Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If Phil had spent the $300 mil that went to Melo, Noah, Lee, and Thomas intelligently, he'd still be here.

That is BS. The media had it in for him as soon as he signed on. Witch hunt is a witch hunt everything was a negative story on Phil and they piled on more and more.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:or bad trades, bad signings, poor management of the coaching staff, disastrous media relations and alienating the franchise's best players could have done it also

Of course I agree. Lol. But he did that before Dolan exercised his extension. Point is, Mills was the reason Dolan made the move.

maybe but this is part of corporate culture. Not sure what your profession is but if you have ever worked in a big bank or big company this is typical. When a high level person flounders the sharks swarm. Its just the nature of the beast. I guess my only point is if it wasnt Mills is was gonna be someone who got in Dolan's ear and pushed an agenda.

Thats why I was hoping for a house cleaning a long time ago. So Dolan had people in his ear who knew what they were talking about after Phil left. Id be pleasantly surprised if Mills picked Gaines to be GM over Houston. At least with Gaines there is an outside chance that Mills would trust his judgement enough to give him some latitude. As opposed to Houston who has been quietly in the D-league.

Houston as GM and its a safe bet that Mills will be calling all the shots. If other teams, the media, could just get in touch with him......

A.Houston is gonna get the GM job with Mills having final say on any roster moves.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

when are you going to understand 2 things

1)75% of NBA players are not playing on the team that drafted them

2)Tanking never works, like ever..

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

nyknickzingis wrote:The plan was always for Phil to mentor Mills on basketball so that Mills basketball IQ gets high enough.
Mills was always the guy who was going to take over for Phil.
The agreement Phil had with Dolan was to run the franchise for a few years and then hand it to Mills to continue.

I don't even think Dolan fired Phil as much as the two sat down and figured a few things.

Number 1, Melo was not going to cooperate or play ball on a trade until Phil was gone. It had become too personal and sort of a pissing contest or who will win the war in the media. Phil lost because he left first. Melo is still being traded, but now it seems he is 10 times more cooperate. Phil had to step aside.

Number 2. KP's camp didn't want to deal with Phil's drama. There was not good communication. Instead of making it better, Phil tries to teach the young KP a lesson. I understand why Phil did this, but you just can not publicly get into a pissing/chicken contest with TWO of your stars. Not, one, but two. He wasn't the coach anymore.

Number 3. Media. It was always about Phil, Triangle, more Phil drama, more Triangle. Just so much headache anytime Phil spoke.

If Phil's plans, methods, style of play for the team were the problem or what they thought needed to go you would not see the following.

Number 1. Phil allowed to draft players he want and build the core group he wanted. Like it or not, our core group and future is built on how good KP, Willy and Frank become. Those guys are 21, 22 and 18 respectively. All Phil's style of players and who he coveted.

Number 2. Phil's main advisor - Gaines keeps his job and position and is now lead advisor to Mills.

Number 3. Phil's coach - Hornachek stays in the fold, and will at this point run the same style of play and plans that he did to begin last season.

I don't think it was about Phil's plans or methods. We're still re-building. Still trading Melo. Still looking to play system basketball with skill players. We're not looking to be the most athletic, best PnR team with a star point guard type of team. It's all about building around KP/Willy/Frank and now adding THj. So I think the drama and problems that came with Phil, just ran it's course. Nothing Phil was going to do the next year can't be done without him so long as Gaines, Hornachek and those guys are there with Mills. And trading Melo will be easier now as Melo's cooperating.

IMO Phil dug his own grave. Maybe he wanted that 24$M. You can't publicly begin to take shots at KP, after you just had a huge war with Melo. Come on dude. You're not a coach anymore. You're a suit in the front office.

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You don't give Noah a 4 yr 72 million dollar deal when you are trying to tank! You don't give Lee a 4yr 50 million dollar deal when you are trying to tank! You dont bring in Rose for a tank! You dont add the previously mention players to team up with Melo who was given the NTC if you are trying to tank! You add them when you are trying to win now!

You are the one that said we don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. Neither does phil!

nyknickzingis wrote:The plan was always for Phil to mentor Mills on basketball so that Mills basketball IQ gets high enough.
Mills was always the guy who was going to take over for Phil.
The agreement Phil had with Dolan was to run the franchise for a few years and then hand it to Mills to continue.

I don't even think Dolan fired Phil as much as the two sat down and figured a few things.

Number 1, Melo was not going to cooperate or play ball on a trade until Phil was gone. It had become too personal and sort of a pissing contest or who will win the war in the media. Phil lost because he left first. Melo is still being traded, but now it seems he is 10 times more cooperate. Phil had to step aside.

