Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/raptors-to-trade-demarre-carroll-to-nets.html

Sigh, The Nets will be a better team than the Knicks in 3 years and they gave away all their picks , we are fing clueless

Nets will have the Raptors pick, the Celtics will have the Nets pick and the Knicks will have the Knicks pick.

How's that an advantage to the Nets?

Knickoftime wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.

He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.

I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?

I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.

wish we had masai instead of david griffin

Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.

Pick in the 20s is THAT appealing?

Yes when you have no chance of winning absorbing contracts like this are a very smart way of building a roster. One injury to the Raptors guards who knows where that pick is. At least they realize they can't win and try to position themselves through draft picks.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.

He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.

I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?

I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.

wish we had masai instead of david griffin

Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.

Pick in the 20s is THAT appealing?

Yes when you have no chance of winning absorbing contracts like this are a very smart way of building a roster. One injury to the Raptors guards who knows where that pick is. At least they realize they can't win and try to position themselves through draft picks.

Well, it's lottery protected, so we can pin down "who knows" pretty significantly.

Knicks are almost certainly going to have a better pick in 2018 than the Nets.

Again, you're putting a lot of weight in philosophy when we know the details of the deck stacked against them.

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.

He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.

I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?

I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.

wish we had masai instead of david griffin

Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.

Pick in the 20s is THAT appealing?

Yes when you have no chance of winning absorbing contracts like this are a very smart way of building a roster. One injury to the Raptors guards who knows where that pick is. At least they realize they can't win and try to position themselves through draft picks.

Well, it's lottery protected, so we can pin down "who knows" pretty significantly.

Knicks are almost certainly going to have a better pick in 2018 than the Nets.

Again, you're putting a lot of weight in philosophy when we know the details of the deck stacked against them.

I said in 3 years, not next season. The Nets seem to understand their position and are making moves accordingly the Knicks either are delusional, stupid, or both.

marks is trying to recoup picks/young players but he's paying ALOT of money for them. remember when late first rounders would cost $3 mil - well now he just bought one for $36 mil. he had to take on mosgov's obscene deal to get russell. it's tough being an nba gm.

morey dumped a 1st to get rid of lin and he dumped a first to get rid of asik. gm's make mistakes - it's recognizing and moving on from them, even if it costs you a bit.

norm now is going to get 30 mins - he's ready.

and ujiri is high on OG and he should be getting mins when he returns in jan.

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/07/raptors-to-trade-demarre-carroll-to-nets.html

Sigh, The Nets will be a better team than the Knicks in 3 years and they gave away all their picks , we are fing clueless

Nets will have the Raptors pick, the Celtics will have the Nets pick and the Knicks will have the Knicks pick.

How's that an advantage to the Nets?

The moves the Nets have made this offseason have been smart and point directly to a GM that has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing. The Knicks overpaying a middling SG shows how out of touch they are.

I agree but their first choice was to get Otto Porter. I don't know if they would have had the cap space to take on Carroll's deal. I think the map for improvement for them is easier than what it is for the Knicks. Atlanta also as been able to acquire some extra first rounders. It will be interesting to see how their rebuilds go.

From what i've seen we would be way better off with Sean Marks than Steve Mills but Dolan would never hire a man like him

djsunyc wrote:not all picks are created equal. this has lotto protection.

marks is trying to recoup picks/young players but he's paying ALOT of money for them. remember when late first rounders would cost $3 mil - well now he just bought one for $36 mil. he had to take on mosgov's obscene deal to get russell. it's tough being an nba gm.

morey dumped a 1st to get rid of lin and he dumped a first to get rid of asik. gm's make mistakes - it's recognizing and moving on from them, even if it costs you a bit.

norm now is going to get 30 mins - he's ready.

and ujiri is high on OG and he should be getting mins when he returns in jan.

They should have asked for a 2nd future first but even so. Its fine because they have to meet the salary cap limitations regardless. They only have cap space to use to acquire assets other then trading more picks. As long as they clean up their cap in 2 years. Year after next they will have their own lotto pick again. They can use the picks and young players they acquired over the years to build a solid team.

They really have no choice given their pick situation.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:Has there ever been an overrated GM as Ujiri is. People here sing his praises like he shyts gold or something. I always thought he was never that good. Topping of the Lowery fiasco with this cherry in top.

He's in Canada. In the NBA, that's like basically being in Siberia.

I think he's being judged on a relative scale. I.E. if Brian Cashman wasn't with the Yankees, how would he do with a small market baseball team with full control? If Billy Beane and Cashman switched places, how would they both do?

I think the argument would be if he was in a better overall situation, he'd be more effective. Hard to say though. He's clearly better than anything the Knicks have had in a long time.

wish we had masai instead of david griffin

Wish we still had enough cap space to pull off a move like this.

Pick in the 20s is THAT appealing?

Yes when you have no chance of winning absorbing contracts like this are a very smart way of building a roster. One injury to the Raptors guards who knows where that pick is. At least they realize they can't win and try to position themselves through draft picks.

Well, it's lottery protected, so we can pin down "who knows" pretty significantly.

Knicks are almost certainly going to have a better pick in 2018 than the Nets.

Again, you're putting a lot of weight in philosophy when we know the details of the deck stacked against them.

I said in 3 years, not next season. The Nets seem to understand their position and are making moves accordingly the Knicks either are delusional, stupid, or both.

Except, as pointed out, they tried to max out Porter not 5 days ago, meaning it was just a few days ago they were stupid, delusional or both.

Their "understanding of their position" seems to be a very recent development.

You overshot the target.

NardDogNation wrote:Should I prefer using cap space to sign Tim Hardaway Jr to this? I feel like things can rapidly fall apart for the Raptors, making that 2018 pick especially valuable. Even if it stays at 25, like Bonn predicts...I'd still prefer this deal to Hardaway's.

Agree. If we tradeMelo out would give us an SF to fill out the roster. THJR deal basically means we can't get a vet PG to mentor Frank

djsunyc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

djsunyc wrote:not all picks are created equal. this has lotto protection.

marks is trying to recoup picks/young players but he's paying ALOT of money for them. remember when late first rounders would cost $3 mil - well now he just bought one for $36 mil. he had to take on mosgov's obscene deal to get russell. it's tough being an nba gm.

morey dumped a 1st to get rid of lin and he dumped a first to get rid of asik. gm's make mistakes - it's recognizing and moving on from them, even if it costs you a bit.

norm now is going to get 30 mins - he's ready.

and ujiri is high on OG and he should be getting mins when he returns in jan.

They should have asked for a 2nd future first but even so. Its fine because they have to meet the salary cap limitations regardless. They only have cap space to use to acquire assets other then trading more picks. As long as they clean up their cap in 2 years. Year after next they will have their own lotto pick again. They can use the picks and young players they acquired over the years to build a solid team.

They really have no choice given their pick situation.

ujiri had an interview yesterday saying he was really close to divesting and blowing it up but seeing all the good players go from east to west made him change his mind for a 3 year plan. bring the gang back and see what happens the next 3 years. if we stay around 50 wins - that would make a 7 year run of around 50 wins...which is so damn tough to do. even the cojo for cj miles deal - he's only signed for 3 years if he picks up his PO. why compete with 10 other eastern conference teams for lotto picks when he can compete with 1 or 2 other teams to be the 2nd seed.

Given TOR situation it was the smart choice to make. They have veteran pieces that can compete over the next 3 then their cap clears up. Then retool/rebuild with the space.