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If we get "Hoodie" Melo this year we still keep Carmello?
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Jmpasq
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8/20/2017  8:30 PM
nixluva wrote:
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KP4Life wrote:What do you guys think? Is he worth keeping? He will kill the tank but if its at the expensive of making the playoffs why not?

Melo won't kill the tank, he will help us tank

Not necessarily...The east is weaker than last yr....With Melo, we may finish at the end of the lottery which is no mans land especially in this draft. The top of this yrs draft will be stronger than last yrs...The top 4 picks have a chance to be special players in this league....Melo kills our chances of landing top 4...

I don't believe this team is headed towards the Top 5 in the Lottery regardless if Melo stays or goes. I just don't think they'll play poorly enough to be in that group.

Minus Melo the emerging young talent will have much more touches and opportunity to step up. They'll be able to replace Melo's production IMO. With any team that has significant young talent there is going to be some internal growth. The Knicks likely will see some of that growth next season in addition to adding THJ, Beasley and Sessions. The team should be BETTER than last season. Melo or no Melo.


If they managed to get Harkless or Tobias Harris they would be a much better team
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8/20/2017  8:52 PM
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EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

I think he would of let him walk had we owned our draft picks, Pjax walked into a crap situation
I guess he played hardball with him when he got him to give up 5 mil.
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8/20/2017  10:14 PM
nixluva wrote:That may increase his trade value.


The only thing that will increase Melo's trade value is if he will waive the NTC for more team other than Houston. If he was willing to waive it for Portland, he'd be traded already.

He has in the past played team basketball. Usually though under a period to try to get someone fired or traded or cut or right after someone was fired or traded or cut at his behest to justify it. It would be one thing if he never played team ball ever because he simply could not do so from a mental/BBIQ/talent perspective. That would be one thing. The reality is he just doesn't care. If winning in incidental to his "Brand" and his own motives, I guess that's like a bonus thing for him.

He doesn't care and it truly violates what it should mean to put on a Knicks jersey and be part of a team. It should mean honor, teamwork, a commitment to winning, a commitment to be the best player you can be at all times. It should not be about trying to sell more stupid hats or cologne or cell phone chargers or whatever other crap he's trying to shove at people.

When the trade deadline comes, if he's still on the roster, he will start to play some team ball again. To try to push a more positive narrative to his declining skills, his lack of desire to win, his coach killing ways and his general lack of real leadership. And it's going to hurt the Knick future draft position. Because they'll start to generate some wins in a gutted Eastern conference against teams who are either tanking or resting their core guys for the playoffs or gutted from trades already. But not enough wins to take the 8th seed. Just enough at the end to try to justify a more positive spin on a player who doesn't care.

He's toxic to this roster. Keeping him is like staying in a bad marriage because it would "cost too much" to divorce or the "kids come first" If Ryan Anderson for three years is the cost of "divorce", then just do it. Melo is a negative asset that's depreciating and the longer the Knicks hold him, the more he will ball stop on Zinger and stay a media distraction and risk injury, where he'd opt in and give ANOTHER year of this crap. While Brett Favre had a decent run with the Jets, sort of, did anyone really want to go through year after year of "Will He? Won't He?" like he did in Green Bay? The idea of TWO FULL YEARS plus this past half season of "Will Melo Go?" is just toxic to this franchise.

The Jazz did it right. Win or lose, Deron Williams drove Jerry Sloan out. A part of their true legacy. So they handed Williams his plane ticket out and told him to pack his mother f**king trash and go. They didn't drag it out for years like watching Dwight Howard sap the soul out of Orlando or LBJ lap dancing and mocking Cleveland.

Sometimes a dude just needs to go. Even Don Mattingly got to a point where it was just easier to let him go.

Melo has proven he doesn't care about winning unless it's a byproduct of everything else he wants. Anyone who wants to push the narrative that he will leave a penny on the table or go to a city he doesn't want to go to just get out, I don't know what you dudes are smoking.