Number 2. KP's camp didn't want to deal with Phil's drama. There was not good communication. Instead of making it better, Phil tries to teach the young KP a lesson. I understand why Phil did this, but you just can not publicly get into a pissing/chicken contest with TWO of your stars. Not, one, but two. He wasn't the coach anymore.

Number 3. Media. It was always about Phil, Triangle, more Phil drama, more Triangle. Just so much headache anytime Phil spoke.

If Phil's plans, methods, style of play for the team were the problem or what they thought needed to go you would not see the following.

Number 1. Phil allowed to draft players he want and build the core group he wanted. Like it or not, our core group and future is built on how good KP, Willy and Frank become. Those guys are 21, 22 and 18 respectively. All Phil's style of players and who he coveted.

Number 2. Phil's main advisor - Gaines keeps his job and position and is now lead advisor to Mills.

Number 3. Phil's coach - Hornachek stays in the fold, and will at this point run the same style of play and plans that he did to begin last season.

I don't think it was about Phil's plans or methods. We're still re-building. Still trading Melo. Still looking to play system basketball with skill players. We're not looking to be the most athletic, best PnR team with a star point guard type of team. It's all about building around KP/Willy/Frank and now adding THj. So I think the drama and problems that came with Phil, just ran it's course. Nothing Phil was going to do the next year can't be done without him so long as Gaines, Hornachek and those guys are there with Mills. And trading Melo will be easier now as Melo's cooperating.

IMO Phil dug his own grave. Maybe he wanted that 24$M. You can't publicly begin to take shots at KP, after you just had a huge war with Melo. Come on dude. You're not a coach anymore. You're a suit in the front office.

Well said!!!!

Basically Phil was doing OK but then lost his shyt. Old man grumpy style.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

He tanked the first year which was obvious and netted a 17 win season. So the 80-166 already has an asterisks next to it. Melo was shut down after the all star break. Which he should have done earlier but wanted to play in the all star game to have knee surgery. Next season the team was 20-20 with Melo playing like DadMelo until he stepped on that refs foot messed up his angle and the team went south from their. He could have traded his 2018 draft pick for Jeff Teague at the deadline in order up his win loss record but didn't like the asking price of Grant & 2018 pick to get it done and only wanted to offer Affalo & Grant. 3rd year he took a gamble on Rose and Noah. Which started out good with the team playing above 500. Then Rose went awol and everything went south again.

He handed out 5 long term contracts. Melo, Lopez, KOQ, Noah, Willy.

Nalod wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The plan was always for Phil to mentor Mills on basketball so that Mills basketball IQ gets high enough.
Mills was always the guy who was going to take over for Phil.
The agreement Phil had with Dolan was to run the franchise for a few years and then hand it to Mills to continue.

I don't even think Dolan fired Phil as much as the two sat down and figured a few things.

Number 1, Melo was not going to cooperate or play ball on a trade until Phil was gone. It had become too personal and sort of a pissing contest or who will win the war in the media. Phil lost because he left first. Melo is still being traded, but now it seems he is 10 times more cooperate. Phil had to step aside.

Number 2. KP's camp didn't want to deal with Phil's drama. There was not good communication. Instead of making it better, Phil tries to teach the young KP a lesson. I understand why Phil did this, but you just can not publicly get into a pissing/chicken contest with TWO of your stars. Not, one, but two. He wasn't the coach anymore.

Number 3. Media. It was always about Phil, Triangle, more Phil drama, more Triangle. Just so much headache anytime Phil spoke.

If Phil's plans, methods, style of play for the team were the problem or what they thought needed to go you would not see the following.

Number 1. Phil allowed to draft players he want and build the core group he wanted. Like it or not, our core group and future is built on how good KP, Willy and Frank become. Those guys are 21, 22 and 18 respectively. All Phil's style of players and who he coveted.

Number 2. Phil's main advisor - Gaines keeps his job and position and is now lead advisor to Mills.

Number 3. Phil's coach - Hornachek stays in the fold, and will at this point run the same style of play and plans that he did to begin last season.

I don't think it was about Phil's plans or methods. We're still re-building. Still trading Melo. Still looking to play system basketball with skill players. We're not looking to be the most athletic, best PnR team with a star point guard type of team. It's all about building around KP/Willy/Frank and now adding THj. So I think the drama and problems that came with Phil, just ran it's course. Nothing Phil was going to do the next year can't be done without him so long as Gaines, Hornachek and those guys are there with Mills. And trading Melo will be easier now as Melo's cooperating.

IMO Phil dug his own grave. Maybe he wanted that 24$M. You can't publicly begin to take shots at KP, after you just had a huge war with Melo. Come on dude. You're not a coach anymore. You're a suit in the front office.

Well said!!!!

Basically Phil was doing OK but then lost his shyt. Old man grumpy style.

Yes great post!!

Phil for all his flaws we know that at the end of the day his intentions was for the Knicks to play good basketball.