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7/18/2017  7:51 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

I'm guessing that Gaines and Rambis will be retained unless they chose not to be part of the team. Jeff and Rambis seem to get along just fine. Unless JEFF decides he doesn't want Rambis I can't imagine Petty or Mills telling Jeff he has to fire him.

As for Gaines he's no doubt made his value clear to Mills who has to have worked with him closely over the years. I can't imagine that Gaines Scouting Skills would suddenly not be useful. Gaines is a PURE BASKETBALL man. He's not just a Triangle Scout, which is nonsense anyway.

Gaines is a SCOUT PERIOD!!! He kept scouting even when he wasn't with any particular team. It's who he is.

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7/18/2017  8:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
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fishmike wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

Right, I don't know what I am talking about. Except I see you post a gazillion articles and mounting witch hunt after witch hunt on everyone who dares to disagree with your precious Melo. I have no position on Rambis, I just don't think he is "toxic". There's only one person that's toxic in the locker room. That's the one who chews out young players for expressing an opinion he is not aligned with. Yep THAT ONE.

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7/18/2017  8:10 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

I'm guessing that Gaines and Rambis will be retained unless they chose not to be part of the team. Jeff and Rambis seem to get along just fine. Unless JEFF decides he doesn't want Rambis I can't imagine Petty or Mills telling Jeff he has to fire him.

As for Gaines he's no doubt made his value clear to Mills who has to have worked with him closely over the years. I can't imagine that Gaines Scouting Skills would suddenly not be useful. Gaines is a PURE BASKETBALL man. He's not just a Triangle Scout, which is nonsense anyway.

Gaines is a SCOUT PERIOD!!! He kept scouting even when he wasn't with any particular team. It's who he is.

I hope you are right about Gaines. Jeff and Rambis were an odd pair last year. The previous head coach was placed on the staff of the current head coach by the pres as the associate head coach. I hope I am surprised by Jeff and if he is still around Kurt. I don't think resetting after last year with the players will be easy.
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7/18/2017  10:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

I'm guessing that Gaines and Rambis will be retained unless they chose not to be part of the team. Jeff and Rambis seem to get along just fine. Unless JEFF decides he doesn't want Rambis I can't imagine Petty or Mills telling Jeff he has to fire him.

As for Gaines he's no doubt made his value clear to Mills who has to have worked with him closely over the years. I can't imagine that Gaines Scouting Skills would suddenly not be useful. Gaines is a PURE BASKETBALL man. He's not just a Triangle Scout, which is nonsense anyway.

Gaines is a SCOUT PERIOD!!! He kept scouting even when he wasn't with any particular team. It's who he is.

I hope you are right about Gaines. Jeff and Rambis were an odd pair last year. The previous head coach was placed on the staff of the current head coach by the pres as the associate head coach. I hope I am surprised by Jeff and if he is still around Kurt. I don't think resetting after last year with the players will be easy.

Gaines is a SCOUT who can judge talent PERIOD. He's not out here focused on Triangle as people think. Multi Skilled, Smart, Physical Talent, Hustle and Tenacity etc. Gaines looks at all factors and if you read any of his Scouting Reports you'd know that he's legit.

I don't believe Jeff was forced to keep Rambis. Rambis is an assistant and he's been a good one for many years. Jeff seems to be just fine with his staff at this point. We'll see if there are any changes but I think he values Rambis. I think the issues weren't with the young players that are returning. I believe the Rambis issues were with the Vets and I also don't think there's any issues with KP and Jeff.

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7/18/2017  10:48 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

I'm guessing that Gaines and Rambis will be retained unless they chose not to be part of the team. Jeff and Rambis seem to get along just fine. Unless JEFF decides he doesn't want Rambis I can't imagine Petty or Mills telling Jeff he has to fire him.

As for Gaines he's no doubt made his value clear to Mills who has to have worked with him closely over the years. I can't imagine that Gaines Scouting Skills would suddenly not be useful. Gaines is a PURE BASKETBALL man. He's not just a Triangle Scout, which is nonsense anyway.

