reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:To those of you who were constantly hating on Phil Jackson without appreciating how he refused to trade #1 draft picks for a quick fixes and drafted KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson are you having any regrets yet? Sure its easy to find fault with a GM/President when the team is in a rebuilding phase and has no draft picks to work with. Phil did a lot for the future of this team and now we have nobody good to replace him.

Mills already pulled off a signing that was better than any signings Phil did in 3 years. Sorry I don't want 15 mil on 33 year olds or overrated volume scorers. You'll just have to learn to accept that we won't have more Noahs and Melos. I see no indication that Mills is going to change the one thing Phil gets credit for (keeping his own picks). Since he's targeting youth, it seems quiet unlikely he would change this. Time will tell.

Mills signed an average player for well above average money. That's nothing to write home about.

It's better than signing aging below average players for all-star/superstar money! I only gave the signing a C/C+ but it's still better than what I'd expect from Phil.

I notice that you're harping on the Noah signing and avoiding the fact that Phil brought in KP, Willy, Ntilikina and Dotson, all with just 2 #1 draft picks. We also have all of our #1s going forward which we haven't seen in decades because of him. Look at the whole picture. Where we were when he took over (aging veterans and no draft picks) to now (nice young talent and all of our draft picks).

EwingsGlass wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246835/David-Griffin-Withdraws-From-Consideration-For-Knicks-GM-Job

My educated guess is that that Mills/Dolan would not allow him to clean house and bring in his own staff for the position. Knicks are a joke. How can you expect an established and well respected GM with winning experience to NOT want to bring in his own guys as GM? How many regimes will these guys survive, as the organization continues to be run to the ground? Unbelievable. This franchise just can't get out of its own way.

Seriously, what did Griffin do that wasn't just acting on behalf of Lebron? Make me GM and give me Lebron. I'll look good too.

It's hard to compare two totally different situations. With the Cavs, Griff was dealing with a championship caliber team with arguably the best player on the planet as the face of their franchise, so it makes sense for the GM to try to appease him with his decisions to keep him happy. He needed Lebron more than Lebron needed him. And the bottom line is he found pieces and won a championship, which is the end game.

NY would have been a totally different situation: rebuilding franchise without an identify going through a youth movement.

The reason I liked him is that he is well regarded around the NBA circles and has tons of contacts and relationships, which is needed in making moves. The fact that you dictate the terms to an established GM coming in to me is absurd.

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:To those of you who were constantly hating on Phil Jackson without appreciating how he refused to trade #1 draft picks for a quick fixes and drafted KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson are you having any regrets yet? Sure its easy to find fault with a GM/President when the team is in a rebuilding phase and has no draft picks to work with. Phil did a lot for the future of this team and now we have nobody good to replace him.

Mills already pulled off a signing that was better than any signings Phil did in 3 years. Sorry I don't want 15 mil on 33 year olds or overrated volume scorers. You'll just have to learn to accept that we won't have more Noahs and Melos. I see no indication that Mills is going to change the one thing Phil gets credit for (keeping his own picks). Since he's targeting youth, it seems quiet unlikely he would change this. Time will tell.

Mills signed an average player for well above average money. That's nothing to write home about.

It's better than signing aging below average players for all-star/superstar money! I only gave the signing a C/C+ but it's still better than what I'd expect from Phil.

I notice that you're harping on the Noah signing and avoiding the fact that Phil brought in KP, Willy, Ntilikina and Dotson, all with just 2 #1 draft picks. We also have all of our #1s going forward which we haven't seen in decades because of him. Look at the whole picture. Where we were when he took over (aging veterans and no draft picks) to now (nice young talent and all of our draft picks).

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:To those of you who were constantly hating on Phil Jackson without appreciating how he refused to trade #1 draft picks for a quick fixes and drafted KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson are you having any regrets yet? Sure its easy to find fault with a GM/President when the team is in a rebuilding phase and has no draft picks to work with. Phil did a lot for the future of this team and now we have nobody good to replace him.

Mills already pulled off a signing that was better than any signings Phil did in 3 years. Sorry I don't want 15 mil on 33 year olds or overrated volume scorers. You'll just have to learn to accept that we won't have more Noahs and Melos. I see no indication that Mills is going to change the one thing Phil gets credit for (keeping his own picks). Since he's targeting youth, it seems quiet unlikely he would change this. Time will tell.

Mills signed an average player for well above average money. That's nothing to write home about.

It's better than signing aging below average players for all-star/superstar money! I only gave the signing a C/C+ but it's still better than what I'd expect from Phil.

I notice that you're harping on the Noah signing and avoiding the fact that Phil brought in KP, Willy, Ntilikina and Dotson, all with just 2 #1 draft picks. We also have all of our #1s going forward which we haven't seen in decades because of him. Look at the whole picture. Where we were when he took over (aging veterans and no draft picks) to now (nice young talent and all of our draft picks).

I've given Phil credit many times for his draft choices. He just couldn't make competent trades or free agent signings. I want a rebuild done by someone who's competent in more than 1 out of 3 areas.

And now we have Dolan making the decisions.

CrushAlot wrote:Smart move on his part. The Knicks need to clean hose or hire from within.

When an organization has been so **** for so long on every level, why on earth would you hire from within?! Why are so many people considered untouchable and unfireable in this absolute s*** show?!

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Smart move on his part. The Knicks need to clean hose or hire from within.

When an organization has been so **** for so long on every level, why on earth would you hire from within?! Why are so many people considered untouchable and unfireable in this absolute s*** show?!

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Smart move on his part. The Knicks need to clean hose or hire from within.

When an organization has been so **** for so long on every level, why on earth would you hire from within?! Why are so many people considered untouchable and unfireable in this absolute s*** show?!

If you aren't willing to let someone do the job with autonomy, hire his own people, and build a roster based on his vision, then you hire from within. I am not saying the right direction is to hire from within. However, no one needs to be hired if nothing is going to change.

I agree with this...But if this was the stance all along, why bother to interview someone outside of the organization? What respectable gm prospect is going to come into this situation knowing I can't bring in my own staff? Just another embarrassing mark against this franchise...

EnySpree wrote:We don't need another regime change... we need a guy that will help us along the path we're on. We need to rebuild through youth. Not rebuild through another guys eyes. I can't believe anyone would want a guy to come in an bring more goons in. We need to rebuild through youth. That's it. Fuck a dude that sucked Lebron dick for however many years he been there. Have some respect for yourself. Can't have just anybody come into your house. When the right guy comes in we will make a move. Until then **** it. Stick to the plan

Amen Eny. This is the best news we could've gotten. We cannot have someone coming in and suddenly deciding to 'win now' with Melo or to bring in 'seasoned vets' because "you can't rebuild in NY" and other trite BS. Let the sportswriters write their tripe and the ESPN no-knothings bloviate. This team is finally - for the first time since Ewing (though I enjoyed the Spree detour)- building the right way. Why mess with that?

stanleybostitch wrote:

reub wrote:To those of you who were constantly hating on Phil Jackson without appreciating how he refused to trade #1 draft picks for quick fixes and drafted KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson are you having any regrets yet? Sure its easy to find fault with a GM/President when the team is in a rebuilding phase and has no draft picks to work with. Phil did a lot for the future of this team and now we have nobody good to replace him.

How about this - Phil is on vacation. Phil being out of the picture was Melo's price to waive his NTC. Once Melo is gone, bring Phil back in as a "consultant" and let Mills, Gaines, and Phil finish what they started. Three dimensional chess!

Why stop there? Let's bring Isiah back and make it 4 dimensional