meloshouldgo wrote:

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

Yes this our comfort zone. Can't win and won't rebuild. Same old Knicks.
We are good at sucking - we've been doing it successfully for two decades now.
Sucks tho be a fan and watch this train wreck repeat itself.

I get that franchises want to win, want to be competitive. They don't want to lose on purpose.

I'm certainly not advocating a Hinkie-style rebuild - I don't think anyone really is.

But for gods sake! Look at the talent you have on the roster, evaluate where it can be reasonably expected to get you & make a judgement about how your going to improve- not to simply win a few more games, but to be in a position to be a serious championship contender.

I think we're several pieces away. I'm not a professional, but we supposedly have some in our front office.

Somehow, they are under the delusion that we're close to being something we're not- a play off team.

We won 30 games last year. How does adding Tim Hardaway Jr. and taking away Melo change that?

I get Hardway's improved, and Melo was a minus. Is that really worth 10 wins?

This is Dolan Starphuck all over again. Maybe we haven't traded future picks away (YET), but the win now at all costs mentality appears to be back.

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

Yes this our comfort zone. Can't win and won't rebuild. Same old Knicks.
We are good at sucking - we've been doing it successfully for two decades now.
Sucks tho be a fan and watch this train wreck repeat itself.

we basically need the NBA to save us and have us win the lottery. I think Phil had the right idea about moving Porzingis, he would of had 4 high picks in 2 offseasons. That with Willy would of gave us the core we needed in the perfect time frame. You would then have 3 more offseasons to acquire talent before anyone became a FA. Instead we again cater to a malcontent. He is going to get hurt and its going to be the end

Yup

I dont see keeping Lee as a sign that the team wants to win now. He is not that good. I also am not sure why the Knicks are being seen as an organization trying to win now. Signing a young player that you think is going to grow and be a part of your young core isn't a win now move. Drafting an 18 year old point guard isn't a win now move. Trading Melo isn't a win now move.

Also, I think that if Lee puts up 40% from there again, he'll be us a first rounder

Welpee wrote:I could see Lee having a lot of value to a contending team. If we have to pretend Lee is in our plans in order to increase his trade price tag, so be it.

franco12 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

Yes this our comfort zone. Can't win and won't rebuild. Same old Knicks.
We are good at sucking - we've been doing it successfully for two decades now.
Sucks tho be a fan and watch this train wreck repeat itself.

I get that franchises want to win, want to be competitive. They don't want to lose on purpose.

I'm certainly not advocating a Hinkie-style rebuild - I don't think anyone really is.

But for gods sake! Look at the talent you have on the roster, evaluate where it can be reasonably expected to get you & make a judgement about how your going to improve- not to simply win a few more games, but to be in a position to be a serious championship contender.

I think we're several pieces away. I'm not a professional, but we supposedly have some in our front office.

Somehow, they are under the delusion that we're close to being something we're not- a play off team.

We won 30 games last year. How does adding Tim Hardaway Jr. and taking away Melo change that?

I get Hardway's improved, and Melo was a minus. Is that really worth 10 wins?

This is Dolan Starphuck all over again. Maybe we haven't traded future picks away (YET), but the win now at all costs mentality appears to be back.

A Hinkie style rebuild is exactly what is needed, but includes the whole organization. Mills, H2O and the rest need to go as well. It will never happen, instead we will suck for the next 20 years.

frenchy00 wrote:Just wanted to add this team is good enough to make playoffs as is. Gotto ezpect KP to step up, i would expect KP to solve his offense weakness, particularly not being able to dominate guards in the post. THJ looks like a stud from the footage ive seen from last year (if you havent check out facebook, youtube before commenting). Melo is a an all star player who has been dedicating to improvingbhus game all off-season. Frank we have seen but if his defense is as advertised and can runn and offense moving the ball and contributing on offense I think we have a solid all around team.

Tanking IMO is not the direction we should be taking. You can find game changers outside of the top 5 picks. Never a guarantee a lottery pick will make it in the NBA...check the history. Willy, KP, THJ, Frank are all players of our future.. Thats 4 of 5 starting players...not sure I understand the need to tank. Add in Kuz, Dotson, and baker and thats even more youth for our future. Talent is here..lets see how team plays not under the triangle anymore.

Your opinion is wrong..... but a lot of Knicks fans are shortsighted so unfortunately you're not alone

EnySpree wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:The off season is still young. Melo would have to be moved first for Lee to get the start. Then Griffin when he comes in will have to feel the same way which I doubt. He will look to line up contracts for 2018-2019.

My thing us with Griffin coming in, he would have to be in agreement with whay the Knicks are already doing. Were not going to hire anyone that's just going to come in and undo everything. That's just common sense. Were not hiring a figure head. Were hiring a guy that will add credibility as fresh ideas to the pot.

It's the same thing when horny got hired. Horny agreed to run the triangle he agreed also to run his sets mixed in with the triangle. He agree to that. It's not like the knick hired him and then forcing him to run something he doesn't want to run. He agreed to run that triangle mix in with his own system. That's the whole point of us hiring him. They had dinner the same thing like they doing the Griffin now you got to have these talks and stuff in order to get everyone on the same page. Once everyone agrees that they can work together then we'll make the hire that's just how it goes. Guys automatically think that we hire a guy that's going to be a whole bunch of drama it's not always have to go that way that's that's what everyone thinks is going to happen but I mean this is real life. You know guys have to all agree to things and then they work together that's how we should work. That's what growing a healthy culture in an organization is all about.

I agree, I don't think moving Lee translates into uprooting the whole operation though. Sure they made a comment about Lee playing with Hardaway but are they dead set on that or is that just what they are willing to do what they have? Signing Hardaway before moving Lee immedialty lowers Lee's value somewhat as teams now think we are desperate to move him. By claiming that he isn't on the block and in the plans to start alongside of Hardaway imo is more of a way to keep his value up. I can bet teams as soon as we signed Hardaway came calling with crap offers for Lee.

wargames wrote:This damn organization can't make up its mind. Are we tanking for Porter or Doncic or trying to have enough vets to make it to the 8th seed (which is stupid but thats another conversation)