In this scenario, Melo is the "wife", the one with all the leverage because of the system in place ( guaranteed contract, NTC, trade kicker, talent scarcity based on height dependency in the talent pool, etc) The Knicks are "husband" ( hoping they invested long term in the right commitment, hoping the partner with the leverage will not turn toxic on them and gutting them in the process)

Melo, the "wife", decided to stop putting out ( acting like a leader), and stopped cooking and cleaning ( refused to play defense) and got fat ( coach killer and driving off any player with the sin of getting more media attention) and cheated ( refused to play team ball, to the detriment of everyone) and nagged to no end ( being consistently horrible and saying stupid thing after stupid thing in the press over time)

Do you stay with someone that toxic because you are worried about losing half your "retirement"? ( Taking on Ryan Anderson's three years) Or to keep the kids "happy" and stable? ( Losing the marketing pull Melo provides) Or just accepting the hell you know might be better than the hell you don't ( rationalizing why an anti team ball stopping shot jacker might change, when it's clear a cheating lying unfaithful whore is a worthless cum soaked thot trying to grab two fistfuls of gold coin on the way out. )

Sometimes I have to ask some Knick's fans - Where is your dignity?

Basic rule - Never treat someone like a priority who treats you like an option.
Basic rule 2 - If they don't respect you, ( mostly because they lack the character and capacity to even have basic respect) it's over before it's even started
Basic rule 3 - Thots and Tinder gutter trash mentalities never change. You can't wife up and ring up a whore and expect anything less than total destruction

Next the whore. There's the door. Pack your trash. You don't want to be here. You don't want to treat wearing that Knick jersey like an honor? Then like DWill, screw you and the horse you rode in on.

The Knicks as a franchise need to act with a little dignity here. Even at the end. You don't change a whore. You just send them packing.

B*tch gotta go.

Does it have to be harder than that?

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8/21/2017  8:09 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lets not forget even though Dolan said he took a step back, I wonder if it was a handshake agreement when Phil took over that Phil had to bring melo back at all cost.

No. That deal is on Phil. Dolan would have given Melo everything Phil did plus a full max.

I'm thinking that Phil understood the box office ramifications of Melo and perhaps Phil thought Melo would be more coachable.
After all, melo said all the right things about "Sacricificing" his game of the greater good. Blame is Dolan paid full retail for Melo, Knicks had few assets, missing 2 first round picks, and Melo is a fantastic outside shooter and has the tools for the Triangle. But..........We know the story from there. So yes, I do think there was an agreement about Melo upon Phil taking over.

Does it really matter who is to blame???

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8/21/2017  9:24 AM
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lets not forget even though Dolan said he took a step back, I wonder if it was a handshake agreement when Phil took over that Phil had to bring melo back at all cost.

No. That deal is on Phil. Dolan would have given Melo everything Phil did plus a full max.

I'm thinking that Phil understood the box office ramifications of Melo and perhaps Phil thought Melo would be more coachable.
After all, melo said all the right things about "Sacricificing" his game of the greater good. Blame is Dolan paid full retail for Melo, Knicks had few assets, missing 2 first round picks, and Melo is a fantastic outside shooter and has the tools for the Triangle. But..........We know the story from there. So yes, I do think there was an agreement about Melo upon Phil taking over.

Does it really matter who is to blame???

i think blame matters here. I think the Ntc and the trade kicker set the franchise back a year or two. Were thos compromises fro giving back 5 mil? I also know that Phil had autonomy. He was a master of messing stuff up as an exec. No way Melo gets less than the max if Dolan was involved. If Phil could pass a long blame for Melo's deal he would have already done it.
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8/25/2017  9:07 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lets not forget even though Dolan said he took a step back, I wonder if it was a handshake agreement when Phil took over that Phil had to bring melo back at all cost.

No. That deal is on Phil. Dolan would have given Melo everything Phil did plus a full max.

I'm thinking that Phil understood the box office ramifications of Melo and perhaps Phil thought Melo would be more coachable.
After all, melo said all the right things about "Sacricificing" his game of the greater good. Blame is Dolan paid full retail for Melo, Knicks had few assets, missing 2 first round picks, and Melo is a fantastic outside shooter and has the tools for the Triangle. But..........We know the story from there. So yes, I do think there was an agreement about Melo upon Phil taking over.

Does it really matter who is to blame???

i think blame matters here. I think the Ntc and the trade kicker set the franchise back a year or two. Were thos compromises fro giving back 5 mil? I also know that Phil had autonomy. He was a master of messing stuff up as an exec. No way Melo gets less than the max if Dolan was involved. If Phil could pass a long blame for Melo's deal he would have already done it.

What Phil didn't realize is he isn't coaching. When he gave Melo that contract he probably he could change Melo's game to fit triangle. That was Phil's ego right there. He didn't realize that Melo isn't committed to basketball as much as Kobe or Jordan. Melo is a laid back guy.

If we get "Hoodie" Melo this year we still keep Carmello?

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