Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Relationships are relationships.

Melos married to us with a contract. When one of your leaders acts like this it effects the whole household.

I know, I had bad apple employees like him at one time and it's true they are literally cancerous. Just like a woman in a relationship dating around is the same type of toxic.

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Relationships are relationships.

Melos married to us with a contract. When one of your leaders acts like this it effects the whole household.

I know, I had bad apple employees like him at one time and it's true they are literally cancerous. Just like a woman in a relationship dating around is the same type of toxic.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Relationships are relationships.

Melos married to us with a contract. When one of your leaders acts like this it effects the whole household.

I know, I had bad apple employees like him at one time and it's true they are literally cancerous. Just like a woman in a relationship dating around is the same type of toxic.

You must have a great marriage.

I'm guessing you look the other way when your wife talks about wanting a shot at that guy she knows that's richer and better looking than you. That seems to be your standard when someone has a potentially better situation available to them.

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

you think melo played selfish last yr, but played dadmelo the yr before. Who else on the knicks played selfish?

Here's a better question, HOW MANY KNICKS PLAYERS SHOT ABOVE 42%?

Here's a even better question, if you're playing in the streets 3 on 3, and the other 2 guys are shooting wide open bricks, will you keep passing them the ball no matter what?

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

you think melo played selfish last yr, but played dadmelo the yr before. Who else on the knicks played selfish, did will play selfish.

Here's a better question, HOW MANY KNICKS PLAYERS SHOT ABOVE 42%?

Here's a even better question, if you're playing in the streets 3 on 3, and the other 2 guys are shooting wide open bricks, will you keep passing them the ball no matter what?

It doesn't matter how good Melo is, not that he's that great anymore, he's not the right personality to build with. No matter how good he is, with his attitude being the way it is, it effects the rest of the team very negatively for the long term.

Young players learn it doesn't matter if they pass the ball or play defense because they learned from Melo as long as they get their 42%, the rest of the team and organization be damned. That's what we mean when we refer to a player being a cancer. It can be a very productive player that's a cancer, but a cancer that will rot the host eventually all the same.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Relationships are relationships.

Melos married to us with a contract. When one of your leaders acts like this it effects the whole household.

I know, I had bad apple employees like him at one time and it's true they are literally cancerous. Just like a woman in a relationship dating around is the same type of toxic.

You must have a great marriage.

I'm guessing you look the other way when your wife talks about wanting a shot at that guy she knows that's richer and better looking than you. That seems to be your standard when someone has a potentially better situation available to them.

sounds like its something your used to dealing with. Most people in good marriages arent constantly on the look out for an upgrade, but most of us here (in life) understand that. Most also understand that improving your employment situation is not the same as improving your domestic or marital situation. There is no relationship there at all. You are continuing to establish exactly where you are coming from. It sounds lonely.

My position is that 'relationships are relationships' in other words relationships are all the same at their core and I think I've provided some good evidence of that. But lets have you come to the answer yourself-

Go further with your logic. "Most people in good marriages arent constantly on the look out for an upgrade". Explain why. There's a reason. And once you write out the logic for your reason you will understand why it is the same toxic for any leader of a team whether the team is a friendship, marriage, basketball group or w/e to be talking about and pushing to upgrade themselves.

Allanfan20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Relationships are relationships.

Melos married to us with a contract. When one of your leaders acts like this it effects the whole household.

I know, I had bad apple employees like him at one time and it's true they are literally cancerous. Just like a woman in a relationship dating around is the same type of toxic.

You must have a great marriage.

I'm guessing you look the other way when your wife talks about wanting a shot at that guy she knows that's richer and better looking than you. That seems to be your standard when someone has a potentially better situation available to them.

sounds like its something your used to dealing with. Most people in good marriages arent constantly on the look out for an upgrade, but most of us here (in life) understand that. Most also understand that improving your employment situation is not the same as improving your domestic or marital situation. There is no relationship there at all. You are continuing to establish exactly where you are coming from. It sounds lonely.

And MOST jobs aren't even based on contracts. You can leave when you want for any reason and you can also get fired for most reasons. If you make 50k a year and you get an offer to make 70k and work fewer days and recieve greater benefits but refuse because you are loyal then you are both stupid and irresponsible.

But we're talking specifically about a contract based job. Melo has specific contractual obligations that are inherently amoral if he does not honor the spirit of them.

For example talking about ball movement and embracing the triangle then taking every chance to undermine it then get traded to a more fortunate team, that's amoral. That's a lack of loyalty. It's disrespectful to the Knicks management and fans.

I understand Melo looking out for his best interest. Doesn't mean I have to like or respect it.

The correct metaphor in your example is if someone signed a 50k a year job for a number of years then got a 70k offer. But the person signed the contract for the 50k for a number of years. Instead of honoring the contract and doing good work, they start acting up behaviorally and become less productive in efforts to get fired. They are trying to do everything to get out of their contract they signed with you by dishonoring the spirit of it. In this case you should be pissed as the original employer and that employee has poor personal ethics.