Gaines is a SCOUT PERIOD!!! He kept scouting even when he wasn't with any particular team. It's who he is.

I hope you are right about Gaines. Jeff and Rambis were an odd pair last year. The previous head coach was placed on the staff of the current head coach by the pres as the associate head coach. I hope I am surprised by Jeff and if he is still around Kurt. I don't think resetting after last year with the players will be easy.

Gaines is a SCOUT who can judge talent PERIOD. He's not out here focused on Triangle as people think. Multi Skilled, Smart, Physical Talent, Hustle and Tenacity etc. Gaines looks at all factors and if you read any of his Scouting Reports you'd know that he's legit.

I don't believe Jeff was forced to keep Rambis. Rambis is an assistant and he's been a good one for many years. Jeff seems to be just fine with his staff at this point. We'll see if there are any changes but I think he values Rambis. I think the issues weren't with the young players that are returning. I believe the Rambis issues were with the Vets and I also don't think there's any issues with KP and Jeff.


I know Gaines is a fantastic scout. I just shared Berman's speculation. I am not sure where Rambis stands with Jeff. I was surprised he was on staff in Orlando but maybe Jeff wants Kurt on his staff.
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Im not sure once a triangle guy always a triangle guy. Its not like "oh, dude is circumsized, he will only be a slave to the triangle, burn him to the stake and get rid of his ashes!!!"

what is amazing is Rambis's wife is really good friends with Jeannie Buss and works for the lakers. I wonder if Phil will Reconcile with Jeannie, or has he found anew squeeze whilst in NYC?

So much to speculate about Rambis. Maybe he is the new Herb? Remember Rambis Once a knick, always a knick:

"With the 58th pick in the 1980 Draft, the NY knicks select KURT RAMBIS from the University of California at Santa Clara"

Really, I don't think this guy sticks. Wojo and others back in April reported pretty much has said that players freaking hate him.
It was part of KP's reason for flying the coop.

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7/19/2017  1:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2017  3:13 AM
Before Phil Jackson retired, he told Shaw not to mention his name and Triangle when Shaw went to interview for jobs. It was at the heyday of Triangle.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/5/16/2173632/the-questions-surrounding-brian-shaw-are-more-complicated-than-the

[D]eep down, Lakers owner Jerry Buss really doesn't like the Triangle all that much. He respects it, and he respects Phil Jackson, because both coach and offense have proven to be successful. But Buss dreams at night of the return of Showtime, and craves a high-tempo fastbreak style of offense

It was quite similar to the situation here. LA front office did not like triangle, but the difference? The owner was strong and wise, and their superstars always supported it.

There is a lot of reason not to like Triangle, and I am sure when Phil dies, the system will die with him. The system is opposed to the capitalism. When you shoot, you earn money (ask Melo). When you are not offense talented, your earning will be very limited. Triangle is an offense not for the superstars but for role players . They like it but who cares about them?

And Rambis. Look at this kind of report.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/report-kurt-rambis-beyond-unpopular-with-knicks-players/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:

Kurt Rambis, who is beyond unpopular with the players, league sources said. When players want coaching and teaching, they get yelling, sources said. Most wonder about Rambis’ allegiances, because after all, he’s Jackson’s guy, not Hornacek’s.

So he is the only guy who would yell to his players? Do you know why? Because Melo hates him, and woj always has the info from Melo.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722390-carmelo-anthony-rumors-star-reportedly-not-interested-in-playing-for-knicks

And Adrian Wojnarowski said Anthony has made his stance clear to the Knicks:

“Carmelo Anthony has made it clear to [the Knicks]: I want to go to Houston, I am not interested in talking to you about being reincorporated back into this New York roster. [...]

Melo talks through woj. He doesn't like Rambis. It is not Baker, Holiday or someone.

This is why Melo is smart. He usually doesn't talk, and lets his guy to talk. When the msg is backfired, he can back away. Very clever.

