TPercy wrote:Assuming we are getting back harkless and Leonard
Rondo/frank/baker
THJR/ lee/ Dotson
Harkless/lance/ kuz
KP/Leonard/PF
Noah/ Willy/C

This is a job well done if you ask me.A good mix of vets/ young core.

Harkless and Leonard are both scrubs. Appears ppl just want youth and nothing else.

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Assuming we are getting back harkless and Leonard
Rondo/frank/baker
THJR/ lee/ Dotson
Harkless/lance/ kuz
KP/Leonard/PF
Noah/ Willy/C

This is a job well done if you ask me.A good mix of vets/ young core.

Harkless and Leonard are both scrubs. Appears ppl just want youth and nothing else.

Harkless is certainly no scrub and neither is Leonard. Why do you think so?

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frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Long term harkless is no bench player. In fact he's already a starter on a playoff team. To me he seems like a decent glue guy who plays defense and is a reliable slasher to the basket and can hit the open shot which is exactly what we need.

To put in perspective Andre Roberson is a starter on a playoff team. The key word in your response is "decent". Our roster is full of decent guys. So are many of the D league rosters.

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Knickoftime wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

reub wrote:If we trade Melo and get back Harkless, Leonard and say, Hartenstein who we can stash in Europe for this season I think that we pick up about $6 million in salary right there.

I really hope thata not the haul we're getting back for Melo. Its Crazy ppl are ok w this. smh

I think a fair question at this stage is what do you expect the Knicks to accomplish with Melo?

Knicks clearly want to make Kp the alpha dog and surround him with complimentary players suited and inclined to be 2-5 options.

One Alpha dog is not the trend of todays NBA. Melo around is not the reason KP struggle to score against opposing PGs in the post. KP needs to learn to be aggressive and assert his size. Cant blame eveything on Melo.

Not blaming it on Melo. But he's just not working in NY and there is responsibility to go around.

I'll ask again, it wasn't rhetorical - at this stage what do you expect the Knicks to accomplish with Melo?

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TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Long term harkless is no bench player. In fact he's already a starter on a playoff team. To me he seems like a decent glue guy who plays defense and is a reliable slasher to the basket and can hit the open shot which is exactly what we need.

To put in perspective Andre Roberson is a starter on a playoff team. The key word in your response is "decent". Our roster is full of decent guys. So are many of the D league rosters.

Roberson is a valuable player to okc as a lockdown defender. Poor example.
Look, we don't need anybody spectacular to start at the 3. We already have our two focal guys in Timmy and KP so what we need to do is surround them with complimentary players. Harkless fits that. I fail to see your point. Secondly please identify who in our starting lineup and rotation classify as D league guys...

Roberson is a huge liabilty. First ive seen hack a shaq on a guard. I would be upset if Roberson was the key piece we were getting back for Melo. To clarify i never said our starting lineup have D league guys...what i said is our roster and d league rosters are full of "decent" players your satisfied trading Melo for.

Such a liability that they resigned him at 3 years 30 million. Try again. With regards to Melo what worth do you think he has? Melo is just above a decent player himself at this stage in his career.

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Long term harkless is no bench player. In fact he's already a starter on a playoff team. To me he seems like a decent glue guy who plays defense and is a reliable slasher to the basket and can hit the open shot which is exactly what we need.

To put in perspective Andre Roberson is a starter on a playoff team. The key word in your response is "decent". Our roster is full of decent guys. So are many of the D league rosters.

Roberson is a valuable player to okc as a lockdown defender. Poor example.
Look, we don't need anybody spectacular to start at the 3. We already have our two focal guys in Timmy and KP so what we need to do is surround them with complimentary players. Harkless fits that. I fail to see your point. Secondly please identify who in our starting lineup and rotation classify as D league guys...

Roberson is a huge liabilty. First ive seen hack a shaq on a guard. I would be upset if Roberson was the key piece we were getting back for Melo. To clarify i never said our starting lineup have D league guys...what i said is our roster and d league rosters are full of "decent" players your satisfied trading Melo for.

Such a liability that they resigned him at 3 years 30 million. Try again. With regards to Melo what worth do you think he has? Melo is just above a decent player himself at this stage in his career.

No one is running to play for okc.They are forced to keep what they have. Can you honestly say you would be happy with Roberson as the NYKs starting 2 guard?? I definetly would not. Did you even watch any OKC playoff games?

Melo is an all star and was the best player on the Knicks. Just above decent is inaccurate. Harkless upside is way less than Melo production last season. Not even close.

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Long term harkless is no bench player. In fact he's already a starter on a playoff team. To me he seems like a decent glue guy who plays defense and is a reliable slasher to the basket and can hit the open shot which is exactly what we need.

