave in similar settings and in own land is quite different from being a slave in absolutely in-comprehensive environment.
Its like you will became a servant for Spiders from Mars.
They were brought in like tools and when the tools became useless just left broken and unwanted.
Its like Russian-speaking people who were forcefully moved by Soviets into Latvia and other occupied counties to enforce Russification.
And then after independence this people were deprived in rights and forced out into nowhere as retaliation for the sins they never committed.
Every nation has its own story and own pain which cannot be healed.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Gudris wrote:

TheGame wrote:African-American's make up roughly 18% of the population of the US. Yet, we have less than 1% of the wealth of the country. When African-Americans have 18% of the wealth in the country, 18% of the access to financing for business, 18% of the businesses in the country, 18% of the home ownership in this country, and a reduction in the prison population, then you can say there is equality. But as long as blacks have limited access to education, financing, and are disproportionately put in prison, there can be no equality in this country. Yet, we have a president who believes the big crisis in the country is to use the justice department to fight against white people being discriminated against. It is unbelievable.

This is BS, you get what you ask for, it is about culture and tradition how you raise your kids, majority of AA is raised to be outlaws, that is the main problem, start with your self, with your kids, and stop act like you are victims forever. Obama is AA, this is good goal for you how to act in society.

In my country we have 1% Gypsies, but they have 30% of prisoners, it is just because they are raised to steel and brake a law

This is the most RACIST post I've ever seen on this Forum!!! MF'er you don't know SHYTE about African Americans!!!

You also have no F'n CLUE about why some AA's live the way they do! Before you spout your IGNORANT BS take the time to LEARN about the History of this country and also learn about how AA's were INTENTIONALLY kept uneducated for hundreds of years and then undereducated on purpose for over 100 more years into the modern era!!!

Learn about Redlining in Housing! Learn about discrimination in Hiring and Last Hired, First Fired! I could go on and on but more than that learn about how AA's fought through all of these things and managed to rise and contribute to MUCH of American Culture and Industry. Learn about the fact that despite being mistreated AA's fought for this country in every single War. There is MUCH for you to learn before making any further comments on this subject.

I agree with Nix that we outsiders cannot fully comprehend the conditions AA nation was developed in.
Taken from primitive tribal society where slavery was the way of live into more advances social settings but still as slaves is not an easy matter.
Most of the slaves were collected and sold by African tribes warlords as part of usual practice at this time (which lasted in some African countries until mid 20th century).
Being a slave in similar settings and in own land is quite different from being a slave in absolutely in-comprehensive environment.
Its like you will became a servant for Spiders from Mars.
They were brought in like tools and when the tools became useless just left broken and unwanted.
Its like Russian-speaking people who were forcefully moved by Soviets into Latvia and other occupied counties to enforce Russification.
And then after independence this people were deprived in rights and forced out into nowhere as retaliation for the sins they never committed.
Every nation has its own story and own pain which cannot be healed.

OK! AGAIN NICE TRY BUT THIS IS MORE BS! You know NOTHING about the Kingdoms in Africa if you think they were Primitive! Slavery was not the same as practiced by the Europeans in the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Slavery in Africa

Slavery existed in Africa, but it was not the same type of slavery that the Europeans introduced. The European form was called chattel slavery. A chattel slave is a piece of property, with no rights. Slavery within Africa was different. A slave might be enslaved in order to pay off a debt or pay for a crime. Slaves in Africa lost the protection of their family and their place in society through enslavement. But eventually they or their children might become part of their master’s family and become free. This was unlike chattel slavery, in which enslaved Africans were slaves for life, as were their children and grandchildren.

The Europeans knew they were dealing with complex Societies. Remember there were advanced Kingdoms like the Mali Empire which included Timbuktu, which had Universities. They were looking for Africans skilled in various types of farming such as growth and Production of Indigo and Rice, which was very technical. Cattlemen. They also took artisans who worked in metals. They knew these people weren't savages.

The Atlantic Slave trade was dehumanizing and violent. By the time we get to 1865 at the end of the Civil War you talking about nearly 4 Million Illiterate AA's who own next to Nothing suddenly being set free into a hostile society. Then for another 100 years being segregated and kept in poverty. Having lower earnings and lower educational opportunities.

Even if you were smart enough you STILL couldn't attend the best universities. That was the case all the way thru the 1960's. So there's only been some sketchy improvements over the next few decades of the 70's, 80's, 90's etc. when you look at it this way it's clear that it hasn't been that long. I was born in 1965 I had my kids in 89, 90 & 92! THINK ABOUT THAT! Me and my kids are the only ones in 260 to 300 years my people have been here with anywhere approaching a fair shot to succeed. Things still aren't equal and some AA families were not as fortunate as mine.