Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Do you even watch basketball?

Yeah I actually made an argument. I get the feel all you do is plug Melo's PPG into houstons stats.

In 2017 Melo had the 3rd most iso plays per game in the NBA despite not being very efficient. This is something his coaches have gotten on him about that he is not going to change as he will turn 34 years old this upcoming season.

75% of Melo's 3s are assisted. 1/3 of his 2s are assisted. A HUGE part of Melo's offense is catch and shoot, and probably his best. The bold above and suggesting that playing Harden/CP3 doesnt make Melo better is clear evidence you have no clue what your talking about. Not that we really needed it.. but feel free to take a look at Melo's Olympics. He's played 80+ games for team USA. Thats a whole NBA season worth of data where we see that Melo is one of the best catch and shoot players. Like ever.

Yet he has no interest in playing a catch and shoot game.

What do you think Mike D, Karl and Phil had problems with Melo about. I'll save the mystery because we have a direct quote:

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "That's a perfect spot for him, to be in that isolated position on the weak side. Because it's an overload offense and there's a weak-side man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.
"Carmelo, a lot of times, wants to hold the ball longer than -- we have a rule, if you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold the ball for three, four, five seconds, then everybody comes to a stop. That is one of the things we work with. But he has adjusted to it, he knows what it can do and he's willing to see its success."

This isn't the Olympics where the talent discrepancy is gigantic. It's a different game.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Do you even watch basketball?

Yeah I actually made an argument. I get the feel all you do is plug Melo's PPG into houstons stats.

In 2017 Melo had the 3rd most iso plays per game in the NBA despite not being very efficient. This is something his coaches have gotten on him about that he is not going to change as he will turn 34 years old this upcoming season.

75% of Melo's 3s are assisted. 1/3 of his 2s are assisted. A HUGE part of Melo's offense is catch and shoot, and probably his best. The bold above and suggesting that playing Harden/CP3 doesnt make Melo better is clear evidence you have no clue what your talking about. Not that we really needed it.. but feel free to take a look at Melo's Olympics. He's played 80+ games for team USA. Thats a whole NBA season worth of data where we see that Melo is one of the best catch and shoot players. Like ever.

Yet he has no interest in playing a catch and shoot game.

What do you think Mike D, Karl and Phil had problems with Melo about. I'll save the mystery because we have a direct quote:

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "That's a perfect spot for him, to be in that isolated position on the weak side. Because it's an overload offense and there's a weak-side man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.
"Carmelo, a lot of times, wants to hold the ball longer than -- we have a rule, if you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold the ball for three, four, five seconds, then everybody comes to a stop. That is one of the things we work with. But he has adjusted to it, he knows what it can do and he's willing to see its success."

This isn't the Olympics where the talent discrepancy is gigantic. It's a different game.

again the bold. Your just wrong. 42% of his shots made last year were catch and shoot. That was with the Knicks PGs. Playing with Harden/CP3 doesnt impact that? Dude just stop typing. Your making **** up.

If Carmelo were an effective catch and shoot player, Phil Jackson would still be here.

Carmelo Anthony had the 3rd most Iso plays per game last season. James Harden was #1 by a good margin. Then you have Chris Paul who needs the ball to be in his hands to be most effective. If you don't get the point by now, you'll see if they actually team up.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

TLover wrote:Clint Capela is the perfect compliment to KP (sorry Willy). He is a rebounding defensive presence at 23yrs old.. I know he's a big part of what Houston does but oh well if you want Melo we need this dude back plus an unprotected 1st rounder. Even if we have to keep Ryan Anderson for a little while.
Heck we can have Willy & Ryan Anderson backing up Clint & KP.. not bad at all.

I would take on R.Anderson and his contract easily if we could get Capela and a 1st round pick with him but Capela means too much to Houston for them to include him in the trade IMO.

How many minutes is Capela going to play here? He'll take most of Willy's minutes? Does Noah become a $70 mil backup backup center? Or is he the backup center and Willy gets DNPs? And we haven't even gotten to KOQ. It just doesn't make sense.

KOQ would most likely have to be included in the Houston deal and Capela would be trade bait at the deadline. He could help a good team greatly as a big man who can defend and rebound.

fitzfarm wrote:A trade of Gordon,ariza,capela and the rights to llull works strait up for melo

If I'm the knicks that's my take it or leave it offer

So long as the Knicks are prepared to either buyout Melo or play him when the season starts, that's fine.

Understand I'm not advocating they settle for less, but that is effectively a non-starter. It is not a strategy to actually receive those players in return, which will not occur.

newyorknewyork wrote:IMO Capela is very replaceable for MDA and his system. A defensive athletic finisher can be found and had and boosted by MDA's system. They signed Tarik Black who will serve the same role and could step up if given the same opportunity within that role as he fits that mold.

By this logic, Capela shouldn't have much value, if he's simply an easily-replaceable product of a system.

HofstraBBall wrote:As lomg as we dont get another weighted contract, you have to take anything offered. And if that does happen, you have to take Anderson. Who I don't like, . It will be the cost of moving on from Knicks management mishandling a player. Both in the press and by giving him a NTC.

Why is Anderson in 2019-2020 better than a release/buyout?

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:IMO Capela is very replaceable for MDA and his system. A defensive athletic finisher can be found and had and boosted by MDA's system. They signed Tarik Black who will serve the same role and could step up if given the same opportunity within that role as he fits that mold.

By this logic, Capela shouldn't have much value, if he's simply an easily-replaceable product of a system.

Morey wouldn't be fulfilling his GM duties though if he was willing to give away Capela so easily even if it was the case.

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:IMO Capela is very replaceable for MDA and his system. A defensive athletic finisher can be found and had and boosted by MDA's system. They signed Tarik Black who will serve the same role and could step up if given the same opportunity within that role as he fits that mold.

By this logic, Capela shouldn't have much value, if he's simply an easily-replaceable product of a system.

Morey wouldn't be fulfilling his GM duties though if he was willing to give away Capela so easily even if it was the case.

Indeed.

But it still suggests his value in negligible.

It depends. If they can use him to upgrade other positions then I think they should go for it. I think they can find players who does what he does easier then finding other pieces. He isn't a dominant rebounder or shot blocker. He is a horrible ft shooter and shooter in general. His 65 fg% and 63 ts% are mostly due to dunks that were created by Harden's playmaking and put backs.

He is a good athletic defensive player who MDA maximizes his offensive contributions by getting him dunks off the PNR.

RonRon wrote:Like it or not, we are selling CA at 50 cents to the dolla, we have to realize that with all the drama the Knicks have had with CA the past seasons and our "youth" movement...
It would cause drama and kill chemistry if he stays

Then hold out for something, anything positive, and if by October nothing materializes, release him. '

Easy peasy.