To put in perspective Andre Roberson is a starter on a playoff team. The key word in your response is "decent". Our roster is full of decent guys. So are many of the D league rosters.

Roberson is a valuable player to okc as a lockdown defender. Poor example.
Look, we don't need anybody spectacular to start at the 3. We already have our two focal guys in Timmy and KP so what we need to do is surround them with complimentary players. Harkless fits that. I fail to see your point. Secondly please identify who in our starting lineup and rotation classify as D league guys...

Roberson is a huge liabilty. First ive seen hack a shaq on a guard. I would be upset if Roberson was the key piece we were getting back for Melo. To clarify i never said our starting lineup have D league guys...what i said is our roster and d league rosters are full of "decent" players your satisfied trading Melo for.

Such a liability that they resigned him at 3 years 30 million. Try again. With regards to Melo what worth do you think he has? Melo is just above a decent player himself at this stage in his career.

No one is running to play for okc.They are forced to keep what they have. Can you honestly say you would be happy with Roberson as the NYKs starting 2 guard?? I definetly would not. Did you even watch any OKC playoff games?

Melo is an all star and was the best player on the Knicks. Just above decent is inaccurate. Harkless upside is way less than Melo production last season. Not even close.

You said Roberson was a liability. A liability is someone who hurts puts the team at a disadvantage. So why resign Roberson if he puts the team at a disadvantage? It's like if the Noah deal finished today and we resigned him to another bad deal....

Melo being an all star doesn't mean **** and you know that. In fact, Melo wasn't even picked for the reserves in the first place. Melos production means diddly squat when he's jacking up a ton of shots to get there so yes, harklesses two way upside and better fit trumps Melos production.

Did you watch the OKC-Houston series? Im guesing not because yiu would know eaht I mean by liabilty.
I would also ask if you watched many knicks games last season? Melos shot attempts were not him just jacking shots. Did you see how many times Melo passes early in the possesion and ball came right back to Melo? Did you see how many bad shots were taken the moments we really needed a bucket to stay in the game? Do you remember Lee passing on the 3 because he thought the opposing coach was a player? Did you see KP struggle to score in the post against the opposing teams PG? People need to stop blaming the knicks short commings on Melo.Im sorry but Harkless is not the answer. Far from it. If somehow Melo is traded for Harkless I will support him like i support all my knick players (until you prove a liabilty and want you gone) but this trade scenario is not something ppl shouldnt be getting excited about.

frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Why would you expect to get an all-NBA player for Melo at this point? Harkless and picks would be a fine haul for Melo at this point. Harkless is far from a scrub, and has potential to be a very good NBA starter.

frenchy00 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:

reub wrote:If we trade Melo and get back Harkless, Leonard and say, Hartenstein who we can stash in Europe for this season I think that we pick up about $6 million in salary right there.

I really hope thata not the haul we're getting back for Melo. Its Crazy ppl are ok w this. smh

I think a fair question at this stage is what do you expect the Knicks to accomplish with Melo?

Knicks clearly want to make Kp the alpha dog and surround him with complimentary players suited and inclined to be 2-5 options.

One Alpha dog is not the trend of todays NBA. Melo around is not the reason KP struggle to score against opposing PGs in the post. KP needs to learn to be aggressive and assert his size. Cant blame eveything on Melo.

Not blaming it on Melo. But he's just not working in NY and there is responsibility to go around.

I'll ask again, it wasn't rhetorical - at this stage what do you expect the Knicks to accomplish with Melo?

We accomplish fielding a more competitive team. Melo hasnt been working because he hasnt been surrounded by talent.

On that note, did yo correctly predict the Knicks were a lottery team each of the last 4 seasons prior to the start of the season?

Put Willy, Kp, Melo, THJ, and Frenchy on the court and lets compete.

For?

Our success is hinged on KP and THJ progression and i do not see Melo getting in the way.

You don't see Melo's skills at this stage in this career essentially being a high volume scorer that needs a high volume of shots?

He is not above average at his position (either of them) in defense, passing, rebounding, or efficiency. He's not even average in defense or efficiency. He doesn't play up and down and is more suited to half-court, which I imagine JH is going to get away from.

What he is good at is getting his midrange shot whenever he wants in the half court, which is a useful skill but very often done in isolation.

Which of these skills do you think translates to a more fact paced, 2 or 3 option environment?

frenchy00 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

frenchy00 wrote:Maybe scrub is too strong of a word. Lets say bench player then. Neither eill be sn sll-star, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all NBA team. Nothing here to get excited over.

Why would you expect to get an all-NBA player for Melo at this point? Harkless and picks would be a fine haul for Melo at this point. Harkless is far from a scrub, and has potential to be a very good NBA starter.

Keep Melo if thats the case.

Why? if we can dump his salary and get a young asset plus a pick, you do that. Keeping Melo does absolutely nothing for us.