Anyway, most players, who? I need names, I need someone to talk. I need they put the names out, but can they? It is the trick. There is no name, so the players cannot defend it. Again, very clever.

Rambis was very successful as assistant coach, and has 2 rings to prove it. Suddenly he is toxic but was he toxic for LA champion team? Was he toxic when he was playing with Magic Johnson?

Rambis was drafted by the New York Knicks as the 58th pick in the 1980 NBA draft, but he was subsequently waived by the Knicks. He played in Greece in the Greek League for the club AEK Athens, under the name Kyriakos Rambidis.

During his playing days, Rambis was a favorite among the Lakers fans because of his status as an overachieving underdog and ultimate team-player. Known for his defensive and rebounding skills, Rambis also was an efficient clean-up man on offense, with his field goal percentage reaching 59.5 percent at the peak of his career.

Rambis spent most of his 14 seasons in the NBA with the Lakers, winning championships in 1982, 1985, 1987, and 1988 as part of their Showtime teams.

I am sorry I actually got it wrong before. Rambis actually has 6 rings. I didn't know that because I didn't watch ESPN. I think who watches ESPN everyday already knows it.

At the end, are "reports" always right? In sporting news, people have no dignity.

Reports said Melo was a family man, but he actually messes around with women.

Reports said Melo needed to close to his son, but Houston is very far.

Reports said Melo was loyal to Knicks, but actually he is not interested here.

So, when it comes to Melo, reports do not matter, but when it comes to Rambis, everything is true?

A nba team is a company, not government. They don't have to be public about anything. Thus it empowers someone who can get something out. And those local reporters can be very powerful. As a reporter, if you are very far from New York, then you can only report the same things about knicks from local reporters, like Ian Begley or Frank Isola. You get the news from them.

If you ask Frank Isola about Phil Jackson, do you know what you would get? Then it is what I said before.

Opinions become news, then news become facts.

MDA was burned too. He left and he is the coach of the year. I want Rambis gone because the ship is sinking a.k.a we are rebuilding and he will hurt himself, again.


Nalod wrote:Im not sure once a triangle guy always a triangle guy. Its not like "oh, dude is circumsized, he will only be a slave to the triangle, burn him to the stake and get rid of his ashes!!!"

what is amazing is Rambis's wife is really good friends with Jeannie Buss and works for the lakers. I wonder if Phil will Reconcile with Jeannie, or has he found anew squeeze whilst in NYC?

So much to speculate about Rambis. Maybe he is the new Herb? Remember Rambis Once a knick, always a knick:

"With the 58th pick in the 1980 Draft, the NY knicks select KURT RAMBIS from the University of California at Santa Clara"

Really, I don't think this guy sticks. Wojo and others back in April reported pretty much has said that players freaking hate him.
It was part of KP's reason for flying the coop.

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7/19/2017  10:45 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?

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7/19/2017  10:56 AM
I really hope the Knicks commit to Gaines. I like that he seems like an outsider. Clearly he doesn't give a dman what others think of him - and I think that is an important quality in a scout that has to defend his position. I'm willing to give Mills a chance but in the past he was a yes man and a henchman. I like dissenting voices -- especially with Dolan still owning the team. Frankly, Gaines should have a job until KP is off the roster
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7/19/2017  11:10 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n
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7/19/2017  11:33 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n
All those points are fine, but they work under one assumption, that those things about Rambis you mention extend beyond Melo. All the reports I have read were regards to Melo. Also if the player with the NTC says "Im not playing for Rambis" then its a non starter.

What you are saying is typical in the sports world. New guys bring in their own guys, and when old guys get the boot their henchmen usually do also. I am not saying its wrong either, but it does appear that you are pushing the question of why is Rambis still here and I am not sure there is anything more to it than he's under contract and Jeff is fine with him.

