meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:No, little grasshopper. We won't make the playoffs if Melo stays.
But if he leaves......

He needs to go for everyone involved. But the Knicks don't win much without him. 2-17 the last two years when he was out.

What teams have winning records with 30% of their salary cap not on the floor?

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

The Knicks had three runs where the triangle was emphasized. Fisher's first year(17-65), Rambis's run as head coach (9-19), and this past year at the end of February (6-15). That is a record of 32-99. The Knicks were 48-67 when they weren't emphasizing the triangle. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle was emphasized was 24%. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle wasn't the main emphasis was 42%. Those are just the numbers. Nothing fake. The Knicks should win more just by dropping the triangle.

The numbers are not fake. Comparing two completely different teams under completely different coaches and cherry picking the seasons that make your point is absite garbage.

Now these guys - KP and Melo - have all they wanted.

The fact that Melo still wants out after Phil, shows you his real intentions all along.
Phil was just smart enough to see it in advance, being a 11 time champion coach.
He saw that Melo never fully was invested in the program.

Think about this. Why would he stay a year, only to leave once Phil is gone? He allowed the media to spin it all about Phil pushing Melo out. Yet it has not been that. The reality is Melo knew his time was up a year ago. Instead of doing what's right and saying "trade me , build around Porzingis" he made it about his love for NY. His love for his son. His love for his family. I don't doubt for a second the dude loves NY and his family. But it was all a media game from his side. He was always open to moving to a contender. He just wanted it to look like Phil didn't win the battle or push him out. As a franchise, Melo is the perfect guy for us. He defines the exact problem with Dolan and our franchise. All about the star power, glamor, money and fame. No clue about winning. Melo is the perfect fit for that.

Why is he so hell bent on being a sidekick to CP3 and Harden, when he could not accept the same jumpshooting, spot up role Phil wanted from him? Why did he get so upset at something D'Antoni will also tell him to do (not hold the ball for lomg, shoot it or pass it fast) when it came from Phil?

Knicks fans who support Melo will be surprised to see how much better the communication, team work and chemistry of the team is when Melo is out. KP is an immature brat. His main reason for wanting to keep Melo around is to learn more 1 on 1 moves and how to score. Great, KP. Good for you individually. But how about the wins? You and Melo don't complement each other on offense or defense as dynamic duo. I know you once accused me of being Latvian, but I've lost major respect for KP. His most recent interview states his reasoning for Melo to stay. He wants to learn from him. Great, KP. Become an iso heavy, no defense, jumpshooting all-star who has little impact on team wins. Idiotc. Work on defense, KP. Work on your post game. Work on copying Dirk's moves. That will help you and the franchise more than trying to be a 7'3 Melo.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

The Knicks had three runs where the triangle was emphasized. Fisher's first year(17-65), Rambis's run as head coach (9-19), and this past year at the end of February (6-15). That is a record of 32-99. The Knicks were 48-67 when they weren't emphasizing the triangle. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle was emphasized was 24%. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle wasn't the main emphasis was 42%. Those are just the numbers. Nothing fake. The Knicks should win more just by dropping the triangle.

The numbers are not fake. Comparing two completely different teams under completely different coaches and cherry picking the seasons that make your point is absite garbage.

Roster continuity and coaching continuity was a big reason why the Knick front office was ranked at the bottom during Phil's tenure. The guy pushing the system that didn't work was the guy resetting the roster and changing coaches each year. Each roster won more when the triangle wasn't emphasized.

First off I was discussing with a different poster the merits of his perception that the triangle is to be blamed for all of Melo's failure. I pointed out to him that Melo had failed before and will fail after the triangle. Then you interjected with that complete bull**** comparison of winning percentages across completely dissimilar entities. And now you are trying to bait this discussion into your favorite topic so you can launch on another tirade of Phil hate. Good luck with that.

Melo might be here to start the season, and get traded at the first deadline. New players to incorporate into the lineup. Hard to tell where things will go.

Playoffs would be a great experience for the younger players, rooks. Establishing something that can be carried into next season, without another reset is more important IMO.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

The Knicks had three runs where the triangle was emphasized. Fisher's first year(17-65), Rambis's run as head coach (9-19), and this past year at the end of February (6-15). That is a record of 32-99. The Knicks were 48-67 when they weren't emphasizing the triangle. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle was emphasized was 24%. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle wasn't the main emphasis was 42%. Those are just the numbers. Nothing fake. The Knicks should win more just by dropping the triangle.

The numbers are not fake. Comparing two completely different teams under completely different coaches and cherry picking the seasons that make your point is absite garbage.

Roster continuity and coaching continuity was a big reason why the Knick front office was ranked at the bottom during Phil's tenure. The guy pushing the system that didn't work was the guy resetting the roster and changing coaches each year. Each roster won more when the triangle wasn't emphasized.

