Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

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This stood out to me, "Playing in a better defensive system, THJ numbers improved (drastically)" Do we believe we will have a better defensive system than ATL? Or better yet, an improved system from last yr? I hope so...

smackeddog wrote:

TheGame wrote:Unless hardaway learned how to play defense this is a terrible deal. Unbelievable!!! Ugh!!! Well there goes the hope of preserving cap space. Only hope is that Frank is as good as advertised.

Atlanta will probably sign Pope from Detroit for the same price as hardaway and Pope is a better all-around SG.

The word is he did learn to play defense and stats seem to back it up. The question is whether hell revert back to his old ways

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/JeffreyBellone/status/883343571763462144

This stood out to me, "Playing in a better defensive system, THJ numbers improved (drastically)" Do we believe we will have a better defensive system than ATL? Or better yet, an improved system from last yr? I hope so...

It's not about the system as much as his individual dedication to improving his defensive effort and technique. MOST of Defense is individual effort and execution. After that teams have to perform as a UNIT. They have to stayed tied together and trust each other.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/JeffreyBellone/status/883343571763462144

This stood out to me, "Playing in a better defensive system, THJ numbers improved (drastically)" Do we believe we will have a better defensive system than ATL? Or better yet, an improved system from last yr? I hope so...

A system alone doesn't make you hold players to 38% shooting the past two years. Most players in the best defensive systems don't hold their opponents to that. I'm sure Timmy himself improved defensively too. It's not all the system.

Obviously...But schemes help overall team success...I remember during the last yrs of MDA how dreadful and confused we were defensively. to switch or not to switch, two players closing out on one shooter due to lack communication...Clear roles, and clear rotations help a lot.

nyknickzingis wrote:One thing that will be nice to see if it happens, is that the Knicks for the first time in a long time will have a really young above average athleticism backcourt with Ntilikina/Hardaway. We won't have issues playing a high tempo now.

Yeah. So much BELLYACHING from jaded Knicks fans. They haven't even thought about the NEW CORE and it's possibilities as a unit.

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:One thing that will be nice to see if it happens, is that the Knicks for the first time in a long time will have a really young above average athleticism backcourt with Ntilikina/Hardaway. We won't have issues playing a high tempo now.

Yeah. So much BELLYACHING from jaded Knicks fans. They haven't even thought about the NEW CORE and it's possibilities as a unit.

Doesn't mean they will get enough wins right away.
But I rather invest a few years in a Ntilikina/Hardaway backcourt that has an average age of 22.5 and not much NBA experience, meaning that there is possibilty of improved play and results VS

Invest in Teague or Rose or whatever vet PG on a massive contract on his way down, with Lee who while a solid player, gives us an average age of about 30 years with most likely declining production each year.

I don't think fans realize this but we have 4 positions now where the players are either going to be on an incline or not decline

Willy (Can improve still)
KP (still far from fully reaching his potential)
Hardaway (25 and had his best year, athletic prime and best year ahead of him)
Ntilikina (A baby by NBA terms, has lots of improvements that can be made).

We need to relax and let Gains, Phil's plans be executed by Mills.
It's not that bad so far.

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:im only happy about this signing if Lee gets dealt and/or Melo gets traded for young players. otherwise i cant help but notice that 35% of our cap goes to two players (THJ and Noah) who arent that good.

ive always liked timmy (beautiful jumper) and im happy to see him play again. but even though hes improved (from awful to below average) on defense, hes still pretty much a one dimensional player. i dont really take defensive stats too seriously since alot depends on the scheme and the players you play with (if i played with schroeder, sefalosha, dwight and millsap, id be a better defensive player too).

again ill take his offense and youth for that price if we get rid of the redundant courtney lee

Derrick rose in bulls was still a bad defender even though he was surrounded by great defensive players

Opponent Per Game Stats 
Rk Team	        G	FG	FGA	FG%▼	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	
1  Lakers	82	41.5	86.0	.483	10.1	27.4	.370	31.4	58.6	.536	
2  Nuggets	82	42.1	88.4	.477	9.9	26.3	.375	32.3	62.1	.519	
3  Timberwolves	82	39.6	83.3	.475	9.9	27.0	.366	29.7	56.3	.528
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18 Knicks	82	39.7	87.4	.455	9.8	28.2	.348	29.9	59.1	.506	

MG22 wrote:How much cap space do we have left after the Hardaway deal?

We have a 4.3 exception I believe

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JeffreyBellone/status/883343571763462144

This stood out to me, "Playing in a better defensive system, THJ numbers improved (drastically)" Do we believe we will have a better defensive system than ATL? Or better yet, an improved system from last yr? I hope so...

Just by losing Rose and Melo the system is already better. Defense is all about everyone buying in.

BRIGGS wrote:Welcome back th.
At this point don't worry about $ and focus on player continuing upswing in play . He's young athletic and a hard worker

Don't focus on the fact we will never be a championship contender because of incompetence in the front office. I'm sorry hard not to focus on that. Other GM's are laughing at this franchise. We are the joke of the entire league. Does this not bother anyone. How do you overpay someone 20 million dollars. How can you be so out of touch with player contracts when your the GM of the team. How do you make a move like this when you don't have a hierarchy in place. If I was a GM no chance in hell Id take this job after this **** contract

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:One thing that will be nice to see if it happens, is that the Knicks for the first time in a long time will have a really young above average athleticism backcourt with Ntilikina/Hardaway. We won't have issues playing a high tempo now.

Yeah. So much BELLYACHING from jaded Knicks fans. They haven't even thought about the NEW CORE and it's possibilities as a unit.

Doesn't mean they will get enough wins right away.
But I rather invest a few years in a Ntilikina/Hardaway backcourt that has an average age of 22.5 and not much NBA experience, meaning that there is possibilty of improved play and results VS

Invest in Teague or Rose or whatever vet PG on a massive contract on his way down, with Lee who while a solid player, gives us an average age of about 30 years with most likely declining production each year.

I don't think fans realize this but we have 4 positions now where the players are either going to be on an incline or not decline

Willy (Can improve still)
KP (still far from fully reaching his potential)
Hardaway (25 and had his best year, athletic prime and best year ahead of him)
Ntilikina (A baby by NBA terms, has lots of improvements that can be made).

We need to relax and let Gains, Phil's plans be executed by Mills.
It's not that bad so far.

This is Mills plan. Phil didn't like Hardaway as a player. Phil probably brings back Rose with some/all of the money given to Tim.

It wouldnt of been 4 years