I see a lot of this:
[Reality]
Phil: Jeff I would like Kurt to have some player development role. How are you with having him on the coaching staff?
Jeff: Kurt and I are good. We were teammates. I am good with that.
Phil: Thanks
[/Reality]

[Tabloid]
Phil forces his henchman onto Jeff's staff
[/Tabloid]

I think its pretty clear Rambis WAS a problem, but he also refused to play nice and had a confrontation with Melo regarding defense and lack of effort. Also around the same time was the Phil tweet etc. This is why I think it is 100% done when Melo goes. The Knicks may not be a better BB team (maybe they will) but we can get past this stuff and have some normalcy

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yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n
All those points are fine, but they work under one assumption, that those things about Rambis you mention extend beyond Melo. All the reports I have read were regards to Melo. Also if the player with the NTC says "Im not playing for Rambis" then its a non starter.

What you are saying is typical in the sports world. New guys bring in their own guys, and when old guys get the boot their henchmen usually do also. I am not saying its wrong either, but it does appear that you are pushing the question of why is Rambis still here and I am not sure there is anything more to it than he's under contract and Jeff is fine with him.

I see a lot of this:
[Reality]
Phil: Jeff I would like Kurt to have some player development role. How are you with having him on the coaching staff?
Jeff: Kurt and I are good. We were teammates. I am good with that.
Phil: Thanks
[/Reality]

[Tabloid]
Phil forces his henchman onto Jeff's staff
[/Tabloid]

I think its pretty clear Rambis WAS a problem, but he also refused to play nice and had a confrontation with Melo regarding defense and lack of effort. Also around the same time was the Phil tweet etc. This is why I think it is 100% done when Melo goes. The Knicks may not be a better BB team (maybe they will) but we can get past this stuff and have some normalcy


I just listened to the end of the Lowe, Beck, Begley podcast. Begley said KP's issues weren't really with Phil but other(s) and they are still around. He also said that if things arent fixed he could see KP and Willy leaving as free agents. My guess is the guy KP was having issues with was Rambis and possibly Jeff. It is just my opinion but if tht is the case get rid of Kurt please.
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CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n
All those points are fine, but they work under one assumption, that those things about Rambis you mention extend beyond Melo. All the reports I have read were regards to Melo. Also if the player with the NTC says "Im not playing for Rambis" then its a non starter.

What you are saying is typical in the sports world. New guys bring in their own guys, and when old guys get the boot their henchmen usually do also. I am not saying its wrong either, but it does appear that you are pushing the question of why is Rambis still here and I am not sure there is anything more to it than he's under contract and Jeff is fine with him.

I see a lot of this:
[Reality]
Phil: Jeff I would like Kurt to have some player development role. How are you with having him on the coaching staff?
Jeff: Kurt and I are good. We were teammates. I am good with that.
Phil: Thanks
[/Reality]

[Tabloid]
Phil forces his henchman onto Jeff's staff
[/Tabloid]

I think its pretty clear Rambis WAS a problem, but he also refused to play nice and had a confrontation with Melo regarding defense and lack of effort. Also around the same time was the Phil tweet etc. This is why I think it is 100% done when Melo goes. The Knicks may not be a better BB team (maybe they will) but we can get past this stuff and have some normalcy


I just listened to the end of the Lowe, Beck, Begley podcast. Begley said KP's issues weren't really with Phil but other(s) and they are still around. He also said that if things arent fixed he could see KP and Willy leaving as free agents. My guess is the guy KP was having issues with was Rambis and possibly Jeff. It is just my opinion but if tht is the case get rid of Kurt please.

This is a quite perplexing and troubling thing. Begley knows that KP's issues are with someone who is still around, i.e. KP or brothers let it be known to reporters that they are not OK with certain people. That is not how you handle your business.

Not sure why they would ring Willing into this and speculate about something that is 3+ years out, that is poor professionalism on Begley's part.

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martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n
All those points are fine, but they work under one assumption, that those things about Rambis you mention extend beyond Melo. All the reports I have read were regards to Melo. Also if the player with the NTC says "Im not playing for Rambis" then its a non starter.

What you are saying is typical in the sports world. New guys bring in their own guys, and when old guys get the boot their henchmen usually do also. I am not saying its wrong either, but it does appear that you are pushing the question of why is Rambis still here and I am not sure there is anything more to it than he's under contract and Jeff is fine with him.