First off I was discussing with a different poster the merits of his perception that the triangle is to be blamed for all of Melo's failure. I pointed out to him that Melo had failed before and will fail after the triangle. Then you interjected with that complete bull**** comparison of winning percentages across completely dissimilar entities. And now you are trying to bait this discussion into your favorite topic so you can launch on another tirade of Phil hate. Good luck with that.

Why did you edit the thread? The conversation was about the system management wanted in place versus the coaching staff and players. Did you edit out the context of why I responded because you wanted to spin it into something it wasn't? I know what you were talking about but the other poster was talking about the team and the coaching staff in regards to the system. You left that out when you edited.

Fisher, Hornacek, Melo all signed contracts knowing what system the team was going to run as did every FA. If they didn't want to run the triangle why did they sign long term contracts with the Knicks?

Phil brought in JH in order to modernize it which goes against the narrative that he was just some old stubborn tyrant. JH after the season was quoted stating how they should have went all in on the triangle but because they were trying to mix and match between modern and triangle it caused confusion.

KP was quoted stating that he believed the triangle would work but players didn't buy in because they are stuck in their ways after playing in the league for so long and developing their habits.

Arguably one of the Knicks best games of the season with 9 games left.

As you can see the main difference is strictly effort, willingness to pass the ball, and effort on defense. Knicks had 26 team assist and 13stls. The triangle is only used as a scapegoat to hid the fact that players weren't willing to play with that type of unselfishness and effort game in and game out. While some of the looks were based off of designed curl plays, and some picks. A lot of the assist and ball movement was simply making a read and having a willingness to look for an open man and pass the ball for an easy look.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

The Knicks had three runs where the triangle was emphasized. Fisher's first year(17-65), Rambis's run as head coach (9-19), and this past year at the end of February (6-15). That is a record of 32-99. The Knicks were 48-67 when they weren't emphasizing the triangle. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle was emphasized was 24%. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle wasn't the main emphasis was 42%. Those are just the numbers. Nothing fake. The Knicks should win more just by dropping the triangle.

The numbers are not fake. Comparing two completely different teams under completely different coaches and cherry picking the seasons that make your point is absite garbage.

Roster continuity and coaching continuity was a big reason why the Knick front office was ranked at the bottom during Phil's tenure. The guy pushing the system that didn't work was the guy resetting the roster and changing coaches each year. Each roster won more when the triangle wasn't emphasized.

First off I was discussing with a different poster the merits of his perception that the triangle is to be blamed for all of Melo's failure. I pointed out to him that Melo had failed before and will fail after the triangle. Then you interjected with that complete bull**** comparison of winning percentages across completely dissimilar entities. And now you are trying to bait this discussion into your favorite topic so you can launch on another tirade of Phil hate. Good luck with that.

Why did you edit the thread? The conversation was about the system management wanted in place versus the coaching staff and players. Did you edit out the context of why I responded because you wanted to spin it into something it wasn't? I know what you were talking about but the other poster was talking about the team and the coaching staff in regards to the system. You left that out when you edited.

Fisher, Hornacek, Melo all signed contracts knowing what system the team was going to run as did every FA. If they didn't want to run the triangle why did they sign long term contracts with the Knicks?

Phil brought in JH in order to modernize it which goes against the narrative that he was just some old stubborn tyrant. JH after the season was quoted stating how they should have went all in on the triangle but because they were trying to mix and match between modern and triangle it caused confusion.

KP was quoted stating that he believed the triangle would work but players didn't buy in because they are stuck in their ways after playing in the league for so long and developing their habits.

Arguably one of the Knicks best games of the season with 9 games left.

As you can see the main difference is strictly effort, willingness to pass the ball, and effort on defense. Knicks had 26 team assist and 13stls. The triangle is only used as a scapegoat to hid the fact that players weren't willing to play with that type of unselfishness and effort game in and game out. While some of the looks were based off of designed curl plays, and some picks. A lot of the assist and ball movement was simply making a read and having a willingness to look for an open man and pass the ball for an easy look.

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't quite understand it.
First it was Phil.
Now Phil is gone, it's still a problem and dysfunction?

Now these guys - KP and Melo - have all they wanted.

The fact that Melo still wants out after Phil, shows you his real intentions all along.
Phil was just smart enough to see it in advance, being a 11 time champion coach.
He saw that Melo never fully was invested in the program.

