Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

Actually that is on purpose and that probably has more to do with you not know the history of the league extending passed the millennium. The idea of players having a say like Melo does with the Knicks was unheard of in the past so the idea of me having to bring up someone from the 60s or 70s here shows your ignorance more than anything.

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo is actually a great fit for the Blazers.

Blazers w/ Melo > Rockets w/ Melo

Blazers jump the Rockets despite having added Paul?

That's a big impact for a mediocre player.

The Rockets team is a clumsy fit. Especially clumsy when they add Melo. They are more talented but so what. If talent alone won championships then Steve Nash would have a ring along with Dwight Howard from their Laker days.

Lillard/McCollum/Harkless/Melo/Nurkic with Crabbe on the bench is as good as any team not the Warriors in the West. Right there with San Antonio imo. Lillard could be an MVP contender and that's an elite and balanced supporting cast.

I wasn't arguing.

I was pointing out you seem more in line with Lillard and McCollum that Melo would significantly impact their line-up for the better.

Portand won 41 games last year. Spurs won 61. Rockets won 55 (without Paul)

That's a huge leap you're mainly placing on Melo's addition.

I'm not arguing your conclusion.

Just seems inconsistent with someone who holds the belief he is a mediocre player and locker room cancer.

Can you explain the seeming inconsistency?

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

He had an opt out and at age 27 was in the prime of a very good career. He had leverage to say "Im leaving, you can trade me now and get a good return".
At age 33 he is still a good player, but knicks are moving in a different direction and he has leverage to say "I'll go, but its my choice where".
The noise this creates is ones personal view of Melo.

Melo's peers are CP3, Bron, Wade.

We can only hope that somehow Lillard/CJ can keep pinging Melo and get to his ego in order to change his mind but it doesn't seem likely (at all) to me that he chooses Portland.

LivingLegend wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo is actually a great fit for the Blazers.

Blazers w/ Melo > Rockets w/ Melo

Blazers jump the Rockets despite having added Paul?

That's a big impact for a mediocre player.

The Rockets team is a clumsy fit. Especially clumsy when they add Melo. They are more talented but so what. If talent alone won championships then Steve Nash would have a ring along with Dwight Howard from their Laker days.

Lillard/McCollum/Harkless/Melo/Nurkic with Crabbe on the bench is as good as any team not the Warriors in the West. Right there with San Antonio imo. Lillard could be an MVP contender and that's an elite and balanced supporting cast.

I don't see it that way. Rockets have CP3/Harden to be primary (elite) ball handlers -- they would have Melo/Gordon to act as snipers (scorers) and depending who they do/don't move they would have the likes of Ariza/Mbah a Moute/PJ Tucker and young big in Capella to do the energy/dirty work.

I just don't see a big upside to the Rockets compared to last season. I think the fit is clumsy. Harden/CP3/Melo are in the starting line up and all need the ball in their hands the bulk of the time to do their special skills.

Blazers just need to get healthy. They are different team when Nurkic is healthy. He has an upside that is insane. You have a legimate MVP contender at the point, a legitimate all star level player at SG, Crabbe on the bench and Harkless as a quality SF. I would see all the makings of a team ready to take it to the next level if they can get an all star level wing. But they are also in a tough position because their spending is out of control. They can't make a signing to get to the next level so they need to get crafty now with trades.

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:I would see all the makings of a team ready to take it to the next level if they can get an all star level wing.

But what if they get a mediocre wing?

This is your problem. You get too emotional about these types of statements because you are a melo fan boy. When I used the word mediocre with Melo it meant in comparison to Lebron, Prime Kobe, MJ.

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:I would see all the makings of a team ready to take it to the next level if they can get an all star level wing.

But what if they get a mediocre wing?

This is your problem. You get too emotional about these types of statements because you are a melo fan boy. When I used the word mediocre with Melo it meant in comparison to Lebron, Prime Kobe, MJ.

That's fair.

Melo isn't nearly as good as them.

No argument.

Strange way to phrase it, but no argument.

Sinix wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

Actually that is on purpose and that probably has more to do with you not know the history of the league extending passed the millennium. The idea of players having a say like Melo does with the Knicks was unheard of in the past so the idea of me having to bring up someone from the 60s or 70s here shows your ignorance more than anything.

Let me repeat your statement: "No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime." Other than those three, Melo has had more say than any other player in league history with his organization? Really?

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

Actually that is on purpose and that probably has more to do with you not know the history of the league extending passed the millennium. The idea of players having a say like Melo does with the Knicks was unheard of in the past so the idea of me having to bring up someone from the 60s or 70s here shows your ignorance more than anything.

When did you start following the NBA?

Let me repeat your statement: "No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime." Other than those three, Melo has had more say than any other player in league history with his organization? Really?

No, my statement was that no one around Melo's talent/achievement level has ever had so much privilege within an organization. That privilege is usually reserved for someone as good near as impactful as Lebron and that ain't Melo.

Sinix wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

Actually that is on purpose and that probably has more to do with you not know the history of the league extending passed the millennium. The idea of players having a say like Melo does with the Knicks was unheard of in the past so the idea of me having to bring up someone from the 60s or 70s here shows your ignorance more than anything.

When did you start following the NBA?

Let me repeat your statement: "No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime." Other than those three, Melo has had more say than any other player in league history with his organization? Really?

No, my statement was that no one around Melo's talent/achievement level has ever had so much privilege within an organization. That privilege is usually reserved for someone as good near as impactful as Lebron and that ain't Melo.

More players in the NBA have had NTCs and trade kickers.

It is hardly exclusive to LBJ.