I see a lot of this:
[Reality]
Phil: Jeff I would like Kurt to have some player development role. How are you with having him on the coaching staff?
Jeff: Kurt and I are good. We were teammates. I am good with that.
Phil: Thanks
[/Reality]

[Tabloid]
Phil forces his henchman onto Jeff's staff
[/Tabloid]

I think its pretty clear Rambis WAS a problem, but he also refused to play nice and had a confrontation with Melo regarding defense and lack of effort. Also around the same time was the Phil tweet etc. This is why I think it is 100% done when Melo goes. The Knicks may not be a better BB team (maybe they will) but we can get past this stuff and have some normalcy


I just listened to the end of the Lowe, Beck, Begley podcast. Begley said KP's issues weren't really with Phil but other(s) and they are still around. He also said that if things arent fixed he could see KP and Willy leaving as free agents. My guess is the guy KP was having issues with was Rambis and possibly Jeff. It is just my opinion but if tht is the case get rid of Kurt please.

This is a quite perplexing and troubling thing. Begley knows that KP's issues are with someone who is still around, i.e. KP or brothers let it be known to reporters that they are not OK with certain people. That is not how you handle your business.

Not sure why they would ring Willing into this and speculate about something that is 3+ years out, that is poor professionalism on Begley's part.

In regards to Willy, Begley said they are very good friends, called them a tandem, and said they have the same agent. Again, it was speculation but if Begley knows there are issues with someone Mills knows.
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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

I know you want nothing more than the players to run the organization to their hearts content. Please list the examples of where this has led to sustained success and didn't include the best player in the world. Now look at real sustained success like Spurs where the "multiple time all stars" get benched. They don't bitch about it and there are no "reports" about their coaching. They shut the fukk up, play basketball and WIN.


You don't know what you are talking about. But I am curious, do you want Rambis back?

I'm guessing that Gaines and Rambis will be retained unless they chose not to be part of the team. Jeff and Rambis seem to get along just fine. Unless JEFF decides he doesn't want Rambis I can't imagine Petty or Mills telling Jeff he has to fire him.

As for Gaines he's no doubt made his value clear to Mills who has to have worked with him closely over the years. I can't imagine that Gaines Scouting Skills would suddenly not be useful. Gaines is a PURE BASKETBALL man. He's not just a Triangle Scout, which is nonsense anyway.

Gaines is a SCOUT PERIOD!!! He kept scouting even when he wasn't with any particular team. It's who he is.

I hope you are right about Gaines. Jeff and Rambis were an odd pair last year. The previous head coach was placed on the staff of the current head coach by the pres as the associate head coach. I hope I am surprised by Jeff and if he is still around Kurt. I don't think resetting after last year with the players will be easy.

Gaines is a SCOUT who can judge talent PERIOD. He's not out here focused on Triangle as people think. Multi Skilled, Smart, Physical Talent, Hustle and Tenacity etc. Gaines looks at all factors and if you read any of his Scouting Reports you'd know that he's legit.

I don't believe Jeff was forced to keep Rambis. Rambis is an assistant and he's been a good one for many years. Jeff seems to be just fine with his staff at this point. We'll see if there are any changes but I think he values Rambis. I think the issues weren't with the young players that are returning. I believe the Rambis issues were with the Vets and I also don't think there's any issues with KP and Jeff.


I know Gaines is a fantastic scout. I just shared Berman's speculation. I am not sure where Rambis stands with Jeff. I was surprised he was on staff in Orlando but maybe Jeff wants Kurt on his staff.

Rambis was an assistant to a coach who did not hire him, after being an interim head coach the previous year, and at this moment he's an assistant to a coach who didn't hire him who, himself, is a head coach for a GM who didn't hire him.

Not necessarily a healthy situation. Rambis should probably be terminated, or if they want to keep him, move him into some kind of front office position.