Think about this. Why would he stay a year, only to leave once Phil is gone? He allowed the media to spin it all about Phil pushing Melo out. Yet it has not been that. The reality is Melo knew his time was up a year ago. Instead of doing what's right and saying "trade me , build around Porzingis" he made it about his love for NY. His love for his son. His love for his family. I don't doubt for a second the dude loves NY and his family. But it was all a media game from his side. He was always open to moving to a contender. He just wanted it to look like Phil didn't win the battle or push him out. As a franchise, Melo is the perfect guy for us. He defines the exact problem with Dolan and our franchise. All about the star power, glamor, money and fame. No clue about winning. Melo is the perfect fit for that.

Why is he so hell bent on being a sidekick to CP3 and Harden, when he could not accept the same jumpshooting, spot up role Phil wanted from him? Why did he get so upset at something D'Antoni will also tell him to do (not hold the ball for lomg, shoot it or pass it fast) when it came from Phil?

Knicks fans who support Melo will be surprised to see how much better the communication, team work and chemistry of the team is when Melo is out. KP is an immature brat. His main reason for wanting to keep Melo around is to learn more 1 on 1 moves and how to score. Great, KP. Good for you individually. But how about the wins? You and Melo don't complement each other on offense or defense as dynamic duo. I know you once accused me of being Latvian, but I've lost major respect for KP. His most recent interview states his reasoning for Melo to stay. He wants to learn from him. Great, KP. Become an iso heavy, no defense, jumpshooting all-star who has little impact on team wins. Idiotc. Work on defense, KP. Work on your post game. Work on copying Dirk's moves. That will help you and the franchise more than trying to be a 7'3 Melo.

Wrong. What is the reason he wants out? Hint the organization is still a laughing stock and has no clue. Hint. The same snake like puppet is still here and now Prez. Hint. They are going into a full rebuild. Melo has always said that if they told them they are going in that direction, he would want out. What don't you get? But yeah, you make it all about your non-fact based perception.

The only thing Phil was smart about was that the NY Knicks would starphuck and pay him his golden parachute.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:I thought the team would make the playoffs last year and we are essentially the same. I think Phil and the triangle was a big factor in the losses. I can see the team making the playoffs with Melo. We might as well try to make the playoffs (as long as we still give minutes to the young guys).

Right, and this year it will be Hornacek's offense and Mills/Perry, the ghost of Isiah Thomas, Powerball lottery numbers, fake news on CNN and #COVFEFE that makes it impossible for poor Melo to make it to the playoffs.

The point I was making is that it is hard when the players and coach are forced to run a system that neither wanted. This year they can run a modern offense and they will not have all the distractions Phil caused. They still have to put in the work and I certainly am not suggesting that the playoffs are guaranteed. I just think the team does have enough talent to make it to the playoffs if Jeff can get them to play some semblance of defense.

So last year neither coach nor players wanted to run the triangle at least according to you. Porzingis clearly said he wanted it and Hornacek said he and Phil were mostly on the same page. Now this year slow ass clock wasting blackhole will suddenly approve of a fast paced motion offense and he will let Hornacek influence him to play defense something her failed to do last year. Ok, so this year it will be different.

The Knicks had three runs where the triangle was emphasized. Fisher's first year(17-65), Rambis's run as head coach (9-19), and this past year at the end of February (6-15). That is a record of 32-99. The Knicks were 48-67 when they weren't emphasizing the triangle. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle was emphasized was 24%. The winning percentage for the team when the triangle wasn't the main emphasis was 42%. Those are just the numbers. Nothing fake. The Knicks should win more just by dropping the triangle.

The numbers are not fake. Comparing two completely different teams under completely different coaches and cherry picking the seasons that make your point is absite garbage.

Roster continuity and coaching continuity was a big reason why the Knick front office was ranked at the bottom during Phil's tenure. The guy pushing the system that didn't work was the guy resetting the roster and changing coaches each year. Each roster won more when the triangle wasn't emphasized.

First off I was discussing with a different poster the merits of his perception that the triangle is to be blamed for all of Melo's failure. I pointed out to him that Melo had failed before and will fail after the triangle. Then you interjected with that complete bull**** comparison of winning percentages across completely dissimilar entities. And now you are trying to bait this discussion into your favorite topic so you can launch on another tirade of Phil hate. Good luck with that.

Why did you edit the thread? The conversation was about the system management wanted in place versus the coaching staff and players. Did you edit out the context of why I responded because you wanted to spin it into something it wasn't? I know what you were talking about but the other poster was talking about the team and the coaching staff in regards to the system. You left that out when you edited.

WTF are you blabbering about? I didn't edit any thread(that I know of). I was talking to TheGame about the Triangle being used as an excuse for Melo's multiple failures, before we were rudely interrupted with your usual bull**** about Phil.

Yeah, you took out the quotes that I was responding to and started with my quote. Stay classy.

If I accidentally left something out, my bad.

You go around asking people to identify with people who used to post here before and post here now and imply they use double identities and now you are asking others to be classy?

Please save your self righteous indignation crap for someone who cares.