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7/19/2017  11:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n

LOL - I guess your need to rationalize your bull **** surpasses your ability to comprehend. What I said was you go on a witch hunt against every person that has stood up to Melo. anyone who has read this forum can verify that. So yes I do think you would let Melo make all the decisions if it was up to you. JVG wouldn't last six months if he was coaching Melo. He would demand Melo play defense and everyone who has watcjed the Knicks over the last six years knows how it would end. Youa re now calling Rambis toxic because he asked Melo to play defense, I can only imagine what you would have done to JVG. You post every tweet by every fukking non person that ever remotely criticized Phil for tweeting the truth about how Melo holds the ball. You have zero credibility. Your hypocrisy has long been exposed.

As for Melo hate - damn straight I hate him. Is that somehow less moral than your Phil hate? What exactly do you post that isn't Phil hate or now Rambis hate? Melo hate pisses you off? Tuff ****.

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meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n

LOL - I guess your need to rationalize your bull **** surpasses your ability to comprehend. What I said was you go on a witch hunt against every person that has stood up to Melo. anyone who has read this forum can verify that. So yes I do think you would let Melo make all the decisions if it was up to you. JVG wouldn't last six months if he was coaching Melo. He would demand Melo play defense and everyone who has watcjed the Knicks over the last six years knows how it would end. Youa re now calling Rambis toxic because he asked Melo to play defense, I can only imagine what you would have done to JVG. You post every tweet by every fukking non person that ever remotely criticized Phil for tweeting the truth about how Melo holds the ball. You have zero credibility. Your hypocrisy has long been exposed.

As for Melo hate - damn straight I hate him. Is that somehow less moral than your Phil hate? What exactly do you post that isn't Phil hate or now Rambis hate? Melo hate pisses you off? Tuff ****.


Rosen said Rambis has a hard time relating to modern day players because he had to work so hard to be in the nba. Rambis also was interim, Phil's guy, but didn't get permanent the job after the exit meetings. I think classifying Rambis as old school might not be accurate but e might fit in that category. But he is old school like Byron Scott. Not old school like Pop, Carlisle, SVG, JVG, Riles etc. Not effective but definitely abrasive. I don't think Melo is a Knick ths year. I dont think Rambis should e on the bench. I don't think it is worth possibly losing KP, continuing to ave a dysfunctional locker room just to enforce compliance with an assistant coach. This snt about Melo for me. I think Phil would have forced compliance or traded KP. Phil is gone. If the issue for ZkP and Willy is an abrasive, authoritarian non effective Rambis then I sy move on from Rambis.

In regards to JVG, he coached a ton of big egos including Spree. He wan coached to win and was a grinder. He would ave no issues with Melo.

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CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n

LOL - I guess your need to rationalize your bull **** surpasses your ability to comprehend. What I said was you go on a witch hunt against every person that has stood up to Melo. anyone who has read this forum can verify that. So yes I do think you would let Melo make all the decisions if it was up to you. JVG wouldn't last six months if he was coaching Melo. He would demand Melo play defense and everyone who has watcjed the Knicks over the last six years knows how it would end. Youa re now calling Rambis toxic because he asked Melo to play defense, I can only imagine what you would have done to JVG. You post every tweet by every fukking non person that ever remotely criticized Phil for tweeting the truth about how Melo holds the ball. You have zero credibility. Your hypocrisy has long been exposed.

As for Melo hate - damn straight I hate him. Is that somehow less moral than your Phil hate? What exactly do you post that isn't Phil hate or now Rambis hate? Melo hate pisses you off? Tuff ****.


Rosen said Rambis has a hard time relating to modern day players because he had to work so hard to be in the nba. Rambis also was interim, Phil's guy, but didn't get permanent the job after the exit meetings. I think classifying Rambis as old school might not be accurate but e might fit in that category. But he is old school like Byron Scott. Not old school like Pop, Carlisle, SVG, JVG, Riles etc. Not effective but definitely abrasive. I don't think Melo is a Knick ths year. I dont think Rambis should e on the bench. I don't think it is worth possibly losing KP, continuing to ave a dysfunctional locker room just to enforce compliance with an assistant coach. This snt about Melo for me. I think Phil would have forced compliance or traded KP. Phil is gone. If the issue for ZkP and Willy is an abrasive, authoritarian non effective Rambis then I sy move on from Rambis.

In regards to JVG, he coached a ton of big egos including Spree. He wan coached to win and was a grinder. He would ave no issues with Melo.

When it is coming to "old school", there is no another "old school". You just talk as it is.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18240801/gregg-popovich-says-san-antonio-spurs-players-played-24-minutes-again-loss-chicago-bulls

Pop called his players were worse than plumbers. He insulted them not mature enough to play. He lowered their trade value. Did you think Melo would be okay with that if Pop were the Knicks coach? Next day, Isola would report how toxic the locker rooms were, and Pop were beyond unpopular. Woj would report that when players needed teaching but Pop only knew how to yell and complain. A plumber?? It is worse than drug addicts. You know, only all of us can be plumbers. Melo cannot be a plumber. He is too good for that.

The difference is not the coach. The difference is the players. If Byron Scott was coaching Tim Duncan or Kawhi Leonard, would he be a failure too? Would they not listen to him as well? If a player is not mature, there is no way to change him other than showing him some tough love. What is tough love? Sending THjr to D-league to learn how to defense is "tough love". I don't care about Rambis. I want nothing but good for him. If he is not there, Knicks still need another "unpopular" teacher to hold the standard. The players are VERY rich. You think merely engaging in friendly conversation would really push them to try harder?

Of course, Knicks players are bunch of kindergarten children. They would feel hurt if being yelled. Rambis is the only coach in nba who would yell to his players. It is the secret woj wanted to share with all of us.

“Kurt Rambis, who is beyond unpopular with the players, league sources said,” Wojnarowski writes. “When players want coaching and teaching, they get yelling, sources said. Most wonder about Rambis’ allegiances, because after all, he’s Jackson’s guy, not Hornacek’s.”

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7/20/2017  6:30 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope this also means that they are certain that Rambis is gone.

I think bringing Rambis back brings back the toxic element in the locker room. Is Rambis a permanent fixture now? Maybe he could have a position with the Liberty.
is there something backing this up? Or is just Rambis = Phil's guy so much be toxic?

What are you looking for? There were reports that Kurt didn't get to keep the head job because of what players said at the exit meetings. We knw Rambis participated Ina shouting match in the locker room with Melo back in March. Rosen wrote about Kurt having a tough time relating to the modern payer. Is Kurt needed to bring back the defense that he coached last year?

what I am looking for is some info that Rambis is toxic as you are posting that in multiple threads. Then when people ask your response is "do you want Rambis?"

Do you know anything about Rambis personally? There are many people who have gone out of their way to talk about what a great guy he is. We know Melo didnt like him. Anyone else? Any non-Melo Knick news indicating that Rambis has been bad?

I suspect Rambis in going over all the video simply got sick and tired of certain players total lack of effort and went on tilt. That would certainly fit what facts we know. More so than Rambis is just a blockhead of a human that cant relate to "modern players."

As for coaching the defense look at the NFL and our local Giants... Spagnola's defense went from worst to first (pretty much) in a year. Was it coaching? Or the $200mm in talent they added? How was Thibs defense last year? Think it will be better with Butler and Gibson?

I am just curious where your push to vilify Rambis is coming from?


The guy I responded to said he knew I wanted the players to run things. He didn't know what he was talking about. Favorite coaches for me are Riles and JVG. Not exactly players coaches. I am pretty sure you can recall my dislike for Dantoni as a coach. I posted a ton of stuff about short practices, not game planning on defense, not using scouts etc. it pissed me off that a guy that just posts Melo hate posts here for a year would make assumptions.
In regards to Rambis, I am not an insider so I just go on what I am able to read, hear etc. Rambis was Phil's guy. He was the coach with the same vision as Phil for the team. I think GMs/pres should hire a coach that has their vision. Rambis should have been Phil's coach based on philosophy and vision. He appeared to be about to lose the interim label and be hired. But he wasn't. Was it the exit meetings, his performance as an interim, player relations. I am not sure but he didn't get the job and he was Phil's guy. Then Rambis was placed onbJeff's staff as associate head coach. This past season there were reports of a lot of dysfunction and conflicts in the locker room. There are reports about Rambis not eing liked by players, struggling to relate to players etc. I am not an insider, but I do try to be cautious with the ny media. Some of the Rambis stuff is coming from more
Reliable places. If Jeff and Kurt are a package then give them both a shot. But I think some relationships need to be repaired between coaches and players. I am not sure that Rambis makes that process easier. I also don't think all locker room problems go away with a Melo trade. In my opinion, part of a partial fresh star goes better with Kurt not on the bench n

LOL - I guess your need to rationalize your bull **** surpasses your ability to comprehend. What I said was you go on a witch hunt against every person that has stood up to Melo. anyone who has read this forum can verify that. So yes I do think you would let Melo make all the decisions if it was up to you. JVG wouldn't last six months if he was coaching Melo. He would demand Melo play defense and everyone who has watcjed the Knicks over the last six years knows how it would end. Youa re now calling Rambis toxic because he asked Melo to play defense, I can only imagine what you would have done to JVG. You post every tweet by every fukking non person that ever remotely criticized Phil for tweeting the truth about how Melo holds the ball. You have zero credibility. Your hypocrisy has long been exposed.

As for Melo hate - damn straight I hate him. Is that somehow less moral than your Phil hate? What exactly do you post that isn't Phil hate or now Rambis hate? Melo hate pisses you off? Tuff ****.


Rosen said Rambis has a hard time relating to modern day players because he had to work so hard to be in the nba. Rambis also was interim, Phil's guy, but didn't get permanent the job after the exit meetings. I think classifying Rambis as old school might not be accurate but e might fit in that category. But he is old school like Byron Scott. Not old school like Pop, Carlisle, SVG, JVG, Riles etc. Not effective but definitely abrasive. I don't think Melo is a Knick ths year. I dont think Rambis should e on the bench. I don't think it is worth possibly losing KP, continuing to ave a dysfunctional locker room just to enforce compliance with an assistant coach. This snt about Melo for me. I think Phil would have forced compliance or traded KP. Phil is gone. If the issue for ZkP and Willy is an abrasive, authoritarian non effective Rambis then I sy move on from Rambis.

In regards to JVG, he coached a ton of big egos including Spree. He wan coached to win and was a grinder. He would ave no issues with Melo.

Abrasive? You don't think Pop is abrasive? Just because he is Phil guy this is different?
JVG coached egos but Phil/Rambis couldn't possibly know how to handle egos? The guy has 6 rings that's 6 more than JVG. And I love JVG. These are just made up reasons to make Rambis look bad. He maybe tough on players, I don't care. I have zero respect for people who don't put in effort then bitch about being yelled at.

Handling Melo is not about handling egos. It's about walking into a toxic situation with a player that controls the media narrative through his "boys" and had proved multiple times that he can make the clueless and toxic owner choose him over anybody else. I guess real toxic people look out for their own kind.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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7/20/2017  7:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2017  7:20 AM
Gaines was sitting with Mills throughout many of the summer league games.
The roster Mills/Perry have boasted about having a core to build around, 3 of the main 4 assets have been brought in through Gaines scouting.
Willy Hernangomez.
Kristaps Porzingis.
Frank Ntilikina.

So I don't see how if they truly believe they have a nice young core with adding THj to the mix. If they truly believe that, then why would they let go of the guy who is the primary reason Phil Jackson drafted those players?

Mills may be putting a positive spin on things, but from his press conference he seems to be talking about the same things Phil Jackson and Gaines were doing. Young, athletic, long (wingspan) skill players. This is something I think Gaines will give them great feedback on. The big difference is I don't think Gaines' opinion will hold as much weight without Phil in charge.

Berman, Gaines situation most uncertain

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